2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[robillionaire]

Tillie has been talked about as first round pick since his first season with Gonzaga but those injuries keep happening on schedule. Big risk if anyone serviceable as a rotation player is available. Needs great medical reports.

yeah i think i'm comfortable taking a gamble with it at 38, worst case you get an injury bust at 38th, best case you get late first round value with an elite shooting big.

there's a few other players who may be there that I like as well such as quickley, nwora

[sol537]

Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind taking two cracks at getting a PG of the future while the other could be groomed to be the first guard off the bench. We're in such a desperate need for quality PG play that it makes sense to go for two quality prospects.

I would consider Killian or Halliburton for the lotto pick and then I'd package the remaining picks, plus a future late pick plus cash to move up to grab Kira Lewis.

[robillionaire]

Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind taking two cracks at getting a PG of the future while the other could be groomed to be the first guard off the bench. We're in such a desperate need for quality PG play that it makes sense to go for two quality prospects.

I would consider Killian or Halliburton for the lotto pick and then I'd package the remaining picks, plus a future late pick plus cash to move up to grab Kira Lewis.

i wouldn't be against taking 2 pgs i wouldn't trade up for one though, maybe someone like tre jones falls to you or some pg that underwhelmed unexpectedly falls to that 27th spot

mannion and maledon have fallen into the 20s on some boards if one is at 27th I could go for it

[HEZI]

If Jennings was 6'7"(instead of 6'1") how good would he have been...?

He would have been the same. The only time size truly matters for a PG is when you are able to move them around to different positions. If you are 6'7" but can't play off the ball, it really doesn't matter that you are 6'7". Lamelo shot 37% from the field in a weak Australian league where Aaron Brooks is an elite player.

Not that I disagree with your perception of Ball. But Aaron Brooks would absolutely COOK most players in college. So I don't see how that's a knock on the Australian league.

Australian league is filled with 30+ year old slow footed not very athletic dudes that have zero shot to ever step foot on an NBA court. For somebody that is supposed to be so good as an NBA top pick, Lamelo really wasn't that good when you look at his efficiency and how terrible his team really was.

[HEZI]

If Jennings was 6'7"(instead of 6'1") how good would he have been...?

He would have been the same. The only time size truly matters for a PG is when you are able to move them around to different positions. If you are 6'7" but can't play off the ball, it really doesn't matter that you are 6'7". Lamelo shot 37% from the field in a weak Australian league where Aaron Brooks is an elite player.

Size can def be a big advantage as a PG in seeing over the defense, using size in the lane, postups, etc. Opens up more passing lanes

PGs don't play with their back to the basket anymore so most of that stuff is irrelevant. It's a faceup game now and those things just don't matter much.

[Deeeez Knicks]

He would have been the same. The only time size truly matters for a PG is when you are able to move them around to different positions. If you are 6'7" but can't play off the ball, it really doesn't matter that you are 6'7". Lamelo shot 37% from the field in a weak Australian league where Aaron Brooks is an elite player.

Size can def be a big advantage as a PG in seeing over the defense, using size in the lane, postups, etc. Opens up more passing lanes

PGs don't play with their back to the basket anymore so most of that stuff is irrelevant. It's a faceup game now and those things just don't matter much.

Forget about postups then. Size can still be a big advantage for pgs. Luka, Simmons, Lebron, etc. It def helps to see the floor and opens up lanes...easier to pass over the defense. Ball at 6'7" def makes him a better prospect then if he was 6'1".

[HEZI]

Size can def be a big advantage as a PG in seeing over the defense, using size in the lane, postups, etc. Opens up more passing lanes

PGs don't play with their back to the basket anymore so most of that stuff is irrelevant. It's a faceup game now and those things just don't matter much.

Forget about postups then. Size can still be a big advantage for pgs. Luka, Simmons, Lebron, etc. It def helps to see the floor and opens up lanes...easier to pass over the defense. Ball at 6'7" def makes him a better prospect then if he was 6'1".

None of those guys are guarded by PGs. They all play forward but with PG duties. No opposing team is putting their PG on those guys so really it doesn't matter.

