OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[dice]

Trump did not show up at the daily briefing today. He was quoted as saying it may not be "worth his time" to continue appearing at them. Which is humorous considering what else he does with his time. The NYT reported yesterday that according to WH sources, Trump often doesn't show up until noon, after spending the whole morning "rage watching" what the news stations are saying about him.

It's very concerning that in the midst of a crisis of this magnitude, the president is more concerned with monitoring his popularity than he is in steering us out of this storm.

not just more concerned. almost if not entirely concerned. and it's about the economy, which was his calling card until this crisis. what is the minimum attention that needs to be paid to the public health in order to get through the worst of it while minimizing damage to the stock market...

[coldfish]

The only way out of this is to stay quarantined until testing is damn near unlimited.

we should be testing 500K daily, but...

-by mid-march we were still barely off the ground w/ testing
-ramped up to around 100K per day by end of march
-as of a week ago we were only at 150K

at this rate it'll take us until the end of september to get to where we should already be

Not sure what happened but within the last few days we tested 300k a few times. Fauci said that it should go up dramatically from there within a few weeks.

Between that and the shipment of rapid testing, I think our capacity for testing nationally is going to go through the roof by June 1.

Based on everything I have seen, Germany has done the best with this out of all the large western nations. They brought this under control with testing and it looks like the US will have greater than their testing capacity per capita relatively soon. The other part is contact tracing. I don't see the federal government doing anything there but some states are.

Overall, between improved testing and better weather, I expect things to go the right direction in the US very soon. If you follow the hospitalization rates, we have already had massive improvement.

[Dresden]

The only way out of this is to stay quarantined until testing is damn near unlimited.

we should be testing 500K daily, but...

-by mid-march we were still barely off the ground w/ testing
-ramped up to around 100K per day by end of march
-as of a week ago we were only at 150K

at this rate it'll take us until the end of september to get to where we should already be

Not sure what happened but within the last few days we tested 300k a few times. Fauci said that it should go up dramatically from there within a few weeks.

Between that and the shipment of rapid testing, I think our capacity for testing nationally is going to go through the roof by June 1.

Based on everything I have seen, Germany has done the best with this out of all the large western nations. They brought this under control with testing and it looks like the US will have greater than their testing capacity per capita relatively soon. The other part is contact tracing. I don't see the federal government doing anything there but some states are.

Overall, between improved testing and better weather, I expect things to go the right direction in the US very soon. If you follow the hospitalization rates, we have already had massive improvement.

That is good news, but I'll believe it when I see it. We've been told more testing was imminent for weeks now.

[Dresden]

USA already over 54k dead. The last couple of days have been the highest reported new daily cases with over 35k each day (nearly 40k on Friday). Deaths are still averaging over 2000 per day. Like I said earlier in this thread staying under 60k is not even remotely possible. In fact, we're going to blow right past 60k in the next few days and 100k by the end of May (unless some miracle cure/treatment is found in the next couple of weeks).

Yeah, it's looking that way. A lot of models show that deaths should dramatically taper off in May though, but that is assuming we remained in shutdown mode. With more states opening things up that could get pushed out now.

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[Dresden]

No, that shouldn't raise any eyebrows. Green font.

[transplant]

Trump did not show up at the daily briefing today. He was quoted as saying it may not be "worth his time" to continue appearing at them. Which is humorous considering what else he does with his time. The NYT reported yesterday that according to WH sources, Trump often doesn't show up until noon, after spending the whole morning "rage watching" what the news stations are saying about him.

It's very concerning that in the midst of a crisis of this magnitude, the president is more concerned with monitoring his popularity than he is in steering us out of this storm.

I've been asking for Trump to delegate the daily Covid press conferences to others so I'm not going to criticize him for this. You can bet that he was advised that he was doing himself more political harm than good.

I am not concerned about whether this President is working hard. If he slept 24-7, I'd be good with it.

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[Nikola]

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Interesting take from Doctors against continuing the lockdown.

[AKfanatic]

Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus ‘cure’ wrote to Trump this week

The leader of the most prominent group in the US peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach as a “miracle cure” for coronavirus wrote to Donald Trump at the White House this week.
In his letter, Mark Grenon told Trump that chlorine dioxide – a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk – is “a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body”. He added that it “can rid the body of Covid-19”.

Grenon styles himself as “archbishop” of Genesis II – a Florida-based outfit that claims to be a church but which in fact is the largest producer and distributor of chlorine dioxide bleach as a “miracle cure” in the US. He brands the chemical as MMS, “miracle mineral solution”, and claims fraudulently that it can cure 99% of all illnesses including cancer, malaria, HIV/Aids as well as autism.
Since the start of the pandemic, Genesis II has been marketing MMS as a cure to coronavirus. It advises users, including children, to mix three to six drops of bleach in water and drink it.
In his weekly televised radio show, posted online on Sunday, Grenon read out the letter he wrote to Trump. He said it began: “Dear Mr President, I am praying you read this letter and intervene.”

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Interesting take from Doctors against continuing the lockdown.

There’s plenty out there to show why their “interesting take” is seriously flawed... but this small twitter thread sums some of it up nicely.

