I Still Know What They Should Do This Summer Atlanta Hawks

[Ball4life32]

The issue is that you kind of need a better defender when Trae Young is your franchise point guard.

But his defense isn’t even bad.....elite offense & above average defense + still improving.

Not saying his defense is bad. I'm saying you would want better. And Collins' offense isn't elite. It is good, but definitely not elite.

Not if they’re flawed offensively & there aren’t many elite two way guys out there....The Hawks are 8-39 w/o Collins in the last 2 years... his defense isn’t the problem...also what do you consider elite offensively?

[getrichordie]

If Reddish can keep his offense on the upward swing like he was doing since 2020 started, because of his defense he may supplant Huerter as the starting SG next to Trae. (That's the general hawks fans consensus)

I agree that Reddish should be the starting 2, but according to DRPM, you realize Hunter and Reddish are two of the bottom defenders in the league? I believe those numbers aren't entirely representative of their defensive capabilities, and adding a healthy Capela to the starting lineup will help out the defense tremendously, but Reddish and Hunter have yet to establish that they are capable enough defenders to compensate for Young's deficiencies.

The numbers don't tell the entire story. The Hawks as a whole was bad overall. The potential is there and that's the hope with Capela in the mix.
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I agree whole heartedly, but keep in mind that this is his and Hunter's first year. While it's not unheard of for wings to have a defensive impact early on, most players take time to adjust. Few (if any) are a bigger believer in Cam than I am. I'm simply suggesting that if you want to cover Trae's defensive deficiencies, ATL needs more than what they currently have. In 2 years, that might change. But if you want immediate defensive dividends, you might want to be looking at other options.

[getrichordie]

But his defense isn’t even bad.....elite offense & above average defense + still improving.

Not saying his defense is bad. I'm saying you would want better. And Collins' offense isn't elite. It is good, but definitely not elite.

Not if they’re flawed offensively & there aren’t many elite two way guys out there....The Hawks are 8-39 w/o Collins in the last 2 years... his defense isn’t the problem...also what do you consider elite offensively?

Elite offense = Gallinari, Wood, Siakam, Davis, Giannis, Griffin, Porzingis, etc. I often think of the word "elite" as a small, superior group relative to their counterparts.

[Ball4life32]

Not saying his defense is bad. I'm saying you would want better. And Collins' offense isn't elite. It is good, but definitely not elite.

Not if they’re flawed offensively & there aren’t many elite two way guys out there....The Hawks are 8-39 w/o Collins in the last 2 years... his defense isn’t the problem...also what do you consider elite offensively?

Elite offense = Gallinari, Wood, Siakam, Davis, Giannis, Griffin, Porzingis, etc. I often think of the word "elite" as a small, superior group relative to their counterparts.

Well I agree with the last part. haha

What makes Wood, Griffin & Porzingis elite offensively?

[getrichordie]

Not if they’re flawed offensively & there aren’t many elite two way guys out there....The Hawks are 8-39 w/o Collins in the last 2 years... his defense isn’t the problem...also what do you consider elite offensively?

Elite offense = Gallinari, Wood, Siakam, Davis, Giannis, Griffin, Porzingis, etc. I often think of the word "elite" as a small, superior group relative to their counterparts.

Well I agree with the last part. haha

What makes Wood, Griffin & Porzingis elite offensively?

Gravity. Athleticism. Maybe it's too soon to consider Wood elite, but he's certainly played like an elite offensive player this year.

EDIT: Also, ability to go get your offense, no matter what.

[pacers33granger]

Atlanta really needs another "star" alongside Trae and Collins, as well as some fill in pieces. I think they're getting there, but it's likely going to be another lotto season unless someone takes a leap. Still a lot of growing pains to be had with the young talent.

Trae/
Reddish/Huerter
Hunter/
Collins/
Capela/Dedmon/Fernando

note - depth chart may not be correct, just trying to find potential holes to fill. They should basically need a backup PG and a wing, along with general depth.

