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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#621 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:46 am

Karanpal wrote:I wouldn't take mane with the 28th pick. Hasn't proven anything and u19 competition is not a good gage. But I would consider him at 58 he has athletic tools that I believe we can develop in the gleague. I hope the raptors actually start using the gleague to develop talent like mane whos young and needs about 2-3 years on the gleague. I know we use the gleague very well to develop older talent but I'm talking about young talent like this. I also like biram Faye I watched him in the u19 and he looked good way better then Amar sylla. Another guy I would try to develop on the gleague of he come out


I got the exact same impression. I think he visited MSU. I wanted to look through his stats but he doesn't really have any. Hard to tell how good a shooter he really is or how strong a defender. He needs seasoning.
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Post#622 » by casual_raps_fan » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:02 am

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HeadtopChunes wrote:Dotson is really growing on me recently

Don't you think his shooting will be a concern?


That is his for sure his biggest weakness, but he is shooting over 80% from the line and makes a fair volume of 3s albeit inefficiently. Plus his jump shot doesn't look broken to me he has a nice quick release that he shoots with confidence off the catch or off the bounce.

Also, our FO seems to be confident in their ability to teach shooting, so if that's his biggest weakness with a good base to build on top of it doesn't scare me. I do find his mindset and defense appealing to our team's culture + his strong driving ability as a ball-handler is something we could use.

I've been watching quite a bit of Devon Dotson footage today and he's starting to grow on me.

My biggest concern which is his shooting looks workable. His shooting percentages aren't great but his stroke looks fine. A pull up three would do wonders for his game.

His driving ability looks really good and would fit the Raptors drive and kick heavy offence. To add to that, he seems to protect the ball well considering how aggressively he plays. These two skills makes me think that he has potential to grow into an NBA level floor general.

He is really tough and has a good motor which bodes well for what Nurse demands from both ends of the floor.

A small concern that came to mind was whether him and Fred can coexist together. I think that's pretty important since that's his only pathway to becoming a starter on the Raptors (unless Fred walks which I think is unlikely). It wouldn't be a deal breaker but it'd be really nice if they can play together. Offensively I think they'd be a nice fit. Defensively is a question mark.

I'll sleep on this thought but right now, I think Dotson is the best attainable guard prospect in the draft. Terry has a unique jumper but everything else is mediocre. Riller scores really well but doesn't project well as a floor general and is not likely to become a good defender. There were other guards I checked out but Dotson's competitiveness stands out of the bunch.
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Post#623 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:34 am

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HeadtopChunes wrote:I don't see it with Elleby, his appeal at the next level would be primarily as a shooter and he did not shoot particularly well

He's taller than Terry but don't see any reason to buy his defense as above average. Terry shot better from everywhere on the field and had a higher creation load (USG%+AST%) on a superior offense w/ a superior handle and AST/TO ratio.

He was a volume shooter on a team that depended on his offense. He shot 82% on his fts throws as that indicates that he can improve on his shooting % with hard work. He scores well from all three levels. Catch and shoot and off of the dribble. Is able to create for others as well as create for himself. He is a clutch player. Has a high basketball IQ.

Demar Derozan is a career 82% ft shooter in the NBA, and one of the hardest workers in the league. His highest ever 3pt% was 33.8%. It's not that simple.

That's not a good analysis since DeMar was never a 3 point shooter in college while CJ Elleby has already shown that he has 3 point range on his jumper in college. CJ is going to be more of a Klay Thompson type of NBA player on both ends of the court...

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Post#624 » by God Squad » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:03 am

Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:
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Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:He was a volume shooter on a team that depended on his offense. He shot 82% on his fts throws as that indicates that he can improve on his shooting % with hard work. He scores well from all three levels. Catch and shoot and off of the dribble. Is able to create for others as well as create for himself. He is a clutch player. Has a high basketball IQ.

Demar Derozan is a career 82% ft shooter in the NBA, and one of the hardest workers in the league. His highest ever 3pt% was 33.8%. It's not that simple.

That's not a good analysis since DeMar was never a 3 point shooter in college while CJ Elleby has already shown that he has 3 point range on his jumper in college. CJ is going to be more of a Klay Thompson type of NBA player on both ends of the court...


