Grade the 2020 Packers Draft
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This draft really looks like a power play to me. Rodgers has declined over the last couple years. In general, he and the media (and us) have clamored for weapons for him. By doing this we're indirectly blaming his decline on Gute for not getting guys that can get separation. Well Gute disagrees, and said eff you A-Rod, we're doing it my way. Deepest WR class in history and we didn't pick one.
Clearly Gute and MLF wanted A-Rod to know who's boss.
Will be interesting to see how A-Rod takes it. He's clearly still got the ability to be a top 5 QB, whether he will or not is tbd.
As for Love, he seems like a good guy and he clearly he has an arm. But he's a long way from being an NFL quarterback. I'd put his odds of being a 10 year starter at about 10-20%.
The rest our draft was crap too. A no cut RB from the 70s(John Brockington maybe) in the second round and a blocking HB in the 3rd? Wow.
Grades - short term F. Long term, a small but real chance of success.
Clearly Gute and MLF wanted A-Rod to know who's boss.
Will be interesting to see how A-Rod takes it. He's clearly still got the ability to be a top 5 QB, whether he will or not is tbd.
As for Love, he seems like a good guy and he clearly he has an arm. But he's a long way from being an NFL quarterback. I'd put his odds of being a 10 year starter at about 10-20%.
The rest our draft was crap too. A no cut RB from the 70s(John Brockington maybe) in the second round and a blocking HB in the 3rd? Wow.
Grades - short term F. Long term, a small but real chance of success.
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I'll give it a D for now.
Just felt like board value management was off by a good margin. This grade obviously gets much better if Love pans out.
My main issues are the same as many, mostly where we pulled the trigger on our Day 2 guys. Clearly they thought they were making the correct value picks, but I would have gambled on Dillon lasting (at least) another round and figuring out another way to secure Deguara. They both seem like good players that add new elements to our offense, which is great, but I think we left some talent on the board there on Day 2 that we likely could have taken advantage of and still secured at least Dillon.
Love/Jones/Dillon and then trying to secure Deguara or another H-Back type would have looked better to me.
Adding nice depth on Day 3 was fine by me, although no WR was hilarious. Peoples-Jones would have been great value late that would have improved my grade.
Time will tell, and these guys are Packers now, so I hope they are awesome.
Just felt like board value management was off by a good margin. This grade obviously gets much better if Love pans out.
My main issues are the same as many, mostly where we pulled the trigger on our Day 2 guys. Clearly they thought they were making the correct value picks, but I would have gambled on Dillon lasting (at least) another round and figuring out another way to secure Deguara. They both seem like good players that add new elements to our offense, which is great, but I think we left some talent on the board there on Day 2 that we likely could have taken advantage of and still secured at least Dillon.
Love/Jones/Dillon and then trying to secure Deguara or another H-Back type would have looked better to me.
Adding nice depth on Day 3 was fine by me, although no WR was hilarious. Peoples-Jones would have been great value late that would have improved my grade.
Time will tell, and these guys are Packers now, so I hope they are awesome.
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CWoodfan wrote:Hard to grade a draft when you don't really understand what the Packer organization is doing.
Philosophical change offensively. Remember the McCarthy offense? Go exact the opposite. Look at what the Niners did offensively. We are going to have a LOT of 12 personnel.
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Farrar's grade:
D-
This grade is based less on the quality of the players the Packers picked up than it is an indictment of the overall philosophy. Last season, Green Bay went 13-3 with a receiver group that had very little going for it beyond Davante Adams, and general manager Brian Gutekunst and head coach Matt LaFleur didn’t take a single receiver in what was one of the deepest drafts at that position in NFL history. Moreover, Green Bay took Utah State quarterback Jordan Love with the 26th overall pick, despite the fact that Love is a serious developmental prospect. This is a team in the last years of the Aaron Rodgers era, and Rodgers still has a lot on the ball. Not only did the Packers not do anything to help him, they seemed to go out of their way to antagonize their best player. It’s difficult to understand the logic here.
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Yeah there are going to be quite a few FAs out there after preseason.Mags FTW wrote:Like I said in the draft thread, there isn't room in the league for all the WRs drafted. Vets will be cut to make room and save money, and that's when we need to swoop in.
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Ha, this is like the third 2021 Mock I've read this hour. One of them had Micah Parsons slide past the Packers in the 20s. If that happened I'd personally burn Lambeau to the ground. He's my 3rd best prospect in the class.
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F, I give it a solid F. Also, I don’t believe Love will pan out as a good starter. We will see though.
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Looks like we're building a Jim Harbaugh 49ers offence. Love reminds me a lot of Colin Kaepernick
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It's a C from me. Mostly because I wasn't a fan of the value proposition for some of these picks.