There's really not many free agents worth it on the market unfortunately. So I'd try to take on salary for assets if anything is available. With any remaining space go for vets to fill holes on big one year deals (with a TO if possible to help flexibility). I thought about targeting FVV as a good backup to Trae who can also fill in alongside, but I feel like he's going to be a negative asset once he signs a new deal given the numbers being thrown around. Dunn was a really good suggestion earlier.

So guys I'd target in free agency are Dunn, Napier, Bazemore, Justin Holiday, Jones Jr., Meyers Leonard, Sterling Brown, Moore, Ennis. I guess you try and bring back Bembry depending on price? I have no idea what kind of offer he could garner. I'd also test the waters with Roberson; if he's back to even 60% of what he was he could really help that defense out and Atlanta has money to spend.

With Collins, I'd offer him something like 4/80, which is comparable to other bigs' extensions. If he still feels like he's worth a max and wants to explore that, cool, but he hasn't earned that imo even without the suspension.

I'd try to trade out of the draft. There isn't an elite prospect in this draft and Atlanta has more than enough non-elite young talent. Ideally I'd be looking for a solid vet along with future assets. Idk who or what that is as it would depend on whose available at the pick. If there's no trade worth it, take Wiseman if he's there as another poster suggested and see if he can develop behind Capela and Dedmon. If anyone even suggests taking Ball, fire them on the spot.

[Godaddycurse]

No stars available in this FA, but thankfully they have Young already.. Centre is accounted for so for remaining positions i have these as realistic targets for them:

Forward FA targets:

RHJ ?8-10M
Josh Jackson ?8-10M
Crowder ?8-10M
Bertans ?12-15M

Guard FA targets:

Melton ?10M
Dunn ?8M

With the exception of Bertans they should all be average to plus defenders. If they can get 2-3 of those then their depth chart becomes:

Young/Dunn or Melton
Reddish/Huerter
Hunter/Jackson or Crowder
Collins/Bertans or RHJ
Capela/Dedmon

This will let them draft BPA or consolidate for a star if the opportunity comes up.

[CP War Hawks]

Keep it pretty simple. Draft Antman or Hayes. Sign Grant/Bertans and QOs to Bembry and Labissiere. Going to assume Hawks fall in the draft and land Hayes.

Young - Hayes
Huerter - Reddish - Bembry
Hunter - Grant or Bertans
Collins - Grant or Bertans
Capela - Dedmon - Labissiere

Still leaves you enough flexibility to push for a max 2021 FA.

[drosereturn]

They should try to consolidate assets and get an overpaid vet like Porter/ Harris since they arent a FA destination.
Capela is good but Gobert is major upgrade so go for it if it take minor assets. Adding Huerter might seal the deal.
Also, Hunter and Reddish looks like the future 2/3 so try to trade Huerter to the highest bidder.

Lineup

Young
Reddish/Hunter
Harris
Collins
Gobert

Now thats a threatening team that can challenge the number 1 seed next season if they barely make it.

[loserX]

They should try to consolidate assets and get an overpaid vet like Porter/ Harris since they arent a FA destination.

I must admit I'm a bit surprised that we're already almost on page 3 and this is the only suggestion that involves Atlanta trading for a player. (One other person suggested moving up to #1, and those are the only trades in this thread.)

I personally would kind of like Atlanta to pursue a guy like Beal (#4, Huerter, picks...either straight to WAS or as a move-up that gets the Wizards #1 plus whatever). There's a star player in his prime that shows the Hawks are serious, and gives them a Splash Bros East backcourt that should get their fans going again.

If Washington really isn't interested, perhaps a lesser offer for Jrue Holiday. He's older, but as a very-productive two-way combo guard he also solves a lot of the Hawks' deficiencies in one go. Atlanta has more than enough capspace to simply absorb either player and keep it simple.

