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Here is a clip of Chris Finke, the undrafted WR we signed. At only 5-9, he's clearly just a slot receiver. He ran a disappointing 40 at the Combine (4.57) as some scouts had expected him to be a 4.4 guy (the sweep at the 1:38 mark certainly looks faster than a 4.57 guy). But he showed his explosiveness with a 40 inch vertical, far better than the much more touted WR's like Jeudy (35) and Lamb (34.5). He's probably a longshot to make our roster unless Taylor and/or Hurd are still not fully healthy. He can also return punts.
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Bald Bull wrote:I think Salvon Ahmed is making this team. He looks like he could thrive in our system.
I agree, but he lacks power needed (necessary to break tackles) to be a consistent threat in the running game. McKinnon, if he regains his pre injury form, will cause Ahmed to go on the practice squad. But I’m rooting for both of our undrafted RBs this year.
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I like Lynch nabbing Hokit as a savvy and understated move by him. Fresno had no Pro day so Lynch gambled Hokit would be a UDFA and almost lost. Word is Buffalo almost took him. SF grabbed Hokit over 8 other teams.
Juszczyk has the 7th highest cap hold on the Niners at 6.7M. Let’s compare.
Juszczyk is 6’ 1” as is Hokit
Juice is 240 while Hokit is 225. But one needs to keep in mind Hokit was a D1 2X All-American Wrestler so adding weight was a problem to compete in wrestling. I expect Hokit to be able to add weight.
A wrestling background is also a great background for football and you have to know leverage and have strong hands. Both great attributes in a fullback. Lorenzo Neal had a very similiar background as Hokit. We shall see if he can add the weight but I would guess he at least makes the practice squad, spends a year adding weight and then takes over for Juice opening up a lot of cap space.
Here are his highlights. Lots of running over people.
Juszczyk has the 7th highest cap hold on the Niners at 6.7M. Let’s compare.
Juszczyk is 6’ 1” as is Hokit
Juice is 240 while Hokit is 225. But one needs to keep in mind Hokit was a D1 2X All-American Wrestler so adding weight was a problem to compete in wrestling. I expect Hokit to be able to add weight.
A wrestling background is also a great background for football and you have to know leverage and have strong hands. Both great attributes in a fullback. Lorenzo Neal had a very similiar background as Hokit. We shall see if he can add the weight but I would guess he at least makes the practice squad, spends a year adding weight and then takes over for Juice opening up a lot of cap space.
Here are his highlights. Lots of running over people.
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Sactowndog wrote:I like Lynch nabbing Hokit as a savvy and understated move by him. Fresno had no Pro day so Lynch gambled Hokit would be a UDFA and almost lost. Word is Buffalo almost took him. SF grabbed Hokit over 8 other teams.
Juszczyk has the 7th highest cap hold on the Niners at 6.7M. Let’s compare.
Juszczyk is 6’ 1” as is Hokit
Juice is 240 while Hokit is 225. But one needs to keep in mind Hokit was a D1 2X All-American Wrestler so adding weight was a problem to compete in wrestling. I expect Hokit to be able to add weight.
A wrestling background is also a great background for football and you have to know leverage and have strong hands. Both great attributes in a fullback. Lorenzo Neal had a very similiar background as Hokit. We shall see if he can add the weight but I would guess he at least makes the practice squad, spends a year adding weight and then takes over for Juice opening up a lot of cap space.
Here are his highlights. Lots of running over people.
You would have to be one helluva blocker as well as the ability to run and catch passes to replace what Juice brings to the lineup. Outside of Kittle, a good argument could be made that Juice is our most valuable offensive player. His blocking is what makes our running attack so potent. I don't see that type of blocking on the attached clip.
The only 40 I can find on Hokit is 4.87 while Juice ran a 4.71. If Hokit can gain an additional 25 pounds, I fear that his lack of footspeed will only be a bigger problem; it's unlikely that he can gain that much weight and still get faster. Juice ran a 6.93 in the cone drill. I can't find a cone drill time for Hokit but would assume he should be quicker given his lighter weight; but given the big difference in 40 times I'm not confident Hokit is any quicker in short distances.
If Hokit can be as good as Juice, it would be difficult to keep that a secret from the league for a whole year; Juice is a unicorn in today's NFL and astute coaches and GM's are starting to realize that.
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Juszczyk really is an elite physical talent for the position. At his pro day, he weighed in at 248, posted a 4.71 40, but more impressively, a 37" vertical, 10' 1" broad, 4.19 short shuttle, and 6.93 three-cone. Those would be solid numbers for a WR. Could be that fast Harvard track though....