There’s a reason their “interesting take” has been making the rounds and being echoed by a group with a specific political leaning....

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[dice]

Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus ‘cure’ wrote to Trump this week

The leader of the most prominent group in the US peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach as a “miracle cure” for coronavirus wrote to Donald Trump at the White House this week.
In his letter, Mark Grenon told Trump that chlorine dioxide – a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk – is “a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body”. He added that it “can rid the body of Covid-19”.

Grenon styles himself as “archbishop” of Genesis II – a Florida-based outfit that claims to be a church but which in fact is the largest producer and distributor of chlorine dioxide bleach as a “miracle cure” in the US. He brands the chemical as MMS, “miracle mineral solution”, and claims fraudulently that it can cure 99% of all illnesses including cancer, malaria, HIV/Aids as well as autism.
Since the start of the pandemic, Genesis II has been marketing MMS as a cure to coronavirus. It advises users, including children, to mix three to six drops of bleach in water and drink it.
In his weekly televised radio show, posted online on Sunday, Grenon read out the letter he wrote to Trump. He said it began: “Dear Mr President, I am praying you read this letter and intervene.”

republican governor of maryland was on tv today saying that the state has received hundreds of calls from residents asking whether disinfectants are suitable treatment

[AKfanatic]

So I had a regular follow-up appointment with my Doc today.... but have been feeling like crap since Thursday (cough, cold chills, sore like I just ran a marathon, and the last couple days, trouble keeping my balance) and wanted to call to see if they’d prefer I reschedule.

Apparently I need to go in for a test in the next couple hours, after I get a ride. Fingers crossed this is something else as I’ve done everything right, wearing of mask, no unnecessary trips out, keeping away from people). I’m a bit concerned because I’ve never felt quite like this or had some of these symptoms.

Will update when updates come.

[Dresden]

So I had a regular follow-up appointment with my Doc today.... but have been feeling like crap since Thursday (cough, cold chills, sore like I just ran a marathon, and the last couple days, trouble keeping my balance) and wanted to call to see if they’d prefer I reschedule.

Apparently I need to go in for a test in the next couple hours, after I get a ride. Fingers crossed this is something else as I’ve done everything right, wearing of mask, no unnecessary trips out, keeping away from people). I’m a bit concerned because I’ve never felt quite like this or had some of these symptoms.

Will update when updates come.

It's good you're getting tested. Hope you come out negative.

[Dresden]

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It will be a real bummer if immunity doesn't come with infection. Other corona viruses work that way, and most are assuming COVID 19 will be the same, They have not been able to prove that yet, that's why they say there is no evidence. The cases of re-infection are certainly concerning though.

[Dresden]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/coronavirus-antibody-tests.html?action=click&algo=identity&auth=login-email&fellback=false&imp_id=366336412&imp_id=672922954&login=email&module=Science%20%20Technology&pgtype=Homepage

For the past few weeks, more than 50 scientists have been working diligently to do something that the Food and Drug Administration mostly has not: Verifying that 14 coronavirus antibody tests now on the market actually deliver accurate results.
These tests are crucial to reopening the economy, but public health experts have raised urgent concerns about their quality.

The new research, completed just days ago and posted online Friday, confirmed some of those fears: Of the 14 tests, only three delivered consistently reliable results. Even the best had some flaws.
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“Those numbers are just unacceptable,” said Scott Hensley, a microbiologist at the University of Pennsylvania. “The tone of the paper is, ‘Look how good the tests are.’ But I look at these data, and I don’t really see that.”

The proportion of people in the United States who have been exposed to the coronavirus is likely to be 5 percent or less, Dr. Hensley said. “If your kit has a 3 percent false-positive, how do you interpret that? It’s basically impossible,” he said. “If your kit has 14 percent false positive, it’s useless.”

[Payt10]

It will be a real bummer if immunity doesn't come with infection. Other corona viruses work that way, and most are assuming COVID 19 will be the same, They have not been able to prove that yet, that's why they say there is no evidence. The cases of re-infection are certainly concerning though.

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I would trust my next door neighbor's advice before I trust anything this corrupt POS organization says about anything related to the coronavirus.

Faulty testing is likely the result of these anecdotal "second infection" stories you see pop up from time to time. Historically speaking, it would be inconceivable to think we wouldn't get some kind of immunity for a period of time after being infected.

[Chi town]

Bay Area on lock down through May now.

[Dresden]

It will be a real bummer if immunity doesn't come with infection. Other corona viruses work that way, and most are assuming COVID 19 will be the same, They have not been able to prove that yet, that's why they say there is no evidence. The cases of re-infection are certainly concerning though.

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I would trust my next door neighbor's advice before I trust anything this corrupt POS organization says about anything related to the coronavirus.

Faulty testing is likely the result of these anecdotal "second infection" stories you see pop up from time to time. Historically speaking, it would be inconceivable to think we wouldn't get some kind of immunity for a period of time after being infected.

Yes, well its a good thing Trump didn't pay any attention to them when they announced on Jan. 30th:

"For all of these reasons, I am declaring a public health emergency of international concern over the global outbreak of novel coronavirus."