Packers First Round - Jordan Love - POLL ADDED

[DrWood]

I'm happier picking Love at 26 than I would be picking Justin Herbert at #6. But I still think they should have kept their pick and drafted a player who would play in 2020 (assuming there is a season).

they kept putting up a graphic that said the Packers WRs were undrafted players on 54% of the snaps last year. So, yeah, maybe a wide receiver.

Is it better picking a guy at 26 who you gave an 18 value to than picking a guy at 30 who you gave a 34 value to, but will contribute during the first two years of his contract?

[humanrefutation]

Anyone grading this an F is just...is there no world in which you can imagine that we've just drafted an heir apparent who could sustain us for another 15 years of success?

I understand the skepticism of Love and the philosophical objections to drafting a QB instead of an immediate need, but if this pick nails, it'll do more to help the franchise in the long run than literally any other pick we could have made at 26. To pronounce it a failure this early is simply asinine.

[MoMM]

Anyone grading this an F is just...is there no world in which you can imagine that we've just drafted an heir apparent who could sustain us for another 15 years of success?

I understand the skepticism of Love and the philosophical objections to drafting a QB instead of an immediate need, but if this pick nails, it'll do more to help the franchise in the long run than literally any other pick we could have made at 26. To pronounce it a failure this early is simply asinine.

So basically you can just draft any QB and it's OK, right?

[JayMKE]

I don’t like Love as a prospect let alone as a guy we trade up for and that’s not even factoring in that it’s a not a need at all. If it works out then I’ll eat crow but until then I don’t like it.

[humanrefutation]

Anyone grading this an F is just...is there no world in which you can imagine that we've just drafted an heir apparent who could sustain us for another 15 years of success?

I understand the skepticism of Love and the philosophical objections to drafting a QB instead of an immediate need, but if this pick nails, it'll do more to help the franchise in the long run than literally any other pick we could have made at 26. To pronounce it a failure this early is simply asinine.

So basically you can just draft any QB and it's OK, right?

Yep, that's exactly what I said.

[Renzen]

After giving it some time, and pouring over every highlights and analysis videos I could find, i love this pick.

Sure, he could bust, but he has the arm talent of a Mahomes or Rodgers, and he showed improvement throughout this past year at reading defenses, which he didn't do in 2018.

He has alot to work in regards to the mental aspect, but his numbers this past year do not show a lack of talent. They show a young talent needing to learn. And who better to learn from, then an all-time great.

Also, him and one receiver were the only returning starters, combined with Gery Anderson, was just a recipe for disaster. Especially with him learning to make pro reads

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[WRau1]

I like Love as a prospect and the fact that he gets to learn under Rodgers but I don't like that the Packers picked him. With so many other needs, taking a project QB is a luxury pick. We can't afford to do that, espically with so many other guys on the board that were projected to give us help immediately. Unless there is some plan to bring in another vet WR and 2 LBs, I don't understand what's going on. You spend all that money on the Rodgers extension and bringing in the two Smith Bros/Amos only to use the draft (with tons of NFL ready talent) to build for the future? It's like the Packers think that their window is closed already so we might as well get a head start on the retool. I don't get it.

[Bernman]

I didn't realize Gare was his head coach just as of this past year. That absolves Love of most of his struggles. Gare tanked Stave's confidence by pre-ordaining he wanted a running QB. Also didn't cater to Stave's or the OL's strengths. Force-fit his system onto him and them. Made big OL zone block. Picked an OC that didn't set up opponents well (Love's OC went 4-8 at ND).

Love still made mistakes that were independent of the system or lack of talent around him, like missing some open wr's, but it's a major mitigating factor, and there could have been a domino effect from lack of comfort. Makes me feel better about the outlook learning about this fact and how much I despised Gare even before his sudden departure from the Badgers.

[Treebeard]

I like Love as a prospect and the fact that he gets to learn under Rodgers but I don't like that the Packers picked him. With so many other needs, taking a project QB is a luxury pick. We can't afford to do that, espically with so many other guys on the board that were projected to give us help immediately. Unless there is some plan to bring in another vet WR and 2 LBs, I don't understand what's going on. You spend all that money on the Rodgers extension and bringing in the two Smith Bros/Amos only to use the draft (with tons of NFL ready talent) to build for the future? It's like the Packers think that their window is closed already so we might as well get a head start on the retool. I don't get it.

After thinking on it overnight and reading Dougherty's take this morning, it sure looks like they view last year as the high-water mark for the TT/McCarthy era team. The thing that really confuses me are the points you raise about big investments for last year and the future, and now apparently completely shifting directions. Do they believe they can rebuild on the fly and contend during the process? This is a high priced roster for a rebuilding team, or am I not seeing the forest because all the trees are in the way?