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Samurai wrote:Sactowndog wrote:I like Lynch nabbing Hokit as a savvy and understated move by him. Fresno had no Pro day so Lynch gambled Hokit would be a UDFA and almost lost. Word is Buffalo almost took him. SF grabbed Hokit over 8 other teams.
Juszczyk has the 7th highest cap hold on the Niners at 6.7M. Let’s compare.
Juszczyk is 6’ 1” as is Hokit
Juice is 240 while Hokit is 225. But one needs to keep in mind Hokit was a D1 2X All-American Wrestler so adding weight was a problem to compete in wrestling. I expect Hokit to be able to add weight.
A wrestling background is also a great background for football and you have to know leverage and have strong hands. Both great attributes in a fullback. Lorenzo Neal had a very similiar background as Hokit. We shall see if he can add the weight but I would guess he at least makes the practice squad, spends a year adding weight and then takes over for Juice opening up a lot of cap space.
Here are his highlights. Lots of running over people.
You would have to be one helluva blocker as well as the ability to run and catch passes to replace what Juice brings to the lineup. Outside of Kittle, a good argument could be made that Juice is our most valuable offensive player. His blocking is what makes our running attack so potent. I don't see that type of blocking on the attached clip.
The only 40 I can find on Hokit is 4.87 while Juice ran a 4.71. If Hokit can gain an additional 25 pounds, I fear that his lack of footspeed will only be a bigger problem; it's unlikely that he can gain that much weight and still get faster. Juice ran a 6.93 in the cone drill. I can't find a cone drill time for Hokit but would assume he should be quicker given his lighter weight; but given the big difference in 40 times I'm not confident Hokit is any quicker in short distances.
If Hokit can be as good as Juice, it would be difficult to keep that a secret from the league for a whole year; Juice is a unicorn in today's NFL and astute coaches and GM's are starting to realize that.
Hokit has good hands but you didn’t see him block because he was splitting time at back. I would be shocked if he doesn’t block well given his love of contact. I also don’t think you become a 2 time NCAA D1 All American wrestler without being able to get in on people.
As for his 40 time I agree he likely isn’t as fast a Juice. But as Barrow of the Atlantic said, “The 49ers put on a virtual full-court press to get him to Santa Clara with Shanahan and John Lynch among those who called him in the run-up to the draft.” I doubt they do go to this extent without him being in their plans.
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So now that the draft is in the books, I've cooled down a bit. I still have pretty serious misgivings about passing on Wirfs, but if they had Kinlaw as clearly the better prospect, I can understand it. That said, Shanahan's comments about loving DL does not make me feel very good. Interior DL just doesn't have the impact of other positions. Now, if we passed on one of the WRs and truly ended up with a guy we feel was as good, fine. But missing out on a tackle with elite movement skills and several years of very good college production just as our generational LT is retiring is risky.
The saving grace, of course, is the Trent Williams trade. The FO played this one perfectly, waiting for the market to dry up and getting a pro bowl OT on the cheap. Of course, we'll have to extend him or we'll be in a bind again next year, so there's a price there, but even if he walks, we probably recoup a third-round comp pick - we'll just be screwed. It was extremely risky. If they had missed out on Williams, we didn't have a plan B. But it worked out, so good for them.
Because of the lack of second day picks, I didn't hang on every pick on the second and third days this year and thus didn't have the same growing sense of outrage as they passed, and passed, and passed, on CBs. I'm not quite as worked up about the DB position in general (last year at this time it wasn't clear if Moore would stick at CB or move to FS) this year as I was last year, but I am still very concerned about it. CB play in particular tends to be pretty inconsistent from one year to the next. That's part of what makes a guy like Sherman so special: he has been able to maintain excellence season in and season out. Even a great player like Patrick Peterson has fallen off at times. There is a very good chance that Williams or Moseley will regress next year. To say nothing of Witherspoon, who I'm not sure we can have any faith in.
In terms of the actual picks we made, positional value aside, I like both players. Kinlaw carries a fair bit of risk IMO, as he's awfully raw, but he's also got incredible upside. He could be dominant at times in the SEC despite really not having a developed game at all. He just beat people up. Get him in an NFL conditioning program, with Kocurek working with him every day, and sky is the limit for the kid.