Love was a huge swing by Gute. And I credit him for the stones for that pick, as I have zero doubt he knew he was putting an expiration date on his career by making that move. He must have felt so strongly about Love's potential that I cannot blame him for picking his guy. It's his draft. He owns it. If I was in his shoes, and I felt like Jordan Love was the heir apparent, and I knew that I was going to be **** if I didn't get this right no matter WHO I picked, I'd rather swing for the fences anyway. Ride or die with your guy.
And that's clearly what drove his board overall. Dillon and Deguara were considered reaches, but he clearly went with who he wanted over playing the value game. The other guys are all relative crap shoots, but I do love getting some more OL depth.
It remains to be seen, of course. Either Gute will look like a genius or he'll look like a clown. If it's the latter, the tank train will be on sooner rather than later.
Love was a huge swing by Gute. And I credit him for the stones for that pick, as I have zero doubt he knew he was putting an expiration date on his career by making that move. He must have felt so strongly about Love's potential that I cannot blame him for picking his guy. It's his draft. He owns it. If I was in his shoes, and I felt like Jordan Love was the heir apparent, and I knew that I was going to be **** if I didn't get this right no matter WHO I picked, I'd rather swing for the fences anyway. Ride or die with your guy.
And that's clearly what drove his board overall. Dillon and Deguara were considered reaches, but he clearly went with who he wanted over playing the value game. The other guys are all relative crap shoots, but I do love getting some more OL depth.
It remains to be seen, of course. Either Gute will look like a genius or he'll look like a clown. If it's the latter, the tank train will be on sooner rather than later.
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It remains to be seen, of course. Either Gute will look like a genius or he'll look like a clown. If it's the latter, the tank train will be on sooner rather than later.
I think it's not only Gute on the line. Murphy and LaFleur had to bless the complete shift of philosophy and roster plan. If the plan succeeds, they will deservedly look like geniuses, as you said. If the plan fails, Murphy likely retires and Gute and LaFleur get sacked.
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Day one: A
Day two: D+
Day three: B-
Love was my guy and I’m exhilarated that he’s ours. Would’ve gone A+ if they didn’t have to trade up.
Day 2 was ok in that we addressed specific needs, I just don’t see two very dynamic players. I do like that we added an h-back type tight end as I feel we could’ve used one for a long time, just don’t know enough about him to make a super informed opinion.
Day three seems solid from a team building stand point.
All in all, I feel like this is a draft to plug holes for a year or two from now which is generally how smart gms operate. While I admit a high end receiver would’ve been nice, it’s clear to me that they pretty much let their board do it’s thing.
It’s funny to me how every fan who believes himself smarter than your average Joe will tell you always draft BPA and not for specific needs until your team actually does it. I spent a lot of time screen capping texts and tweets and can’t wait to throw it back in people’s faces in a couple years.
Day two: D+
Day three: B-
Love was my guy and I’m exhilarated that he’s ours. Would’ve gone A+ if they didn’t have to trade up.
Day 2 was ok in that we addressed specific needs, I just don’t see two very dynamic players. I do like that we added an h-back type tight end as I feel we could’ve used one for a long time, just don’t know enough about him to make a super informed opinion.
Day three seems solid from a team building stand point.
All in all, I feel like this is a draft to plug holes for a year or two from now which is generally how smart gms operate. While I admit a high end receiver would’ve been nice, it’s clear to me that they pretty much let their board do it’s thing.
It’s funny to me how every fan who believes himself smarter than your average Joe will tell you always draft BPA and not for specific needs until your team actually does it. I spent a lot of time screen capping texts and tweets and can’t wait to throw it back in people’s faces in a couple years.
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Profound23 wrote:Random Viking fan jumped in to give us an A?
I picked C just because I wanted Love....and the later rounds might deliver some worthy offensive lineman.
this made me laugh as a Vikes fan. maybe Gute hired ex tpups gm/guru David Kahn as a draft consultant? my hunch though is he was actually hired by chicago. the Bears currently have 10 TE’s. sounds very david kahn-like to me.
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I have a sneaky feeling we send an interior ol and a something pick for OBJ.
I needs shades for this future thing we owning.....
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jakecronus8 wrote:Day one: A
Day two: D+
Day three: B-
Love was my guy and I’m exhilarated that he’s ours. Would’ve gone A+ if they didn’t have to trade up.
Day 2 was ok in that we addressed specific needs, I just don’t see two very dynamic players. I do like that we added an h-back type tight end as I feel we could’ve used one for a long time, just don’t know enough about him to make a super informed opinion.
Day three seems solid from a team building stand point.
All in all, I feel like this is a draft to plug holes for a year or two from now which is generally how smart gms operate. While I admit a high end receiver would’ve been nice, it’s clear to me that they pretty much let their board do it’s thing.