[MAC1987]

Anyone answering A-F is wrong. You cant rank this pick.

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[msiris]

Anyone grading this an F is just...is there no world in which you can imagine that we've just drafted an heir apparent who could sustain us for another 15 years of success?

I understand the skepticism of Love and the philosophical objections to drafting a QB instead of an immediate need, but if this pick nails, it'll do more to help the franchise in the long run than literally any other pick we could have made at 26. To pronounce it a failure this early is simply asinine.

So it is asinine to give it an F because some wanted someone else? I gave it an F because I wanted help next year. I do not know if Love will be any good. Nobody knows. I am not judging Love.

[Treebeard]

Anyone grading this an F is just...is there no world in which you can imagine that we've just drafted an heir apparent who could sustain us for another 15 years of success?

I understand the skepticism of Love and the philosophical objections to drafting a QB instead of an immediate need, but if this pick nails, it'll do more to help the franchise in the long run than literally any other pick we could have made at 26. To pronounce it a failure this early is simply asinine.

So it is asinine to give it an F because some wanted someone else? I gave it an F because I wanted help next year. I do not know if Love will be any good. Nobody knows. I am not judging Love.

I think with these developmental guys there's two parts to the eval:
*1 - evaluating the individual on his own merits (or lack of...)
*2 - right pick for the spot?

(disclaimer - I would have preferred they waited till next year to do the QB pick - there are always developmental guys like Love coming through). Still, we heard enough teasers, that maybe this guy can be coached up to match his physical capabilities.... We'll see, I guess

[Karmaloop]

Anyone grading this an F is just...is there no world in which you can imagine that we've just drafted an heir apparent who could sustain us for another 15 years of success?

I understand the skepticism of Love and the philosophical objections to drafting a QB instead of an immediate need, but if this pick nails, it'll do more to help the franchise in the long run than literally any other pick we could have made at 26. To pronounce it a failure this early is simply asinine.

I mean, if you don't like Love then I get it. I'd probably slap a "C" grade on it. I'm lukewarm on him. I see what you want to see, but I also see a massive project.

[M-C-G]

I think Love is absolutely a project, I think people too hung up on the production in 2019 need to consider the context of the season and understand how big of a deal having so much turnover impacts a QB.

Agree with those about his arm talent, it is pretty nuts some of those throws. So I am happy that we at least swung big on a QB if we were going that position. By no means what I would have done, nothing in this draft is close to what I would have preferred, but I'm glad we went bold if we were going QB

[MikeIsGood]

I didn't realize Gare was his head coach just as of this past year. That absolves Love of most of his struggles. Gare tanked Stave's confidence by pre-ordaining he wanted a running QB. Also didn't cater to Stave's or the OL's strengths. Force-fit his system onto him and them. Made big OL zone block. Picked an OC that didn't set up opponents well (Love's OC went 4-8 at ND).

Love still made mistakes that were independent of the system or lack of talent around him, like missing some open wr's, but it's a major mitigating factor, and there could have been a domino effect from lack of comfort. Makes me feel better about the outlook learning about this fact and how much I despised Gare even before his sudden departure from the Badgers.

Yep. The 2019 struggles have been overstated. Love was a big prospect after 2018 (and, hell, he was still a R1 pick in 2019).

[Mags FTW]

I didn't realize Gare was his head coach just as of this past year. That absolves Love of most of his struggles. Gare tanked Stave's confidence by pre-ordaining he wanted a running QB. Also didn't cater to Stave's or the OL's strengths. Force-fit his system onto him and them. Made big OL zone block. Picked an OC that didn't set up opponents well (Love's OC went 4-8 at ND).

Love still made mistakes that were independent of the system or lack of talent around him, like missing some open wr's, but it's a major mitigating factor, and there could have been a domino effect from lack of comfort. Makes me feel better about the outlook learning about this fact and how much I despised Gare even before his sudden departure from the Badgers.

To his credit, Andersen has been doing the talk radio rounds and placing a lot of the "blame" for Love's down year on the change of system and the loss of 9 other starters. Says Love was just trying to do too much, credited him for playing in their bowl game, etc.

[stillgotgame]

Anyone grading this an F is just...is there no world in which you can imagine that we've just drafted an heir apparent who could sustain us for another 15 years of success?

I understand the skepticism of Love and the philosophical objections to drafting a QB instead of an immediate need, but if this pick nails, it'll do more to help the franchise in the long run than literally any other pick we could have made at 26. To pronounce it a failure this early is simply asinine.

I gave it an F.