Aiyuk has an intriguing skillset in this offense. He's got some similarities to Samuel, but I think he's more explosive and a bit more refined as a route runner (based on a pretty limited sample size that I have seen, admittedly). I really don't love giving up a fourth and a fifth to get him, especially as I'm pretty confident he would have been there at 31, but if he pans out it will be worth it. It's just that recurring thing of Shanahan falling in love with a player and throwing value out the window in the pursuit of that one guy. But if Aiyuk proves to be as good or better than Lamb, then great, 'cause Lamb probably would have been my pick at 13 if I'd been going WR.
I don't have much opinion at all on the OT and TE. I'm fine with the positional selections, again, beyond just ignoring the CB position. No real thoughts on the specific players, though I'm hopeful that Woerner can have a bit of Kittle in him and show better as a receiver in the pros than in college (no, I'm not expecting him to be anywhere near the player that Kittle is). His testing numbers were tolerable, particularly the jumps, though he's got T-Rex arms and was 0-5 on contested balls last year.
Juaun Jennings is an interesting prospect in the 7th. I'm not expecting big things at all, and odds are good he ends up on the practice squad if that. But his measurables and scouting report remind me a lot of Kelvin Harmon, who some had going as high as the second or third round but dropped to the sixth last year after an awful combine (though not, it must be said, as bad as Jennings', whose 40 and vertical were both in the second percentile for WRs). In the final seven games, Harmon averaged three receptions for a little over 40 yards per game for Washington after being a sixth-round pick.
The saving grace, of course, is the Trent Williams trade. The FO played this one perfectly, waiting for the market to dry up and getting a pro bowl OT on the cheap. Of course, we'll have to extend him or we'll be in a bind again next year, so there's a price there, but even if he walks, we probably recoup a third-round comp pick - we'll just be screwed. It was extremely risky. If they had missed out on Williams, we didn't have a plan B. But it worked out, so good for them.
Because of the lack of second day picks, I didn't hang on every pick on the second and third days this year and thus didn't have the same growing sense of outrage as they passed, and passed, and passed, on CBs. I'm not quite as worked up about the DB position in general (last year at this time it wasn't clear if Moore would stick at CB or move to FS) this year as I was last year, but I am still very concerned about it. CB play in particular tends to be pretty inconsistent from one year to the next. That's part of what makes a guy like Sherman so special: he has been able to maintain excellence season in and season out. Even a great player like Patrick Peterson has fallen off at times. There is a very good chance that Williams or Moseley will regress next year. To say nothing of Witherspoon, who I'm not sure we can have any faith in.
In terms of the actual picks we made, positional value aside, I like both players. Kinlaw carries a fair bit of risk IMO, as he's awfully raw, but he's also got incredible upside. He could be dominant at times in the SEC despite really not having a developed game at all. He just beat people up. Get him in an NFL conditioning program, with Kocurek working with him every day, and sky is the limit for the kid.
Aiyuk has an intriguing skillset in this offense. He's got some similarities to Samuel, but I think he's more explosive and a bit more refined as a route runner (based on a pretty limited sample size that I have seen, admittedly). I really don't love giving up a fourth and a fifth to get him, especially as I'm pretty confident he would have been there at 31, but if he pans out it will be worth it. It's just that recurring thing of Shanahan falling in love with a player and throwing value out the window in the pursuit of that one guy. But if Aiyuk proves to be as good or better than Lamb, then great, 'cause Lamb probably would have been my pick at 13 if I'd been going WR.
I don't have much opinion at all on the OT and TE. I'm fine with the positional selections, again, beyond just ignoring the CB position. No real thoughts on the specific players, though I'm hopeful that Woerner can have a bit of Kittle in him and show better as a receiver in the pros than in college (no, I'm not expecting him to be anywhere near the player that Kittle is). His testing numbers were tolerable, particularly the jumps, though he's got T-Rex arms and was 0-5 on contested balls last year.
Juaun Jennings is an interesting prospect in the 7th. I'm not expecting big things at all, and odds are good he ends up on the practice squad if that. But his measurables and scouting report remind me a lot of Kelvin Harmon, who some had going as high as the second or third round but dropped to the sixth last year after an awful combine (though not, it must be said, as bad as Jennings', whose 40 and vertical were both in the second percentile for WRs). In the final seven games, Harmon averaged three receptions for a little over 40 yards per game for Washington after being a sixth-round pick.