It’s funny to me how every fan who believes himself smarter than your average Joe will tell you always draft BPA and not for specific needs until your team actually does it. I spent a lot of time screen capping texts and tweets and can’t wait to throw it back in people’s faces in a couple years.
I agree. If AJ Dillon and Josiah Deguara were truly at the top of their boards at those picks, which I believe they were (at least on MLF's board) I have no issue with that at all, they got their guy. The issue for me is weighing your board versus league intel, consensus projections, etc. Which, maybe some other super savvy team was licking their chops for Dillon and we felt we had to grab him. Who knows. Felt like bad value though, as far as taking advantage of other teams go.
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RiotPunch wrote:jakecronus8 wrote:Day one: A
Day two: D+
Day three: B-
Love was my guy and I’m exhilarated that he’s ours. Would’ve gone A+ if they didn’t have to trade up.
Day 2 was ok in that we addressed specific needs, I just don’t see two very dynamic players. I do like that we added an h-back type tight end as I feel we could’ve used one for a long time, just don’t know enough about him to make a super informed opinion.
Day three seems solid from a team building stand point.
All in all, I feel like this is a draft to plug holes for a year or two from now which is generally how smart gms operate. While I admit a high end receiver would’ve been nice, it’s clear to me that they pretty much let their board do it’s thing.
It’s funny to me how every fan who believes himself smarter than your average Joe will tell you always draft BPA and not for specific needs until your team actually does it. I spent a lot of time screen capping texts and tweets and can’t wait to throw it back in people’s faces in a couple years.
I agree. If AJ Dillon and Josiah Deguara were truly at the top of their boards at those picks, which I believe they were (at least on MLF's board) I have no issue with that at all, they got their guy. The issue for me is weighing your board versus league intel, consensus projections, etc. Which, maybe some other super savvy team was licking their chops for Dillon and we felt we had to grab him. Who knows. Felt like bad value though, as far as taking advantage of other teams go.
One of my pet peeves is when fans are grading a draft class and give a certain pick a bad grade because they were allegedly over drafted. You can’t have this mentality that every team’s board is identical to Kiper, McShay or whatever other pretend expert you love. Every year there’s dozens of guys picked 3-4 rounds later than almighty Mel had them graded. If they were valued that high they’d be picked that high.
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There is not a single player they selected that I'm excited about being a packer. Love is a good choice for a different team. Dillon will probably produce at least as a league-average running back, though he won't play much in yr. 1. Deguara is a huge reach. they picked 3 interior offensive lineman who are OK value (well, compared to the rest of their draft, anyway). I like Scott, but I'd take the under on him being on the field for more than 20 plays from scrimmage during the season, barring serious injuries to multiple players. Garvin will probably never be in the rotation (again barring injuries to others).
Green Bay does some weird things in the draft, but I can't justify anything this year. And not selecting a WR is criminal.
Green Bay does some weird things in the draft, but I can't justify anything this year. And not selecting a WR is criminal.
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jakecronus8 wrote:RiotPunch wrote:jakecronus8 wrote:Day one: A
Day two: D+
Day three: B-
Love was my guy and I’m exhilarated that he’s ours. Would’ve gone A+ if they didn’t have to trade up.
Day 2 was ok in that we addressed specific needs, I just don’t see two very dynamic players. I do like that we added an h-back type tight end as I feel we could’ve used one for a long time, just don’t know enough about him to make a super informed opinion.
Day three seems solid from a team building stand point.
All in all, I feel like this is a draft to plug holes for a year or two from now which is generally how smart gms operate. While I admit a high end receiver would’ve been nice, it’s clear to me that they pretty much let their board do it’s thing.
It’s funny to me how every fan who believes himself smarter than your average Joe will tell you always draft BPA and not for specific needs until your team actually does it. I spent a lot of time screen capping texts and tweets and can’t wait to throw it back in people’s faces in a couple years.
I agree. If AJ Dillon and Josiah Deguara were truly at the top of their boards at those picks, which I believe they were (at least on MLF's board) I have no issue with that at all, they got their guy. The issue for me is weighing your board versus league intel, consensus projections, etc. Which, maybe some other super savvy team was licking their chops for Dillon and we felt we had to grab him. Who knows. Felt like bad value though, as far as taking advantage of other teams go.
One of my pet peeves is when fans are grading a draft class and give a certain pick a bad grade because they were allegedly over drafted. You can’t have this mentality that every team’s board is identical to Kiper, McShay or whatever other pretend expert you love. Every year there’s dozens of guys picked 3-4 rounds later than almighty Mel had them graded. If they were valued that high they’d be picked that high.
When the NFL doesn't invite a guy to the combine or consider them more than a "priority free agent" and we draft them in rounds 3 and 5, yeah, you can say our team screwed the pooch.
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I don't really dislike any of the individual players but using 1-4 round draft capital on a QB, RB, and HBack is a wild move. T, DL, and WR were underserved.
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