ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion

[michaelm]

Jordan was Great but his competitiveness was super overrated. Truly competitive people don't retire in their Prime because they get tired of winning. The truly competitive relish stomping their opponents face in the mud and love doing so as long as they can.

For example, Alexander the Great supposedly wept after he seemingly conquered everything because there was nothing left to do. He didn't retire after his campaign when it was only 70% done because he was tired of conquering.

Call me when one of today's "stars" refuses to milk an injury and insists on returning at all costs..... In a lost season. AND actually plays competitive ball with college kids behind his teams back when he's supposed to be resting.

Players now are anti competitive. They find any little reason to not play and the fans buy in hook, line and sinker. It's disgusting.

But ok. MJs competitiveness is overrated

Not sure why you are bringing up current players, they have nothing to do with the discussion.

The simple truth is that Ultra Competitive people don't retire mid prime because they are tired of dominating. Avoiding competition while you can still perform is the opposite of competitive

You seem to ignore that he returned and led a second threepeat.

[KyletheDingbat]

Did anyone else get affected by how much joy MJ got in Pax hitting that game winning shot in Indiana? My first reaction was to laugh, cause it's so humorously endearing to see how much MJ loves winning. That game was over 30 years ago, Jordan wasn't even in the play, and yet he looks as happy as a grandfather at his granddaughter's wedding recounting that shot. But the more I've thought about it, the more inspiring I've found that reaction. Jordan was the real deal. The glitz and glamour is a byproduct, but the soul of the man is honest: you value winning above all else, and it's about the team not the individual.

It was also enlightening to see the difference between MJ and Phil regarding Pippen's surgery.

I've been fascinated by this doc so far.

[The Rodzilla]

THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? The media already stated that MJ was criticized for not winning. HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED THE DOC? The papers were all over it. I didn't know that there are people as dense as you are.

the doc is a Jordan vanity piece and there is no criticism of him it in, its like when north korea does a documentary on kim jong un

you dont have to watch any of it, i didnt watch "Tiger King" and could care less that everyone else did. There is an abundance of Movies/TV to watch today, do what makes you happy. This doc seems to give you the reaction a baby gets when it first tries a lemon.

i am correct to have a reaction like that though, the Jordan fans have a reaction like they are gay and the documentary is a gay pornography video

Warning. Find a less offensive metaphor please.

[BigShaq34]

Seen 6 episodes already. The doc focuses a lot on the first 3 peat as well, not just that 98 season.

I forgot Big Pun's song was the biggest hit in 98 lol. Dennis was wild with his parties.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Are the future eps as good as 1 and 2?

[phanman]

Are the future eps as good as 1 and 2?

They are all really good. I binged the 6 leaked ones last night. My personal favourite is the next one as it focuses on Rodman.

They are back up on torrent sites but it is going to be torture if the last two don't leak and I have to wait 3 weeks for it. Quality is good, and other than a timer in the top right and a couple watermarks it's legit.

Then again I'm planning on rewatching it as airs live, so MJ forever.

[SlimD235]

Listen to Dan Patrick show with Reggie Miller. It'll address "Jordan's competitiveness is overrated"

I didn't know Reggie hated Jordan to this day. But it's refreshing take on playing against Jordan while admiring him and hating him at the same time.

Watch on YouTube

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[AirJordan213]

Are the future eps as good as 1 and 2?

They are all really good. I binged the 6 leaked ones last night. My personal favourite is the next one as it focuses on Rodman.

They are back up on torrent sites but it is going to be torture if the last two don't leak and I have to wait 3 weeks for it. Quality is good, and other than a timer in the top right and a couple watermarks it's legit.

Then again I'm planning on rewatching it as airs live, so MJ forever.

Looking forward to watching Rodman’s resurgence with the Bulls. He had such a tough upbringing but persevered and became one of the best defenders in the league with the Pistons. He fell off with the Spurs and was erratic at times and detrimental to the team, when the Bulls picked him up most insiders thought it was a bad move and would result in a circus with the clash of personalities, instead they won 3 championships with Dennis being a big part of their success.