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CrimsonCrew wrote:So now that the draft is in the books, I've cooled down a bit. I still have pretty serious misgivings about passing on Wirfs, but if they had Kinlaw as clearly the better prospect, I can understand it. That said, Shanahan's comments about loving DL does not make me feel very good. Interior DL just doesn't have the impact of other positions. Now, if we passed on one of the WRs and truly ended up with a guy we feel was as good, fine. But missing out on a tackle with elite movement skills and several years of very good college production just as our generational LT is retiring is risky.
The saving grace, of course, is the Trent Williams trade. The FO played this one perfectly, waiting for the market to dry up and getting a pro bowl OT on the cheap. Of course, we'll have to extend him or we'll be in a bind again next year, so there's a price there, but even if he walks, we probably recoup a third-round comp pick - we'll just be screwed. It was extremely risky. If they had missed out on Williams, we didn't have a plan B. But it worked out, so good for them.
Because of the lack of second day picks, I didn't hang on every pick on the second and third days this year and thus didn't have the same growing sense of outrage as they passed, and passed, and passed, on CBs. I'm not quite as worked up about the DB position in general (last year at this time it wasn't clear if Moore would stick at CB or move to FS) this year as I was last year, but I am still very concerned about it. CB play in particular tends to be pretty inconsistent from one year to the next. That's part of what makes a guy like Sherman so special: he has been able to maintain excellence season in and season out. Even a great player like Patrick Peterson has fallen off at times. There is a very good chance that Williams or Moseley will regress next year. To say nothing of Witherspoon, who I'm not sure we can have any faith in.
In terms of the actual picks we made, positional value aside, I like both players. Kinlaw carries a fair bit of risk IMO, as he's awfully raw, but he's also got incredible upside. He could be dominant at times in the SEC despite really not having a developed game at all. He just beat people up. Get him in an NFL conditioning program, with Kocurek working with him every day, and sky is the limit for the kid.
Aiyuk has an intriguing skillset in this offense. He's got some similarities to Samuel, but I think he's more explosive and a bit more refined as a route runner (based on a pretty limited sample size that I have seen, admittedly). I really don't love giving up a fourth and a fifth to get him, especially as I'm pretty confident he would have been there at 31, but if he pans out it will be worth it. It's just that recurring thing of Shanahan falling in love with a player and throwing value out the window in the pursuit of that one guy. But if Aiyuk proves to be as good or better than Lamb, then great, 'cause Lamb probably would have been my pick at 13 if I'd been going WR.
I don't have much opinion at all on the OT and TE. I'm fine with the positional selections, again, beyond just ignoring the CB position. No real thoughts on the specific players, though I'm hopeful that Woerner can have a bit of Kittle in him and show better as a receiver in the pros than in college (no, I'm not expecting him to be anywhere near the player that Kittle is). His testing numbers were tolerable, particularly the jumps, though he's got T-Rex arms and was 0-5 on contested balls last year.
Juaun Jennings is an interesting prospect in the 7th. I'm not expecting big things at all, and odds are good he ends up on the practice squad if that. But his measurables and scouting report remind me a lot of Kelvin Harmon, who some had going as high as the second or third round but dropped to the sixth last year after an awful combine (though not, it must be said, as bad as Jennings', whose 40 and vertical were both in the second percentile for WRs). In the final seven games, Harmon averaged three receptions for a little over 40 yards per game for Washington after being a sixth-round pick.
I came away happy with the draft - what salvaged it was us acquiring Trent Williams. What we gave up is almost a good of a move in comparison to what the Cardinals gave up for Hopkins.
I really don’t like the Aiyuk pick for various some of which are the same reasons that Crimson wrote about several days ago. Deebo Samuel showed us last year how tough and physical he is to bring down. The only receivers that brings that same exact has physicality when the ball is in their hands is Shenault and Antonio Gibson. Aiyuk is definitely more elusive than Samuel but I don’t agree with the notion that he’s the best YAC receiver in the class. Other than the stats anyone can see that Shenault is much more dangerous than he is (reverse / jet sweeps / bubble screens etc.).
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Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:So now that the draft is in the books, I've cooled down a bit. I still have pretty serious misgivings about passing on Wirfs, but if they had Kinlaw as clearly the better prospect, I can understand it. That said, Shanahan's comments about loving DL does not make me feel very good. Interior DL just doesn't have the impact of other positions. Now, if we passed on one of the WRs and truly ended up with a guy we feel was as good, fine. But missing out on a tackle with elite movement skills and several years of very good college production just as our generational LT is retiring is risky.