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Post#625 » by God Squad » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:05 am

Anyways CJ doesn't look that bad of a prospect to me. I can see the appeal. Honestly, Masai and Bobby earned my trust in the sense that we as a board come up with our consensus top picks in our range. Then Massai and Bobby pick someone many of us didn't know or undersold. In Masai we trust.
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Post#626 » by super_balls » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:11 pm

Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:
Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:He was a volume shooter on a team that depended on his offense. He shot 82% on his fts throws as that indicates that he can improve on his shooting % with hard work. He scores well from all three levels. Catch and shoot and off of the dribble. Is able to create for others as well as create for himself. He is a clutch player. Has a high basketball IQ.

Demar Derozan is a career 82% ft shooter in the NBA, and one of the hardest workers in the league. His highest ever 3pt% was 33.8%. It's not that simple.

That's not a good analysis since DeMar was never a 3 point shooter in college while CJ Elleby has already shown that he has 3 point range on his jumper in college. CJ is going to be more of a Klay Thompson type of NBA player on both ends of the court...



There’s something very stiff about his movements that I don’t like. His game is a little bit forced in a sense. He also makes moves on his heels rather than being quick and smooth on his toes.
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Post#627 » by HeadtopChunes » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:15 pm

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casual_raps_fan wrote:Don't you think his shooting will be a concern?


That is his for sure his biggest weakness, but he is shooting over 80% from the line and makes a fair volume of 3s albeit inefficiently. Plus his jump shot doesn't look broken to me he has a nice quick release that he shoots with confidence off the catch or off the bounce.

Also, our FO seems to be confident in their ability to teach shooting, so if that's his biggest weakness with a good base to build on top of it doesn't scare me. I do find his mindset and defense appealing to our team's culture + his strong driving ability as a ball-handler is something we could use.

I've been watching quite a bit of Devon Dotson footage today and he's starting to grow on me.

My biggest concern which is his shooting looks workable. His shooting percentages aren't great but his stroke looks fine. A pull up three would do wonders for his game.

His driving ability looks really good and would fit the Raptors drive and kick heavy offence. To add to that, he seems to protect the ball well considering how aggressively he plays. These two skills makes me think that he has potential to grow into an NBA level floor general.

He is really tough and has a good motor which bodes well for what Nurse demands from both ends of the floor.

A small concern that came to mind was whether him and Fred can coexist together. I think that's pretty important since that's his only pathway to becoming a starter on the Raptors (unless Fred walks which I think is unlikely). It wouldn't be a deal breaker but it'd be really nice if they can play together. Offensively I think they'd be a nice fit. Defensively is a question mark.

I'll sleep on this thought but right now, I think Dotson is the best attainable guard prospect in the draft. Terry has a unique jumper but everything else is mediocre. Riller scores really well but doesn't project well as a floor general and is not likely to become a good defender. There were other guards I checked out but Dotson's competitiveness stands out of the bunch.


I had a similar thought process as well. Dotson has a lot to like about his game, also checked the advanced stats and he really shines there as well. 10 BPM (15th in the NCAA) and one of the NCAA leaders in PIPM (7th overall in the draft class)

The size is a legit concern I agree, from last year's combine he measured about the same size as Trae Young. Although differences in strength and defensive ability is a pretty big differentiator.

Fit with Fred is interesting, Dotson might already be a better PnR player, definitely a better driver and good passer, so I'd guess in that lineup he would play the on-ball guard more, which isn't a bad thing since Fred is probably maximizing as an off-guard. Offensively, they are different enough where it could work really well.

Defensively those 2 are pretty similar players, Dotson is a strong off-ball defender and pretty good on-ball, Kansas played a very switch-heavy scheme and Dotson excelled. Dotson is a small point guard who compensates with toughness, strength, and smarts but unlike Fred, he's also absurdly fast.

Dotson could also be viewed as a Kyle Lowry replacement instead of a Fred one, given he is 14 years younger than Kyle and 6 years younger than Fred. But I'm not sure if the angry fire hydrant backcourt is something we intend to carry.

Speaking of Lowry, I went back and read some Kyle Lowry scouting reports from 2006, and it's pretty crazy how similar they read to Dotson. Of course, Kyle eventually became one of the best off the dribble 3pt shooters in the league, so IDK if you can project that ceiling but it stood out to me nonetheless.
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Post#628 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:23 pm

I've been sold on Dotson for a while. One of the best finishers through contact I've seen in a few years. Of course he could play with Kyle or Fred, and anyone we draft would be in the "long-term" program anyway.
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Post#629 » by Psubs » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:34 pm

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Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:Demar Derozan is a career 82% ft shooter in the NBA, and one of the hardest workers in the league. His highest ever 3pt% was 33.8%. It's not that simple.