Lonzo Ball is 6'7"and it means very little. The best NBA PGs are all still mostly under 6'5" so meh the 6'7" stuff is just one of those overrated things people go crazy about just like wingspan

[malik959]

Only small people argue about size matters lol. Jk, but any ways the problem with Melo is he doesn't take advantage of his size. It's like having a ten inch but only loving BBW's, Ok I'm stuck in the house and have been watching too much porn. I'm going to cringe every time we see Melo going against player like Dame, Wesbrook, Paul, Harden, T.Young, Walker, Irving, Murray, Curry, Morant, Fox, and Wall because Melo can not guard them and doesn't use his length to stay in front of them. On the other end of the court the only thing he has going for him is fast breaks and floaters because again he's afraid of the paint and won't use his size to penetrate.

[3toheadmelo]

People on twitter saying the Knicks should take him and form the Canadian backcourt with RJ. Don’t know much about him but he looks good

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[Deeeez Knicks]

PGs don't play with their back to the basket anymore so most of that stuff is irrelevant. It's a faceup game now and those things just don't matter much.

Forget about postups then. Size can still be a big advantage for pgs. Luka, Simmons, Lebron, etc. It def helps to see the floor and opens up lanes...easier to pass over the defense. Ball at 6'7" def makes him a better prospect then if he was 6'1".

None of those guys are guarded by PGs. They all play forward but with PG duties. No opposing team is putting their PG on those guys so really it doesn't matter.

Lonzo Ball is 6'7"and it means very little. The best NBA PGs are all still mostly under 6'5" so meh the 6'7" stuff is just one of those overrated things people go crazy about just like wingspan

Teams switch, trap, help, double, etc. When you get into the lane there are going to be bigs. It's without a doubt an advantage when you have more size. Doesn't mean smaller guys can't be good, or every 6'7" guy is great. Just makes things easier when you have more size with PG skills.

Most 6'7"+ guys dont handle and pass like that though so its one of the reasons you dont see many big PGs. But when they do and have some skills/athletiscm they are often great players...Giannis, Bron, Luka, Simmons, etc. Size + skill is a recipe for success. Can even see it with RJ when he is handling the ball and using his size. He doesnt have that level of passing/handling but can still see how he uses his size at times even as a passer.

Ball can still be a bust and has a lot of work to do. Plenty of players have good length and size and suck. Still needs to learn to use his size better, def needs to increase his efficient, jumper and clean up a lot of things. But I think if he does put it all together his size help gives him a really high ceiling.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Only small people argue about size matters lol. Jk, but any ways the problem with Melo is he doesn't take advantage of his size. It's like having a ten inch but only loving BBW's, Ok I'm stuck in the house and have been watching too much porn. I'm going to cringe every time we see Melo going against player like Dame, Wesbrook, Paul, Harden, T.Young, Walker, Irving, Murray, Curry, Morant, Fox, and Wall because Melo can not guard them and doesn't use his length to stay in front of them. On the other end of the court the only thing he has going for him is fast breaks and floaters because again he's afraid of the paint and won't use his size to penetrate.

A lot of 18/19 year olds still have to learn how to use their size better. Most of them were still growing. Think LaMelo was only 5'10" a few years ago.

[RHODEY]

Only small people argue about size matters lol. Jk, but any ways the problem with Melo is he doesn't take advantage of his size. It's like having a ten inch but only loving BBW's, Ok I'm stuck in the house and have been watching too much porn. I'm going to cringe every time we see Melo going against player like Dame, Wesbrook, Paul, Harden, T.Young, Walker, Irving, Murray, Curry, Morant, Fox, and Wall because Melo can not guard them and doesn't use his length to stay in front of them. On the other end of the court the only thing he has going for him is fast breaks and floaters because again he's afraid of the paint and won't use his size to penetrate.

..But I think it matters a lot if youknow how to use it.

If Jennings were 6'7" -given his other qualities,I think he's would have been a terror on the court.