Re-sign Teague. Sign Jae Crowder. Sign Noah Vonleh. If Huerter was traded, sign GRIII or Alec Burks.

Capela/Dedmon/Fernando
Collins/Vonleh/Crowder
Reddish/Hunter
Beal-or-Jrue/Huerter-or-GRIII
Young/Teague

To me this is much more interesting than just hoping more picks pan out. But to each their own, that's why these threads are fun to read

[Buzzard]

The Hawks need to stay the course. Make their pick and use their cap space wisely. They need at least one shooter out of this free agent crop and two would be ideal. Dedmon as a backup Center for one season is better than most but Fernando may not be ready to backup Collins at PF. Skal Labissière is a possible cheap wild card as a backup big with some versatility. Health is the question mark with him but GM/VP Schlenk has stated he likes him.

This is my ideal:
Shooter, I would love to see if the Wizards are really serious about Bertans. Offering 15M or a little more would make them nervous as hell in my opinion. Grant or Crowder as a backup SF/PF tweener. Teague or Dunn at backup PG.

With the above the Hawks could go BPA in the draft and not lose any sleep over which position the rookie is used at. In a perfect world he would be a PG, SF, PF or Center. I think Reddish and Huerter are a great rotation at SG.

[Buzzard]

They should try to consolidate assets and get an overpaid vet like Porter/ Harris since they arent a FA destination.

I must admit I'm a bit surprised that we're already almost on page 3 and this is the only suggestion that involves Atlanta trading for a player. (One other person suggested moving up to #1, and those are the only trades in this thread.)

I personally would kind of like Atlanta to pursue a guy like Beal (#4, Huerter, picks...either straight to WAS or as a move-up that gets the Wizards #1 plus whatever). There's a star player in his prime that shows the Hawks are serious, and gives them a Splash Bros East backcourt that should get their fans going again.

If Washington really isn't interested, perhaps a lesser offer for Jrue Holiday. He's older, but as a very-productive two-way combo guard he also solves a lot of the Hawks' deficiencies in one go. Atlanta has more than enough capspace to simply absorb either player and keep it simple.

Re-sign Teague. Sign Jae Crowder. Sign Noah Vonleh. If Huerter was traded, sign GRIII or Alec Burks.

Capela/Dedmon/Fernando
Collins/Vonleh/Crowder
Reddish/Hunter
Beal-or-Jrue/Huerter-or-GRIII
Young/Teague

To me this is much more interesting than just hoping more picks pan out. But to each their own, that's why these threads are fun to read

There is a big difference between superstar and all star. I don't see the Hawks trading for a maxed out player who is only a all-star. Collins contract comes up in 2021, then in 2022 its Huerter and Trae. Unless there is some mega star or borderline mega star that becomes available, I don't see Schlenk chasing someone else's cap hit that pushes his ability to sign his own players.

Things change, players and teams become disgruntled. That is something to always keep in mind.

[kg01]

I must admit I'm a bit surprised that we're already almost on page 3 and this is the only suggestion that involves Atlanta trading for a player. (One other person suggested moving up to #1, and those are the only trades in this thread.)

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To me this is much more interesting than just hoping more picks pan out. But to each their own, that's why these threads are fun to read

Shouldn't you be proud of us for being mature enough to avoid a bunch-a 2k-level fantasy trade proposals?

Seriously though, I doubt Beal is available. And although I love how Jrue would fit, I can't see trading our pick for him knowing he can walk right away.

Staying the course, however boring it is, may be the best course of action.

I say that as one who desperately wants to trade out of this draft.

[loserX]

I must admit I'm a bit surprised that we're already almost on page 3 and this is the only suggestion that involves Atlanta trading for a player. (One other person suggested moving up to #1, and those are the only trades in this thread.)

...

To me this is much more interesting than just hoping more picks pan out. But to each their own, that's why these threads are fun to read

Shouldn't you be proud of us for being mature enough to avoid a bunch-a 2k-level fantasy trade proposals? :)

Seriously though, I doubt Beal is available. And although I love how Jrue would fit, I can't see trading our pick for him knowing he can walk right away.

