Political Roundtable Part XXVIII

Post #641 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:37 pm

montestewart wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
montestewart wrote:Trump likely has constitutional expert Rudy Giuliani looking into a president's ability to preemptively pardon himself such that he gets to keep all the loot and cannot be investigated. Alternatively, Trump could resign Jan 19, 2021 (Operation Cut and Run), and Pence could pardon him. Keep an eye on Fox, watch for Jeanine Pirro to float these ideas as perfectly reasonable.

Or just knock off Ginsburg and Kagan and replace them with Kushner and the a4metioned constitutional expert. What election? He could make himself king.

There is not (as far as I know) any law stating a U.S. Supreme Court justice must be a lawyer, count on Trump to say, "there's no law that says a Supreme Court justice has to be a lawyer. Lawyers are the problem. That's why I'm appointing [the most ridiculous choices imaginable, first floating Dennis Rodman and Kanye West before settling on a general and a Russian billionaire, quickly approved by a republican senate]." Drain the swamp!

Yeah, I recall decades ago (I'm old) people suggesting it would be best to have a mixture of people from various walks of life - not just judges from lower courts or even plain old lawyers - in the SC.

payitforward · Post #642 » by **payitforward** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:56 pm

I'd be happy to take the job. Don't need any of the rest of them either. I can do it on my own.

Post #643 » by **Zonkerbl** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:27 pm

ok DON'T FRACKING DRINK OR INJECT BLEACH OK???? Trump you go first, fricking idiot

dobrojim · Post #644 » by **dobrojim** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:46 pm

the rape charge vs Biden was assessed Ruth Marcus (WaPo editorial board)
in a serious and to my mind, balanced way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/15/seriousness-flaws-tara-reades-allegations//

The likelihood of definitive proof one way or another seems frustratingly low. My gut says that what Reade alleges did not happen. My head instructs that it is within the realm of possibility, and fairness requires acknowledging that. And there is another point to bear in mind: Double standards work in both directions. Those who disbelieved and diminished Christine Blasey Ford face the challenge of explaining why they seem so much more eager to credit Tara Reade’s account.

Part of me thinks that the GOP doesn't want to bring this up. Glass houses and such,
but the current GOP is without shame to put it mildly.

In some social media circles I've seen Biden haters claim there is more
history of troubling things than Simply Reade's allegations, which is
worth pointing out, are from 1993.

Wizardspride · Post #645 » by **Wizardspride** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:11 pm

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I_Like_Dirt · Post #646 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:42 am

dobrojim wrote:the rape charge vs Biden was assessed Ruth Marcus (WaPo editorial board)
in a serious and to my mind, balanced way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/15/seriousness-flaws-tara-reades-allegations//

The likelihood of definitive proof one way or another seems frustratingly low. My gut says that what Reade alleges did not happen. My head instructs that it is within the realm of possibility, and fairness requires acknowledging that. And there is another point to bear in mind: Double standards work in both directions. Those who disbelieved and diminished Christine Blasey Ford face the challenge of explaining why they seem so much more eager to credit Tara Reade’s account.

Part of me thinks that the GOP doesn't want to bring this up. Glass houses and such,
but the current GOP is without shame to put it mildly.

In some social media circles I've seen Biden haters claim there is more
history of troubling things than Simply Reade's allegations, which is
worth pointing out, are from 1993.

I don't think it's a particularly winning strategy at this point. I'm sure they'll do it if they have no other options but their targets aren't the same as Dem targets. They don't necessarily want to come across as the one's pushing for women's rights. They could be too easily challenged in a variety of ways on that one, including putting all sorts of bills through the house to support women's rights that would invariably be shot down and cause them problems. Yeah, their base will plug their ears, but still, they want to come across as strong, not weak and herky-jerky in terms of the voters they're trying to either attract or ensure get to the polls.

It's going to be way easier to start swinging at outsiders, which we're seeing already. China is the bad guy. Germany is the bad guy. France is the bad guy. Canada is the bad guy. Russia is just doing what's in their interests and we will challenge them if the time comes, but it really hasn't yet nor is it close. That sort of thing is much easier because you're picking fights that don't automatically fight back at you. Those Hillary/email stuff was anti-establishment. It's harder to play that card when they're the establishment. It can be done but they're not ones for picking difficult jobs. The reality is that the Democrat voter base will care way more about the Biden stuff than the Republican targets will, and it's not like those people will ever vote Trump as the alternative, and they'll still come out in large part because of Trump if that's an issue for them. There's not much to gain and I'm sure polls are telling them that.

Pointgod · Post #647 » by **Pointgod** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:11 am

gtn130 wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
gtn130 wrote:If Trump is seriously worried about losing the election he will have Barr announce some type of investigation into Biden. If Biden somehow wins the election, Trump will say it's rigged and tell everyone he's still President, they need to do a recount, and the DOJ and Republicans will support him.