[HarthorneWingo]

Only small people argue about size matters lol. Jk, but any ways the problem with Melo is he doesn't take advantage of his size. It's like having a ten inch but only loving BBW's, Ok I'm stuck in the house and have been watching too much porn. I'm going to cringe every time we see Melo going against player like Dame, Wesbrook, Paul, Harden, T.Young, Walker, Irving, Murray, Curry, Morant, Fox, and Wall because Melo can not guard them and doesn't use his length to stay in front of them. On the other end of the court the only thing he has going for him is fast breaks and floaters because again he's afraid of the paint and won't use his size to penetrate.

..But I think it matters a lot if youknow how to use it.

If Jennings were 6'7" -given his other qualities,I think he's would have been a terror on the court.

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[robillionaire]

Only small people argue about size matters lol. Jk, but any ways the problem with Melo is he doesn't take advantage of his size. It's like having a ten inch but only loving BBW's, Ok I'm stuck in the house and have been watching too much porn. I'm going to cringe every time we see Melo going against player like Dame, Wesbrook, Paul, Harden, T.Young, Walker, Irving, Murray, Curry, Morant, Fox, and Wall because Melo can not guard them and doesn't use his length to stay in front of them. On the other end of the court the only thing he has going for him is fast breaks and floaters because again he's afraid of the paint and won't use his size to penetrate.

He’s probably not used to his size yet he was like 5’10 a couple years ago went from 5’10 to 6’7 in 2 years and has been constantly playing against bigger players it’s takes time to adjust

[robillionaire]

6’7 Allen Iverson would have been the best player in nba history. Are we really going to sit here and pretend like height and wingspan don’t matter lol

[RHODEY]

6’7 Allen Iverson would have been the best player in nba history. Are we really going to sit here and pretend like height and wingspan don’t matter lol

Yeah probably true at 6'4" too

[thebuzzardman]

Let's just draft the rest of the Canadian national team to play with RJ

[HEZI]

Forget about postups then. Size can still be a big advantage for pgs. Luka, Simmons, Lebron, etc. It def helps to see the floor and opens up lanes...easier to pass over the defense. Ball at 6'7" def makes him a better prospect then if he was 6'1".

None of those guys are guarded by PGs. They all play forward but with PG duties. No opposing team is putting their PG on those guys so really it doesn't matter.

Lonzo Ball is 6'7"and it means very little. The best NBA PGs are all still mostly under 6'5" so meh the 6'7" stuff is just one of those overrated things people go crazy about just like wingspan

Teams switch, trap, help, double, etc. When you get into the lane there are going to be bigs. It's without a doubt an advantage when you have more size. Doesn't mean smaller guys can't be good, or every 6'7" guy is great. Just makes things easier when you have more size with PG skills.

Most 6'7"+ guys dont handle and pass like that though so its one of the reasons you dont see many big PGs. But when they do and have some skills/athletiscm they are often great players...Giannis, Bron, Luka, Simmons, etc. Size + skill is a recipe for success. Can even see it with RJ when he is handling the ball and using his size. He doesnt have that level of passing/handling but can still see how he uses his size at times even as a passer.

Ball can still be a bust and has a lot of work to do. Plenty of players have good length and size and suck. Still needs to learn to use his size better, def needs to increase his efficient, jumper and clean up a lot of things. But I think if he does put it all together his size help gives him a really high ceiling.

Lamelo Ball doesn't compare to any of those guys because he's not like them in any way. And like I said before he can't play off the ball or at another position which restricts you to only playing him at the 1 because he's useless anywhere else which pretty much limits you, unlike with those other guys you brought up who can switch to different positions. Not to mention that with the exception of Doncic, those guys are all good defenders whereas Lamelo just isn't and he's the opposite of it.

Lamelo's height isn't something that intrigues me personally but it's a selling point for a lot of other people though, I'm just not buying it as a difference making attribute.

[HEZI]

6’7 Allen Iverson would have been the best player in nba history. Are we really going to sit here and pretend like height and wingspan don’t matter lol

Ok it's time to put away 2K for a while

The hyperboles are too much now

[spree8]

6’7 Allen Iverson would have been the best player in nba history. Are we really going to sit here and pretend like height and wingspan don’t matter lol

Ehhh, he couldn’t shoot like Mike, or D up like him either... bball IQ, amongst other things..