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

I feel there's too much hype for a documentary that really offers nothing new. To me it's been bland, boring and repetitive. Also, just hours of just **** on Krause..

[phanman]

I feel there's too much hype for a documentary that really offers nothing new. To me it's been bland, boring and repetitive. Also, just hours of just **** on Krause..

I think a big selling point/interest of the documentary is to educate the younger fan base and provide them with the opportunity to see/realize how great MJ really was. The guy made his NBA debut(1984) 36 years ago, won his first ring 29 years ago and won his last one 22 years ago. The age group of guys that were able to truly witness his era and appreciate him are now 40+.

Obviously as basketball junkies we don't necessarily have to watch him live to appreciate his greatness, but the vast majority of NBA fans nowadays just didn't get that opportunity. To put it into perspective the oldest player in the NBA this season was Vince Carter. He was born in 1977, meaning he was only 7 years old when MJ was a rookie. I mean LeBron James wasn't even born yet.

Also with the shutdown of all sports in general, I can't believe people are really complaining about new NBA content.

[michaelm]

the doc is a Jordan vanity piece and there is no criticism of him it in, its like when north korea does a documentary on kim jong un

you dont have to watch any of it, i didnt watch "Tiger King" and could care less that everyone else did. There is an abundance of Movies/TV to watch today, do what makes you happy. This doc seems to give you the reaction a baby gets when it first tries a lemon.

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i am correct to have a reaction like that though, the Jordan fans have a reaction like they are gay and the documentary is a gay pornography video

Warning. Find a less offensive metaphor please.

You should be grateful, the NBA wouldn’t be the major sport it is now with the level of interest and coverage it has now, and LeBron himself would likely be less of a household name and probably not a billionaire without Jordan having blazed the trail and having all those fans, with fans of his pretty similar in attitude to fans of LeBron’s from my observations. I suspect neither fan base in the main has your apparent familiarity (not that there is anything wrong with that) with the particular variety of porn you mention.

[TheFinishSniper]

Are the future eps as good as 1 and 2?

Next two are my favorites. But rest of them all have moments. I will also add many of this episodes are directed and put in way where they are made to be watched as one prolonged episode. So 2 and 3 go together well. Same as did one and two. It was definitely in plan for them to released by 2 each week.

[13th Man]

Seen 6 episodes already. The doc focuses a lot on the first 3 peat as well, not just that 98 season.

I forgot Big Pun's song was the biggest hit in 98 lol. Dennis was wild with his parties.

I have the 8 episodes downloaded but am holding off from watching them in advance. Think I'll watch Ep 3 + 4 with a high school buddy tomorrow evening as its being broadcasted.

Don't want to get into a situation where I have to wait a month to finish off the series.

[13th Man]

Love this series btw, how they go back and forth between current and old. I laughed when Scott Pippen was drafted.

[Ree4erMadness]

I feel there's too much hype for a documentary that really offers nothing new. To me it's been bland, boring and repetitive. Also, just hours of just **** on Krause..

I think a big selling point/interest of the documentary is to educate the younger fan base and provide them with the opportunity to see/realize how great MJ really was. The guy made his NBA debut(1984) 36 years ago, won his first ring 29 years ago and won his last one 22 years ago. The age group of guys that were able to truly witness his era and appreciate him are now 40+.

Obviously as basketball junkies we don't necessarily have to watch him live to appreciate his greatness, but the vast majority of NBA fans nowadays just didn't get that opportunity. To put it into perspective the oldest player in the NBA this season was Vince Carter. He was born in 1977, meaning he was only 7 years old when MJ was a rookie. I mean LeBron James wasn't even born yet.

Also with the shutdown of all sports in general, I can't believe people are really complaining about new NBA content.

Well put.

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

I feel there's too much hype for a documentary that really offers nothing new. To me it's been bland, boring and repetitive. Also, just hours of just **** on Krause..

I think a big selling point/interest of the documentary is to educate the younger fan base and provide them with the opportunity to see/realize how great MJ really was. The guy made his NBA debut(1984) 36 years ago, won his first ring 29 years ago and won his last one 22 years ago. The age group of guys that were able to truly witness his era and appreciate him are now 40+.