No it’s going to be Hunter Biden, Migrant Caravans (remember those? Lol) again. Trump is not subtle or calculating at all. If there was anything to investigate Joe Biden about he would already floated in the right wing media. Just like those idiots screamed Clinton Foundation, Benghazi over and over again Hunter Biden is the new talking point.

Isn't Biden literally being accused of sexual assault? Seems like there are plenty of things Trump could drum up when push comes to shove. None of it even has to be true, but if there is any thread of truth to it, that's a nice bonus for Trump!

I do think this election is a lot different for Trump than 2018 because it's do or die for him. There is no scenario in which he quietly leaves office when he will be facing extreme legal exposure that the office shields him from. He is not too stupid to see this.

I've always found it extremely troubling how recklessly corrupt Trump and Kushner are. Not because of the corruption on its face but because I don't see a plausible end game here that makes any sense other than Trump staying in office for life. Any Democrat administration can easily investigate and prosecute a bottomless well of Trump's crimes and he surely understands that.

There's not much point in doing all of these personal enrichment crimes unless you can keep the money.

Trump’s not opening the sexual assault door on Biden. Besides 1 allegation against 20 and bragging about it on tape? There’s something that’s not sitting right with the Reade accusation. If you read the Conservative outlets the focus is on the supposed media silence about the accusation, not necessarily a focus on Biden. Anyone of these Conservative outlets has the resources to reach out to Reade and interview her while verifying her sources. It’s almost like they themselves have doubts. The attacks are going to be Hunter Biden and “tough on China” bull.

As for Trump and Kushner they’ve lived a life committing fraud and getting away with it. Why would they stop now that Trump has what used to be the most powerful position in the world. I think it’s hubris plain and simple, they also believe their Republican sychopants in government and billionaires are going to protect them. They’re in for a rude awakening if they lose. That’s why if Biden wins, I hope he unleashes the full power of the government on them and investigates every single last one of those scumbags for all the crimes they’ve committed.

dckingsfan · Post #648 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:55 pm

Interesting poll - younger folks seem to be coming around...

https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/21/endorsements-biden-younger-voters/

dckingsfan · Post #649 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:58 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:ok DON'T FRACKING DRINK OR INJECT BLEACH OK???? Trump you go first, fricking idiot

And now the double speak that he was just being sarcastic. Too late - lots of 911 calls across the US due to this knucklehead.

Our POTUS the unfettered idiot.

Pointgod · Post #650 » by **Pointgod** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:09 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Interesting poll - younger folks seem to be coming around...

https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/21/endorsements-biden-younger-voters/

The kids are alright

Pointgod · Post #651 » by **Pointgod** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:52 pm

New poll out regarding the VP nom. I think the results are interesting to say the least. Biden-Warren ticket does well with Progressives but also is the top with African Americans.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-running-mate-poll_n_5ea2476ac5b6d376358ca3b6

Sanders supporters said they were more likely to support Biden for president against Republican Donald Trump if he chose the progressive senator as his running mate, beating out Harris in second, followed by Klobuchar, Abrams and Whitmer. Sixty-one percent of Sanders voters said they would be more likely to support Biden if Warren is the nominee, while just 9% say it would make them less likely to back the former vice president.

Though some operatives have argued Biden should select either Harris or Abrams to solidify his hold on Black voters and increase turnout in key cities like Detroit, Philadelphia and Milwaukee, the survey indicates Black voters are actually more excited about a Biden-Warren ticket, though a Biden-Harris ticket also performs well.

Lmao at this quote from the piece.

“The overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters would be thrilled by a Warren Vice Presidential pick, the rest have Twitter accounts,”

dckingsfan · Post #652 » by **dckingsfan** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:28 am

Pointgod wrote:
“The overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters would be thrilled by a Warren Vice Presidential pick, the rest have Twitter accounts,”

Classic... what a description.

Wizardspride · Post #653 » by **Wizardspride** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:26 pm

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Pointgod · Post #654 » by **Pointgod** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:41 pm

Wizardspride wrote:

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I love the real Governor of Georgia, but I’m finding it a harder and harder to make a case for her over other candidates considering she’s never held statewide office or had years of experience in Congress. There’s a Senate seat in Georgia that needs to turn blue and it has her name on it.

bsilver · Post #655 » by **bsilver** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:35 pm

It’s a national disgrace that farmers are having to destroy so much food. They are going broke, and food banks are running low.
Finally, last week the US Department of Agriculture announced a $19 billion plan to buy up the food for distribution to food banks and other programs. But a great amount of unnecessary damage has been done. And it will still be a month until deliveries start.

USDA knew this was going to happen at least a month before the program was announced, but did nothing. It was obvious that the commercial food market was drying up. It's their job to know this and there's a 100% chance they were aware of the situation. There were already existing programs for USDA to buy up excess food for distribution to food banks, so it is not something new for them.
All the bad publicity finally spurred action, but the situation was entirely avoidable. The only question is where to place the blame. Was it entirely USDA, or did they make the White House aware and it was a WH decision to do nothing.