The saving grace, of course, is the Trent Williams trade. The FO played this one perfectly, waiting for the market to dry up and getting a pro bowl OT on the cheap. Of course, we'll have to extend him or we'll be in a bind again next year, so there's a price there, but even if he walks, we probably recoup a third-round comp pick - we'll just be screwed. It was extremely risky. If they had missed out on Williams, we didn't have a plan B. But it worked out, so good for them.
Because of the lack of second day picks, I didn't hang on every pick on the second and third days this year and thus didn't have the same growing sense of outrage as they passed, and passed, and passed, on CBs. I'm not quite as worked up about the DB position in general (last year at this time it wasn't clear if Moore would stick at CB or move to FS) this year as I was last year, but I am still very concerned about it. CB play in particular tends to be pretty inconsistent from one year to the next. That's part of what makes a guy like Sherman so special: he has been able to maintain excellence season in and season out. Even a great player like Patrick Peterson has fallen off at times. There is a very good chance that Williams or Moseley will regress next year. To say nothing of Witherspoon, who I'm not sure we can have any faith in.
In terms of the actual picks we made, positional value aside, I like both players. Kinlaw carries a fair bit of risk IMO, as he's awfully raw, but he's also got incredible upside. He could be dominant at times in the SEC despite really not having a developed game at all. He just beat people up. Get him in an NFL conditioning program, with Kocurek working with him every day, and sky is the limit for the kid.
Aiyuk has an intriguing skillset in this offense. He's got some similarities to Samuel, but I think he's more explosive and a bit more refined as a route runner (based on a pretty limited sample size that I have seen, admittedly). I really don't love giving up a fourth and a fifth to get him, especially as I'm pretty confident he would have been there at 31, but if he pans out it will be worth it. It's just that recurring thing of Shanahan falling in love with a player and throwing value out the window in the pursuit of that one guy. But if Aiyuk proves to be as good or better than Lamb, then great, 'cause Lamb probably would have been my pick at 13 if I'd been going WR.
I don't have much opinion at all on the OT and TE. I'm fine with the positional selections, again, beyond just ignoring the CB position. No real thoughts on the specific players, though I'm hopeful that Woerner can have a bit of Kittle in him and show better as a receiver in the pros than in college (no, I'm not expecting him to be anywhere near the player that Kittle is). His testing numbers were tolerable, particularly the jumps, though he's got T-Rex arms and was 0-5 on contested balls last year.
Juaun Jennings is an interesting prospect in the 7th. I'm not expecting big things at all, and odds are good he ends up on the practice squad if that. But his measurables and scouting report remind me a lot of Kelvin Harmon, who some had going as high as the second or third round but dropped to the sixth last year after an awful combine (though not, it must be said, as bad as Jennings', whose 40 and vertical were both in the second percentile for WRs). In the final seven games, Harmon averaged three receptions for a little over 40 yards per game for Washington after being a sixth-round pick.
I came away happy with the draft - what salvaged it was us acquiring Trent Williams. What we gave up is almost a good of a move in comparison to what the Cardinals gave up for Hopkins.
I really don’t like the Aiyuk pick for various some of which are the same reasons that Crimson wrote about several days ago. Deebo Samuel showed us last year how tough and physical he is to bring down. The only receivers that brings that same exact has physicality when the ball is in their hands is Shenault and Antonio Gibson. Aiyuk is definitely more elusive than Samuel but I don’t agree with the notion that he’s the best YAC receiver in the class. Other than the stats anyone can see that Shenault is much more dangerous than he is (reverse / jet sweeps / bubble screens etc.).
YAC in the Pac-12 aren't YAC in the SEC, no doubt, so I get the hesitancy on Aiyuk. Though that applies to Shenault as well. Re: Shenault, I didn't get around to watching him myself for some reason. The issues with Shenault in my eyes - based primarily on reading/listening to scouting reports - is that he's basically a Samuel clone, and he's got a physical style combined with a pretty significant injury history. That's why he fell the way he did. I'm not confident he can stay healthy in the NFL given the way he plays. Aiyuk is also similar to Samuel in some ways, but from the brief highlights I've seen of both guys, Aiyuk looks faster and smoother to me. Granted he's also not as big.
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CrimsonCrew wrote:Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:So now that the draft is in the books, I've cooled down a bit. I still have pretty serious misgivings about passing on Wirfs, but if they had Kinlaw as clearly the better prospect, I can understand it. That said, Shanahan's comments about loving DL does not make me feel very good. Interior DL just doesn't have the impact of other positions. Now, if we passed on one of the WRs and truly ended up with a guy we feel was as good, fine. But missing out on a tackle with elite movement skills and several years of very good college production just as our generational LT is retiring is risky.