That's not a good analysis since DeMar was never a 3 point shooter in college while CJ Elleby has already shown that he has 3 point range on his jumper in college. CJ is going to be more of a Klay Thompson type of NBA player on both ends of the court...



There’s something very stiff about his movements that I don’t like. His game is a little bit forced in a sense. He also makes moves on his heels rather than being quick and smooth on his toes.


He reminds me of Landry Fields. Good rebounding swingman with a serviceable 3-pt shot. They both also play above average defense. Not the best handles but could be a starter on a non-contender.


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Post#630 » by Psubs » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:44 pm

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casual_raps_fan wrote:
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That is his for sure his biggest weakness, but he is shooting over 80% from the line and makes a fair volume of 3s albeit inefficiently. Plus his jump shot doesn't look broken to me he has a nice quick release that he shoots with confidence off the catch or off the bounce.

Also, our FO seems to be confident in their ability to teach shooting, so if that's his biggest weakness with a good base to build on top of it doesn't scare me. I do find his mindset and defense appealing to our team's culture + his strong driving ability as a ball-handler is something we could use.

I've been watching quite a bit of Devon Dotson footage today and he's starting to grow on me.

My biggest concern which is his shooting looks workable. His shooting percentages aren't great but his stroke looks fine. A pull up three would do wonders for his game.

His driving ability looks really good and would fit the Raptors drive and kick heavy offence. To add to that, he seems to protect the ball well considering how aggressively he plays. These two skills makes me think that he has potential to grow into an NBA level floor general.

He is really tough and has a good motor which bodes well for what Nurse demands from both ends of the floor.

A small concern that came to mind was whether him and Fred can coexist together. I think that's pretty important since that's his only pathway to becoming a starter on the Raptors (unless Fred walks which I think is unlikely). It wouldn't be a deal breaker but it'd be really nice if they can play together. Offensively I think they'd be a nice fit. Defensively is a question mark.

I'll sleep on this thought but right now, I think Dotson is the best attainable guard prospect in the draft. Terry has a unique jumper but everything else is mediocre. Riller scores really well but doesn't project well as a floor general and is not likely to become a good defender. There were other guards I checked out but Dotson's competitiveness stands out of the bunch.


I had a similar thought process as well. Dotson has a lot to like about his game, also checked the advanced stats and he really shines there as well. 10 BPM (15th in the NCAA) and one of the NCAA leaders in PIPM (7th overall in the draft class)

The size is a legit concern I agree, from last year's combine he measured about the same size as Trae Young. Although differences in strength and defensive ability is a pretty big differentiator.

Fit with Fred is interesting, Dotson might already be a better PnR player, definitely a better driver and good passer, so I'd guess in that lineup he would play the on-ball guard more, which isn't a bad thing since Fred is probably maximizing as an off-guard. Offensively, they are different enough where it could work really well.

Defensively those 2 are pretty similar players, Dotson is a strong off-ball defender and pretty good on-ball, Kansas played a very switch-heavy scheme and Dotson excelled. Dotson is a small point guard who compensates with toughness, strength, and smarts but unlike Fred, he's also absurdly fast.

Dotson could also be viewed as a Kyle Lowry replacement instead of a Fred one, given he is 14 years younger than Kyle and 6 years younger than Fred. But I'm not sure if the angry fire hydrant backcourt is something we intend to carry.

Speaking of Lowry, I went back and read some Kyle Lowry scouting reports from 2006, and it's pretty crazy how similar they read to Dotson. Of course, Kyle eventually became one of the best off the dribble 3pt shooters in the league, so IDK if you can project that ceiling but it stood out to me nonetheless.


With the ability to find undrafted guards FVV and TD, I feel that there are so many guards every year that you can find them in the 3rd round. Have them prove themselves in an allstar environment of summer league. If you don't see them being better than FVV nor TD then may as well pass and try and thrift shop.

I feel like Jerryd Bayless is the Mendoza line of combo guards. He was a 1 and done who averaged 19.7ppg, had a 10 year NBA career shooting over 40% (36% from 3), 80% FT and had an A/T over 2. Even if you think they are slightly better than Bayless was, do we really need to spend a pick on them?
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Post#631 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:14 pm

Psubs wrote:
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casual_raps_fan wrote:I've been watching quite a bit of Devon Dotson footage today and he's starting to grow on me.