Staying the course, however boring it is, may be the best course of action.

I say that as one who desperately wants to trade out of this draft.

I mean I'm glad no one is suggesting trading Dedmon and Hunter for Giannis

There's nothing wrong with choosing to stay the course! I just thought the Capela/Dedmon trades indicated perhaps coming to the end of that, so I was surprised that despite the team having picks and capspace intact, only one poster thought to use them to add anyone in trade.

Not bad or disappointing, just surprising

[loserX]

On a separate note, this is the second of these threads and I find a lot of these proposals quite vague. ("Add more good young players" is a direction, but not much of a plan!) What specific players do you guys think these teams should target? What prices might they be willing to pay?

We are RealGM's after all

[drosereturn]

They should try to consolidate assets and get an overpaid vet like Porter/ Harris since they arent a FA destination.

I must admit I'm a bit surprised that we're already almost on page 3 and this is the only suggestion that involves Atlanta trading for a player. (One other person suggested moving up to #1, and those are the only trades in this thread.)

I personally would kind of like Atlanta to pursue a guy like Beal (#4, Huerter, picks...either straight to WAS or as a move-up that gets the Wizards #1 plus whatever). There's a star player in his prime that shows the Hawks are serious, and gives them a Splash Bros East backcourt that should get their fans going again.

Because most fans here have unrealistic expectations and try to go for the moon.
When even Chicago and New York are struggling to get tier 1 FAs, Atlanta is not going to cut it and its not like they made BKN type leap to bring in 2 superstars. So the plan is you acquire Porter/Millsap types and somehow turn them into superstars once you start winning.

Even a Beal type while ideal due to prime he is not the best fit and would require major assets than this yrs or Huerter.
But I think Huerter needs to go although I wanted Bulls to draft him since he kinda overlaps what Hunter and Reddish is doing and projects to get marginalized if all 3 are starting. Atlanta just simply have too many good players and need to trim down to get to the next level.

[Buzzard]

I must admit I'm a bit surprised that we're already almost on page 3 and this is the only suggestion that involves Atlanta trading for a player. (One other person suggested moving up to #1, and those are the only trades in this thread.)

...

To me this is much more interesting than just hoping more picks pan out. But to each their own, that's why these threads are fun to read

Shouldn't you be proud of us for being mature enough to avoid a bunch-a 2k-level fantasy trade proposals?

Seriously though, I doubt Beal is available. And although I love how Jrue would fit, I can't see trading our pick for him knowing he can walk right away.

Staying the course, however boring it is, may be the best course of action.

I say that as one who desperately wants to trade out of this draft.

You want to trade out and I want to trade down. We have very similar opinions and want to use our cap for quality this season.

[Buzzard]

They should try to consolidate assets and get an overpaid vet like Porter/ Harris since they arent a FA destination.

I must admit I'm a bit surprised that we're already almost on page 3 and this is the only suggestion that involves Atlanta trading for a player. (One other person suggested moving up to #1, and those are the only trades in this thread.)

I personally would kind of like Atlanta to pursue a guy like Beal (#4, Huerter, picks...either straight to WAS or as a move-up that gets the Wizards #1 plus whatever). There's a star player in his prime that shows the Hawks are serious, and gives them a Splash Bros East backcourt that should get their fans going again.

Because most fans here have unrealistic expectations and try to go for the moon.
When even Chicago and New York are struggling to get tier 1 FAs, Atlanta is not going to cut it and its not like they made BKN type leap to bring in 2 superstars. So the plan is you acquire Porter/Millsap types and somehow turn them into superstars once you start winning.

Even a Beal type while ideal due to prime he is not the best fit and would require major assets than this yrs or Huerter.
But I think Huerter needs to go although I wanted Bulls to draft him since he kinda overlaps what Hunter and Reddish is doing and projects to get marginalized if all 3 are starting. Atlanta just simply have too many good players and need to trim down to get to the next level.