The saving grace, of course, is the Trent Williams trade. The FO played this one perfectly, waiting for the market to dry up and getting a pro bowl OT on the cheap. Of course, we'll have to extend him or we'll be in a bind again next year, so there's a price there, but even if he walks, we probably recoup a third-round comp pick - we'll just be screwed. It was extremely risky. If they had missed out on Williams, we didn't have a plan B. But it worked out, so good for them.
Because of the lack of second day picks, I didn't hang on every pick on the second and third days this year and thus didn't have the same growing sense of outrage as they passed, and passed, and passed, on CBs. I'm not quite as worked up about the DB position in general (last year at this time it wasn't clear if Moore would stick at CB or move to FS) this year as I was last year, but I am still very concerned about it. CB play in particular tends to be pretty inconsistent from one year to the next. That's part of what makes a guy like Sherman so special: he has been able to maintain excellence season in and season out. Even a great player like Patrick Peterson has fallen off at times. There is a very good chance that Williams or Moseley will regress next year. To say nothing of Witherspoon, who I'm not sure we can have any faith in.
In terms of the actual picks we made, positional value aside, I like both players. Kinlaw carries a fair bit of risk IMO, as he's awfully raw, but he's also got incredible upside. He could be dominant at times in the SEC despite really not having a developed game at all. He just beat people up. Get him in an NFL conditioning program, with Kocurek working with him every day, and sky is the limit for the kid.
Aiyuk has an intriguing skillset in this offense. He's got some similarities to Samuel, but I think he's more explosive and a bit more refined as a route runner (based on a pretty limited sample size that I have seen, admittedly). I really don't love giving up a fourth and a fifth to get him, especially as I'm pretty confident he would have been there at 31, but if he pans out it will be worth it. It's just that recurring thing of Shanahan falling in love with a player and throwing value out the window in the pursuit of that one guy. But if Aiyuk proves to be as good or better than Lamb, then great, 'cause Lamb probably would have been my pick at 13 if I'd been going WR.
I don't have much opinion at all on the OT and TE. I'm fine with the positional selections, again, beyond just ignoring the CB position. No real thoughts on the specific players, though I'm hopeful that Woerner can have a bit of Kittle in him and show better as a receiver in the pros than in college (no, I'm not expecting him to be anywhere near the player that Kittle is). His testing numbers were tolerable, particularly the jumps, though he's got T-Rex arms and was 0-5 on contested balls last year.
Juaun Jennings is an interesting prospect in the 7th. I'm not expecting big things at all, and odds are good he ends up on the practice squad if that. But his measurables and scouting report remind me a lot of Kelvin Harmon, who some had going as high as the second or third round but dropped to the sixth last year after an awful combine (though not, it must be said, as bad as Jennings', whose 40 and vertical were both in the second percentile for WRs). In the final seven games, Harmon averaged three receptions for a little over 40 yards per game for Washington after being a sixth-round pick.
I came away happy with the draft - what salvaged it was us acquiring Trent Williams. What we gave up is almost a good of a move in comparison to what the Cardinals gave up for Hopkins.
I really don’t like the Aiyuk pick for various some of which are the same reasons that Crimson wrote about several days ago. Deebo Samuel showed us last year how tough and physical he is to bring down. The only receivers that brings that same exact has physicality when the ball is in their hands is Shenault and Antonio Gibson. Aiyuk is definitely more elusive than Samuel but I don’t agree with the notion that he’s the best YAC receiver in the class. Other than the stats anyone can see that Shenault is much more dangerous than he is (reverse / jet sweeps / bubble screens etc.).
YAC in the Pac-12 aren't YAC in the SEC, no doubt, so I get the hesitancy on Aiyuk. Though that applies to Shenault as well. Re: Shenault, I didn't get around to watching him myself for some reason. The issues with Shenault in my eyes - based primarily on reading/listening to scouting reports - is that he's basically a Samuel clone, and he's got a physical style combined with a pretty significant injury history. That's why he fell the way he did. I'm not confident he can stay healthy in the NFL given the way he plays. Aiyuk is also similar to Samuel in some ways, but from the brief highlights I've seen of both guys, Aiyuk looks faster and smoother to me. Granted he's also not as big.