My biggest concern which is his shooting looks workable. His shooting percentages aren't great but his stroke looks fine. A pull up three would do wonders for his game.

His driving ability looks really good and would fit the Raptors drive and kick heavy offence. To add to that, he seems to protect the ball well considering how aggressively he plays. These two skills makes me think that he has potential to grow into an NBA level floor general.

He is really tough and has a good motor which bodes well for what Nurse demands from both ends of the floor.

A small concern that came to mind was whether him and Fred can coexist together. I think that's pretty important since that's his only pathway to becoming a starter on the Raptors (unless Fred walks which I think is unlikely). It wouldn't be a deal breaker but it'd be really nice if they can play together. Offensively I think they'd be a nice fit. Defensively is a question mark.

I'll sleep on this thought but right now, I think Dotson is the best attainable guard prospect in the draft. Terry has a unique jumper but everything else is mediocre. Riller scores really well but doesn't project well as a floor general and is not likely to become a good defender. There were other guards I checked out but Dotson's competitiveness stands out of the bunch.


I had a similar thought process as well. Dotson has a lot to like about his game, also checked the advanced stats and he really shines there as well. 10 BPM (15th in the NCAA) and one of the NCAA leaders in PIPM (7th overall in the draft class)

The size is a legit concern I agree, from last year's combine he measured about the same size as Trae Young. Although differences in strength and defensive ability is a pretty big differentiator.

Fit with Fred is interesting, Dotson might already be a better PnR player, definitely a better driver and good passer, so I'd guess in that lineup he would play the on-ball guard more, which isn't a bad thing since Fred is probably maximizing as an off-guard. Offensively, they are different enough where it could work really well.

Defensively those 2 are pretty similar players, Dotson is a strong off-ball defender and pretty good on-ball, Kansas played a very switch-heavy scheme and Dotson excelled. Dotson is a small point guard who compensates with toughness, strength, and smarts but unlike Fred, he's also absurdly fast.

Dotson could also be viewed as a Kyle Lowry replacement instead of a Fred one, given he is 14 years younger than Kyle and 6 years younger than Fred. But I'm not sure if the angry fire hydrant backcourt is something we intend to carry.

Speaking of Lowry, I went back and read some Kyle Lowry scouting reports from 2006, and it's pretty crazy how similar they read to Dotson. Of course, Kyle eventually became one of the best off the dribble 3pt shooters in the league, so IDK if you can project that ceiling but it stood out to me nonetheless.


With the ability to find undrafted guards FVV and TD, I feel that there are so many guards every year that you can find them in the 3rd round. Have them prove themselves in an allstar environment of summer league. If you don't see them being better than FVV nor TD then may as well pass and try and thrift shop.

I feel like Jerryd Bayless is the Mendoza line of combo guards. He was a 1 and done who averaged 19.7ppg, had a 10 year NBA career shooting over 40% (36% from 3), 80% FT and had an A/T over 2. Even if you think they are slightly better than Bayless was, do we really need to spend a pick on them?


Sure, the contract control alone is reason to draft them.
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Post#632 » by HeadtopChunes » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:01 pm

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HeadtopChunes wrote:
I had a similar thought process as well. Dotson has a lot to like about his game, also checked the advanced stats and he really shines there as well. 10 BPM (15th in the NCAA) and one of the NCAA leaders in PIPM (7th overall in the draft class)

The size is a legit concern I agree, from last year's combine he measured about the same size as Trae Young. Although differences in strength and defensive ability is a pretty big differentiator.

Fit with Fred is interesting, Dotson might already be a better PnR player, definitely a better driver and good passer, so I'd guess in that lineup he would play the on-ball guard more, which isn't a bad thing since Fred is probably maximizing as an off-guard. Offensively, they are different enough where it could work really well.

Defensively those 2 are pretty similar players, Dotson is a strong off-ball defender and pretty good on-ball, Kansas played a very switch-heavy scheme and Dotson excelled. Dotson is a small point guard who compensates with toughness, strength, and smarts but unlike Fred, he's also absurdly fast.

Dotson could also be viewed as a Kyle Lowry replacement instead of a Fred one, given he is 14 years younger than Kyle and 6 years younger than Fred. But I'm not sure if the angry fire hydrant backcourt is something we intend to carry.

Speaking of Lowry, I went back and read some Kyle Lowry scouting reports from 2006, and it's pretty crazy how similar they read to Dotson. Of course, Kyle eventually became one of the best off the dribble 3pt shooters in the league, so IDK if you can project that ceiling but it stood out to me nonetheless.