Here's the positive's from NFL.com's scouting report:

Tall in the pocket and smooth, natural thrower. Keeps ball tucked and secure while scanning the field. Tight spirals come from a variety of arm slots. Confident passer attacking between the hashes. Makes athletic pocket exits when scrambling. Good open-field vision and speed to move the sticks. Arm strength to dime it into windows. Drops deeps balls in with plenty of air and touch. In 2018, trusted big receivers to make plays on 50/50s. Arm talent and swagger to attack field side Cover 2 hole. Has access to expedited, compact release when pressured.
I won't post all the negatives, but looping windup, too much staring & telegraphing, and unusually spotty ball placement were the lowlights.
Overall grade was 6.36



A couple years ago we picked up DeShone Kizer in a trade. He was only a year out of school, young, and has an excellent arm.
Here's the positive's from his NFL.com's scouting report:

Big quarterback with a big arm. Can make all of the throws. Has step and crank power to drive throws into the seams. Has the arm talent and willingness to challenge safeties on both intermediate and deep throws. Looks the part with thick frame to withstand NFL punishment. Over the top delivery creates tight spirals. Has powerful grip allowing for aggressive pump fakes to move defense around. When he's comfortable, will tie feet with his eyes as he scans the field. Adequate drive accuracy. If he feels a completion is imminent, he'll stand in and take a punishing shot. Strong, authoritative runner with the speed to hit a big play with his feet. Two-way threat in the red zone. Posted 18 rushing touchdowns over last two seasons.

His negatives were very similar to Jordan Love's.
Overall grade was 6.3

Tell me why Jordan Love will turn out any different?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Anyone grading this an F is just...is there no world in which you can imagine that we've just drafted an heir apparent who could sustain us for another 15 years of success?

I understand the skepticism of Love and the philosophical objections to drafting a QB instead of an immediate need, but if this pick nails, it'll do more to help the franchise in the long run than literally any other pick we could have made at 26. To pronounce it a failure this early is simply asinine.

I gave it an F.

Here's the positive's from NFL.com's scouting report:

Tall in the pocket and smooth, natural thrower. Keeps ball tucked and secure while scanning the field. Tight spirals come from a variety of arm slots. Confident passer attacking between the hashes. Makes athletic pocket exits when scrambling. Good open-field vision and speed to move the sticks. Arm strength to dime it into windows. Drops deeps balls in with plenty of air and touch. In 2018, trusted big receivers to make plays on 50/50s. Arm talent and swagger to attack field side Cover 2 hole. Has access to expedited, compact release when pressured.
I won't post all the negatives, but looping windup, too much staring & telegraphing, and unusually spotty ball placement were the lowlights.
Overall grade was 6.36



A couple years ago we picked up DeShone Kizer in a trade. He was only a year out of school, young, and has an excellent arm.
Here's the positive's from his NFL.com's scouting report:

Big quarterback with a big arm. Can make all of the throws. Has step and crank power to drive throws into the seams. Has the arm talent and willingness to challenge safeties on both intermediate and deep throws. Looks the part with thick frame to withstand NFL punishment. Over the top delivery creates tight spirals. Has powerful grip allowing for aggressive pump fakes to move defense around. When he's comfortable, will tie feet with his eyes as he scans the field. Adequate drive accuracy. If he feels a completion is imminent, he'll stand in and take a punishing shot. Strong, authoritative runner with the speed to hit a big play with his feet. Two-way threat in the red zone. Posted 18 rushing touchdowns over last two seasons.

His negatives were very similar to Jordan Love's.
Overall grade was 6.3

Tell me why Jordan Love will turn out any different?

Well I think the hope would be you get to work with Love for a couple years before getting thrown to the dogs like Kizer was year one.

Honestly using an example of Kizer busting is no more proof love will bust than the flip side and saying a similar raw dude like maholmes succeeding. Every player is unique.

I do think this is a better situation for love to succeed than if he needed to play this year but ultimately it's up to him to capitalize on it.

Should probably also note were likely to see love start at some point over the next two years. QBs, especially old ones, get hurt. At least now if Rodgers goes down I'll still be interested in watching the games to see this kid.
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[chonestown]

If Jordan Love shed tears upon being drafted, I would have created a Crying Jordan meme and become, I dunno, like a thousandaire or something. Alas.

[Profound23]

Packer fans: "None of the teams in front of us were going to draft Jordan Love, they all have their QB."

Imagine being the Giants at pick 34 in 2018. In front of you are Vikes (Cousins), Pats (Brady), Eagles (Wentz), Browns (just drafted Mayfield). You're thinking "we just drafted Saquan, Lamar is projected to go mid-to-late second round, we don't have to trade a 4th to move in front of these teams who have QBs already."

Boom....Ravens trade in front of you, take him 4 spots before you could. Now how dumb do you look? Could have had Saquan and Lamar in the same draft.

Yes, there is truth about letting the draft come to you...at the same time if the guy you see is right there, you give up a 4th and take him.