I think the better burst/explosiveness that Aiyuk provides with more vertical speed than Deebo (or Shenault) is a big reason why Shanahan liked him so much. That distinction from Deebo provides Shanahan with more weapons rather than having "two Deebo's". Shenault is much more physical. When he has the ball and sees a DB in front of him, he tends to have a Bronko Nagurski mentality. And given that he's dealt with injuries the past 2 seasons, that makes his NFL durability more of a question mark. I'm fine with picking Aiyuk. Obviously I would have liked it better if it was at 31 instead of moving up to 25, but Shanahan strongly felt he wouldn't be there at 31. Since Shanny and Lynch have far greater resources on reading the tea leaves than I do, I have to assume he had strong reasons to make the deal. He said Aiyuk was one of those "6 foundational players" and he valued him and Lamb nearly equally. Since Lamb was already gone by then, he must have felt that getting 2 of his "6 foundational" guys in the first round (particularly their #1 guy in Kinlaw) was something he could not pass up. I liked Mims more than Shenault and was hoping he would trade down from 31 to get him, but oh well.....
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Samurai wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:
I came away happy with the draft - what salvaged it was us acquiring Trent Williams. What we gave up is almost a good of a move in comparison to what the Cardinals gave up for Hopkins.
I really don’t like the Aiyuk pick for various some of which are the same reasons that Crimson wrote about several days ago. Deebo Samuel showed us last year how tough and physical he is to bring down. The only receivers that brings that same exact has physicality when the ball is in their hands is Shenault and Antonio Gibson. Aiyuk is definitely more elusive than Samuel but I don’t agree with the notion that he’s the best YAC receiver in the class. Other than the stats anyone can see that Shenault is much more dangerous than he is (reverse / jet sweeps / bubble screens etc.).
YAC in the Pac-12 aren't YAC in the SEC, no doubt, so I get the hesitancy on Aiyuk. Though that applies to Shenault as well. Re: Shenault, I didn't get around to watching him myself for some reason. The issues with Shenault in my eyes - based primarily on reading/listening to scouting reports - is that he's basically a Samuel clone, and he's got a physical style combined with a pretty significant injury history. That's why he fell the way he did. I'm not confident he can stay healthy in the NFL given the way he plays. Aiyuk is also similar to Samuel in some ways, but from the brief highlights I've seen of both guys, Aiyuk looks faster and smoother to me. Granted he's also not as big.
I think the better burst/explosiveness that Aiyuk provides with more vertical speed than Deebo (or Shenault) is a big reason why Shanahan liked him so much. That distinction from Deebo provides Shanahan with more weapons rather than having "two Deebo's". Shenault is much more physical. When he has the ball and sees a DB in front of him, he tends to have a Bronko Nagurski mentality. And given that he's dealt with injuries the past 2 seasons, that makes his NFL durability more of a question mark. I'm fine with picking Aiyuk. Obviously I would have liked it better if it was at 31 instead of moving up to 25, but Shanahan strongly felt he wouldn't be there at 31. Since Shanny and Lynch have far greater resources on reading the tea leaves than I do, I have to assume he had strong reasons to make the deal. He said Aiyuk was one of those "6 foundational players" and he valued him and Lamb nearly equally. Since Lamb was already gone by then, he must have felt that getting 2 of his "6 foundational" guys in the first round (particularly their #1 guy in Kinlaw) was something he could not pass up. I liked Mims more than Shenault and was hoping he would trade down from 31 to get him, but oh well.....
You guys have eased my concerns a bit regarding Aiyuk and Shenault (his injury cannot be overlooked). I also liked Mims, he reminds me of Davante Adams.
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So, maybe you've seen me talk about wanting a sleeper like Jason Huntley...
Oh, he also runs a low 4.3, but scouts gonna scout.
Oh, he also runs a low 4.3, but scouts gonna scout.
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I gotta admire that Kinlaw is willing to step in the big shoes and invite the scrutiny. He requested, and received, DeFo's #99. He will always be compared to what Buckner did, but the spotlight grows even brighter when he is wearing his old number. Can't say he's lacking in self-confidence!
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I_am_1z wrote:So, maybe you've seen me talk about wanting a sleeper like Jason Huntley...
Oh, he also runs a low 4.3, but scouts gonna scout.
The most recent highlight of him is ridiculous
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Back to Jennings for a minute, PFF - and specifically Mike Renner - really like him as a player. They had him 31st overall early in the offseason, I think, and 40th following the Senior Bowl. After his awful combine, he dropped to 70th, I think, but still much higher than he was picked.