With the ability to find undrafted guards FVV and TD, I feel that there are so many guards every year that you can find them in the 3rd round. Have them prove themselves in an allstar environment of summer league. If you don't see them being better than FVV nor TD then may as well pass and try and thrift shop.

I feel like Jerryd Bayless is the Mendoza line of combo guards. He was a 1 and done who averaged 19.7ppg, had a 10 year NBA career shooting over 40% (36% from 3), 80% FT and had an A/T over 2. Even if you think they are slightly better than Bayless was, do we really need to spend a pick on them?


Sure, the contract control alone is reason to draft them.


That and getting 2 undrafted guards to work out in relatively quick succession is impressive but there's no reason to believe its a reliable source of talent.

Anybody who can be a rotation player on a deep playoff team is worth drafting to me and i think Dotson fils that requirement w/ potential for more.
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Post#633 » by Mark_83 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:27 pm

Psubs wrote:
super_balls wrote:
Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:That's not a good analysis since DeMar was never a 3 point shooter in college while CJ Elleby has already shown that he has 3 point range on his jumper in college. CJ is going to be more of a Klay Thompson type of NBA player on both ends of the court...



There’s something very stiff about his movements that I don’t like. His game is a little bit forced in a sense. He also makes moves on his heels rather than being quick and smooth on his toes.


He reminds me of Landry Fields. Good rebounding swingman with a serviceable 3-pt shot. They both also play above average defense. Not the best handles but could be a starter on a non-contender.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fieldla01.html

How dare you insult the next Klay Thompson by comparing him to a non-All Star. :lol:
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Post#634 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:18 pm

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Psubs wrote:
super_balls wrote:
There’s something very stiff about his movements that I don’t like. His game is a little bit forced in a sense. He also makes moves on his heels rather than being quick and smooth on his toes.


He reminds me of Landry Fields. Good rebounding swingman with a serviceable 3-pt shot. They both also play above average defense. Not the best handles but could be a starter on a non-contender.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fieldla01.html

How dare you insult the next Klay Thompson by comparing him to a non-All Star. :lol:

Compare Klay's college highlights to CJ's and then tell me that they don't look very similar as players...

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Post#635 » by Mark_83 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:53 pm

The last few Raptors 1st round picks under Masai were:

Anunoby: 2 blocks, 2 steals, 8.6 rebounds per 40 minutes, 56.3fg% as a Sophomore.

Siakam: 20.3 points 11.6 rebounds, 2.2 blocks, 1 steal, 53.9fg% as an older Sophomore.

Poeltl: 17.2 points, 9.1 rebounds, 1.6 blocks, 646fg% as a Sophomore.

Wright: 14.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, 5.1 assists, 2.1 steals, and 1.0 blocks as an older Senior.

With the exception of Bruno, they were all older, analytics darlings with great numbers and proven defensive chops. So while I doubt Masai does anything formulaic if I were to play the odds I'd be expecting a sophomore (or junior) with good height or wingspan for the position, excellent analytics numbers, hardworking, steady improvement, good character with a solid defensive reputation.

Guys who might fit that criteria:

Aaron Nesmith, SG (Big improvement in Sophomore year, excellent shooter, defensive rep, almost a steal and a half a game).

Devin Vassell, SF (Another Sophomore who made great improvement, shot well, defensive rep, averaged a block and steal a game)

Paul Reed, PF (Junior with all around stats, strong defensive rep: 10 rebounds, 2.6 blocks, and 1.9 steals, 7th in defensive BPM).

Saddiq Bey, SF (Sophomore with excellent shooting and defensive rep, not sure about makeup or athleticism, improved from year 1)

Tyler Bey, SF (Junior with good wingspan and athleticism, high motor, across the board stats, efficient shooting, and defensive rep).

Robert Woodard, SF (Sophomore with good all around stats and defensive rep).

Xavier Tillman, PF/C (In the Delon category as a Senior, high character/work ethic, defensive rep, 8th best college BPM since 2010 ahead of Embiid and Draymond).

Devon Dotson, PG (Sophomore with strong defensive rep and all around numbers, wingspan and shooting will be a knock)

Immanuel Quickley, PG (Don't know much about him, but huge improvement from year 1 and shot it pretty well).

Tre Jones, PG (Sophomore, high character, defensive rep, all around stats, shooting improved, not sure about wingspan).