Obviously as basketball junkies we don't necessarily have to watch him live to appreciate his greatness, but the vast majority of NBA fans nowadays just didn't get that opportunity. To put it into perspective the oldest player in the NBA this season was Vince Carter. He was born in 1977, meaning he was only 7 years old when MJ was a rookie. I mean LeBron James wasn't even born yet.

Also with the shutdown of all sports in general, I can't believe people are really complaining about new NBA content.

I understand why it was released. It's obvious.
My opinion is also obviously that of a Basketball Junkie. My comment alluded to the fact that it isn't really new content. Also, I believe the majority of people watching it to be aware of what has been shown in the videos and catching snippets or the story already. I'm pretty sure that the audience of the show aren't people who have limited knowledge of the issue. Hence, why I deem it to be over-hyped.

Also, content for entertainment is meant to be critiqued. How do you not get that?

[AirJordan213]

As basketball fans this documentary is awesome. Yes we know the story already, but it’s nice to relive it. The documentary also does a nice job of jumping back and forth between time and connecting the dots. It’s about the greatest player and greatest dynasty in the history of our game, how can any sports fan not like it? Solid entertainment during this pandemic.

[MrPerfect1]

Call me when one of today's "stars" refuses to milk an injury and insists on returning at all costs..... In a lost season. AND actually plays competitive ball with college kids behind his teams back when he's supposed to be resting.

Players now are anti competitive. They find any little reason to not play and the fans buy in hook, line and sinker. It's disgusting.

But ok. MJs competitiveness is overrated

Not sure why you are bringing up current players, they have nothing to do with the discussion.

The simple truth is that Ultra Competitive people don't retire mid prime because they are tired of dominating. Avoiding competition while you can still perform is the opposite of competitive

are you saying that Michael Jordan was not ultra competitive?

Yes. You cannot be Ultra Competitive if you would rather quit than Compete against the Best while you are still capable of competing. Ultra Competitive people don't get tired of Dominating

**If people think that playing against Minor Leaguers is as competitive as playing in the NBA as the 3x Defending Champ, then I couldn't disagree more.

[michaelm]

Not sure why you are bringing up current players, they have nothing to do with the discussion.

The simple truth is that Ultra Competitive people don't retire mid prime because they are tired of dominating. Avoiding competition while you can still perform is the opposite of competitive

are you saying that Michael Jordan was not ultra competitive?

Yes. You cannot be Ultra Competitive if you would rather quit than Compete against the Best while you are still capable of competing. Ultra Competitive people don't get tired of Dominating

**If people think that playing against Minor Leaguers is as competitive as playing in the NBA as the 3x Defending Champ, then I couldn't disagree more.

You obviously have an extensive dossier on how highly elite ultra competitive athletes respond to having a parent murdered in a roadside shooting.

And again you ignore that he returned to lead a second threepeat.

[Dominator83]

Not sure why you are bringing up current players, they have nothing to do with the discussion.

The simple truth is that Ultra Competitive people don't retire mid prime because they are tired of dominating. Avoiding competition while you can still perform is the opposite of competitive

are you saying that Michael Jordan was not ultra competitive?

Yes. You cannot be Ultra Competitive if you would rather quit than Compete against the Best while you are still capable of competing. Ultra Competitive people don't get tired of Dominating

**If people think that playing against Minor Leaguers is as competitive as playing in the NBA as the 3x Defending Champ, then I couldn't disagree more.

It's competitive when you leave your comfort zone to try and be good at something that your far less comfortable with. That's even MORE competitive IMO than guys who don't wanna leave their comfort zone to take on a new, tougher challenge.

And as mentioned, your leaving out the part where after he failed in baseball, he did come back to the NBA and have 3 more championship seasons. And lol at playing against minor leaguers isn't competitive. His goal was to be a major League player. When he realized that wasn't going to happen after giving it his best shot for 2 years, he came back to dominating just like he was before he left