There was some concern about his demeanor, clashing with coaches on two different staffs apparently. I was listening to Renner's podcast reviewing the draft, and he mentioned that Jennings apparently has some pretty serious off-field issues. He wouldn't go into what the issues were, but from the way he spoke about it suggested they were pretty major. Just something to keep in mind.
On the other side of things, I remembered that Bourne didn't run well at the combine and pulled up his numbers. He had a great three-cone (Jennings didn't run it), but his 40 was a 4.68, only 0.04 faster than Jennings' poor time.
There was some concern about his demeanor, clashing with coaches on two different staffs apparently. I was listening to Renner's podcast reviewing the draft, and he mentioned that Jennings apparently has some pretty serious off-field issues. He wouldn't go into what the issues were, but from the way he spoke about it suggested they were pretty major. Just something to keep in mind.
On the other side of things, I remembered that Bourne didn't run well at the combine and pulled up his numbers. He had a great three-cone (Jennings didn't run it), but his 40 was a 4.68, only 0.04 faster than Jennings' poor time.
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https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/136509-john-lynch-explains-nkeal-harry-49ers-brandon-aiyuk
Herm Edwards says Aiyuk is really a 4.3 guy.
Herm Edwards says Aiyuk is really a 4.3 guy.
"So we watched him throughout the year, and he's a guy that just the more you watch, the more you like," Lynch continued. "I think we were probably helped by [his 40-time]. I don't think he was healthy. He's since had that core-muscle surgery, but he ran a 4.5, and our eyes sure didn't see a 4.5. Our eyes saw a guy that never got caught. Sure enough, when I talked to Herm, Herm said, 'Don't believe that. He's a high 4.3 guy day long.'
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He looked faster than 4.5 flat on the games that I watched before the draft, so that makes sense. I liked him in that 25-35 range as he has some stuff to work on but the upside is there, no question. If he ran 4.36-4.39 range, he may have been in the running for WR3 taken in the draft.
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CrimsonCrew wrote:Back to Jennings for a minute, PFF - and specifically Mike Renner - really like him as a player. They had him 31st overall early in the offseason, I think, and 40th following the Senior Bowl. After his awful combine, he dropped to 70th, I think, but still much higher than he was picked.
There was some concern about his demeanor, clashing with coaches on two different staffs apparently. I was listening to Renner's podcast reviewing the draft, and he mentioned that Jennings apparently has some pretty serious off-field issues. He wouldn't go into what the issues were, but from the way he spoke about it suggested they were pretty major. Just something to keep in mind.
On the other side of things, I remembered that Bourne didn't run well at the combine and pulled up his numbers. He had a great three-cone (Jennings didn't run it), but his 40 was a 4.68, only 0.04 faster than Jennings' poor time.
Jennings looks awfully slow on tape - his forty time at the combine is an accurate depiction of the type of athlete he is. I remember mentioning this when we drafted him, the guy makes it hard to root for him (character flaws). He comes off as being very selfish, but he does have a sincere love for the game, one cannot deny that. He remindS me of Legarette Blount coming out of college personality wise. The only difference is that Blount was far more talented at his respective position. Many NFL evaluators expected and weren’t surprised that Blount outperformed his UDFA status...
Going back to Jennings, I’ve never seen a more hyped up 7th rounder since that year we drafted Ken Dorsey and that strong arm QB from Washington Huskies. I mean it’s a throw away pick IMO so it’s a moot point to criticize a 7th round pick in Jennings. I’m just frustrated seeing (mainly on Facebook) fans hyping up Jennings to be in their mind what seems to be the steal of the draft.
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Jennings' 40 is accurate. He's slow. But He's got some nuance in his routes and he can make plays on the ball in the air. He's Hurd insurance in my view. If Hurd is okay, Jennings almost certainly is practice squad at best. If he's not, then Jennings has a shot as a big slot.
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CrimsonCrew wrote:Jennings' 40 is accurate. He's slow. But He's got some nuance in his routes and he can make plays on the ball in the air. He's Hurd insurance in my view. If Hurd is okay, Jennings almost certainly is practice squad at best. If he's not, then Jennings has a shot as a big slot.
I suspect Jennings was drafted to be an insurance policy if Hurd is not okay. Bourne turned out to be a solid third down/red zone receiver last year but we could have really used that big target as Jimmy's security blanket. If Hurd is healthy, he's that guy. If he's not, Jennings is that guy. I think the fact that Hurd is still a question mark is the reason why we drafted Jennings.