Jalen Smith, PF (Sophomore, 7th in NCAA BPM, potential rim protector who can shoot, wingspan ok, not sure about makeup).
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Post#636 » by Mark_83 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:00 pm

super_balls wrote:
Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:Demar Derozan is a career 82% ft shooter in the NBA, and one of the hardest workers in the league. His highest ever 3pt% was 33.8%. It's not that simple.

That's not a good analysis since DeMar was never a 3 point shooter in college while CJ Elleby has already shown that he has 3 point range on his jumper in college. CJ is going to be more of a Klay Thompson type of NBA player on both ends of the court...



There’s something very stiff about his movements that I don’t like. His game is a little bit forced in a sense. He also makes moves on his heels rather than being quick and smooth on his toes.

He looks like a chucker, and those don't do well in Toronto. His shot also looks a bit funky like he's sling-shotting it. I think best case is something like Mo Pete or Tayshaun Prince. Best case.
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Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:That's not a good analysis since DeMar was never a 3 point shooter in college while CJ Elleby has already shown that he has 3 point range on his jumper in college. CJ is going to be more of a Klay Thompson type of NBA player on both ends of the court...



There’s something very stiff about his movements that I don’t like. His game is a little bit forced in a sense. He also makes moves on his heels rather than being quick and smooth on his toes.

He looks like a chucker, and those don't do well in Toronto. His shot also looks a bit funky like he's sling-shotting it. I think best case is something like Mo Pete or Tayshaun Prince. Best case.

If you have watched all of the highlight films that I linked up of CJ you would recognize that he gets his shots off within the flow of the offense. He was a volume shooter only because the WSU Cougars depended on his offense so he had to shoot a lot of shots. The Cougars only had Isaac Bonton as their only other consistent double digit scorer on their roster. He's not a chucker but a team player. Not saying that CJ (19 years old) will be as good as Klay but their games have a lot of similarities coming out of college...

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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#638 » by super_balls » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:15 pm

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He reminds me of Landry Fields. Good rebounding swingman with a serviceable 3-pt shot. They both also play above average defense. Not the best handles but could be a starter on a non-contender.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fieldla01.html

How dare you insult the next Klay Thompson by comparing him to a non-All Star. :lol:

Compare Klay's college highlights to CJ's and then tell me that they don't look very similar as players...



Just off the first two shots you can tell Klay’s shooting mechanics are 100 times better. His shot prep and release are so much smoother. Klay has one of the best right-left or left-right steps into shots of all time. He’s way more coordinated than this kid.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#639 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:19 pm

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Mark_83 wrote:How dare you insult the next Klay Thompson by comparing him to a non-All Star. :lol:

Compare Klay's college highlights to CJ's and then tell me that they don't look very similar as players...



Just off the first two shots you can tell Klay’s shooting mechanics are 100 times better. His shot prep and release are so much smoother. Klay has one of the best right-left or left-right steps into shots of all time. He’s way more coordinated than this kid.

I wouldn't go that far as CJ's shooting mechanics are very smooth. They might look a bit funky to you because CJ's a lefty but his shooting form is perfect. His dad Bill Elleby, who taught him to shoot, is one of the all time best 3 point shooters in Pac-12 history.

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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#640 » by Dalek » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:44 pm

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Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:Compare Klay's college highlights to CJ's and then tell me that they don't look very similar as players...



Just off the first two shots you can tell Klay’s shooting mechanics are 100 times better. His shot prep and release are so much smoother. Klay has one of the best right-left or left-right steps into shots of all time. He’s way more coordinated than this kid.

I wouldn't go that far as CJ's shooting mechanics are very smooth. They might look a bit funky to you because CJ's a lefty but his shooting form is perfect. His dad Bill Elleby, who taught him to shoot, is one of the all time best 3 point shooters in Pac-12 history.



Why so much discussion for a kid that shot 34% from three and had a TS% of .519 in the PAC-12 this year?

Klay Thompson finished three years of college at 39% from three, and TS% .574. Plus, Klay's dad was Mychal Thompson, a two time champion and first-overall pick.

Just because Klay Thompson mentors him, it doesn't mean the guy is draft worthy. He himself is only testing the draft to see if anyone takes a chance at him:

“I’m just looking for that team to take a chance on me and believe in my abilities and see some potential in me,” Elleby said. “That’s the main thing is seeing who has interest and seeing if I can slip into that draft.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/wsu-cougar-basketball/wsu-cougars-cj-elleby-will-test-nba-draft-waters/

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