Huerter or Reddish will be ideal 6th men on a loaded squad. I am leaning towards Huerter to fill that role. Beal would suck besides Trae defensively; so I will pass.

Chicago and New York have a hard time attracting free agents for numerous reasons. The weather sucks and the franchises have not been elite in a long time. New York longer than Chicago but you get my point. Next season if Atlanta pushes for the 7th or 8th seed, the league wide view could change drastically. Same for Chicago and New York.

Atlanta has Trae Young, John Collins, and Clint Capela; not a true Big Three; but I think they are a well rounded start for next season.

[Ball4life32]

They should try to consolidate assets and get an overpaid vet like Porter/ Harris since they arent a FA destination.

I must admit I'm a bit surprised that we're already almost on page 3 and this is the only suggestion that involves Atlanta trading for a player. (One other person suggested moving up to #1, and those are the only trades in this thread.)

I personally would kind of like Atlanta to pursue a guy like Beal (#4, Huerter, picks...either straight to WAS or as a move-up that gets the Wizards #1 plus whatever). There's a star player in his prime that shows the Hawks are serious, and gives them a Splash Bros East backcourt that should get their fans going again.

Because most fans here have unrealistic expectations and try to go for the moon.
When even Chicago and New York are struggling to get tier 1 FAs, Atlanta is not going to cut it and its not like they made BKN type leap to bring in 2 superstars. So the plan is you acquire Porter/Millsap types and somehow turn them into superstars once you start winning.

Even a Beal type while ideal due to prime he is not the best fit and would require major assets than this yrs or Huerter.
But I think Huerter needs to go although I wanted Bulls to draft him since he kinda overlaps what Hunter and Reddish is doing and projects to get marginalized if all 3 are starting. Atlanta just simply have too many good players and need to trim down to get to the next level.

A lot has to do with the team imo just as much as the city. People act like Atlanta had superstars in the past & still couldn’t attract FA’s. Not saying they will start attracting them in the future (way too early to tell) but playing with Trae & Collins could be attractive in the future if the Hawks start winning. Wouldn’t panic & overpay anyone right now.

Not that he’s untouchable but Hawks need Huerter’s shooting badly. Hawks were the worst shooting team in the league this year somehow(though a lot had to with players not on the roster anymore)...& he was/is the 2nd best passer on the team by a good margin. A guy like Hunter is way closer to a 4 then a 2 (he’ll never play any mins at the 2...only 3/4) so they don’t overlap. I agree Huerter is an ideal 6th man type coming off the bench.

[Buzzard]

I must admit I'm a bit surprised that we're already almost on page 3 and this is the only suggestion that involves Atlanta trading for a player. (One other person suggested moving up to #1, and those are the only trades in this thread.)

I personally would kind of like Atlanta to pursue a guy like Beal (#4, Huerter, picks...either straight to WAS or as a move-up that gets the Wizards #1 plus whatever). There's a star player in his prime that shows the Hawks are serious, and gives them a Splash Bros East backcourt that should get their fans going again.

Because most fans here have unrealistic expectations and try to go for the moon.
When even Chicago and New York are struggling to get tier 1 FAs, Atlanta is not going to cut it and its not like they made BKN type leap to bring in 2 superstars. So the plan is you acquire Porter/Millsap types and somehow turn them into superstars once you start winning.

Even a Beal type while ideal due to prime he is not the best fit and would require major assets than this yrs or Huerter.
But I think Huerter needs to go although I wanted Bulls to draft him since he kinda overlaps what Hunter and Reddish is doing and projects to get marginalized if all 3 are starting. Atlanta just simply have too many good players and need to trim down to get to the next level.

A lot has to do with the team imo just as much as the city. People act like Atlanta had superstars in the past & still couldn’t attract FA’s. Not saying they will start attracting them in the future (way too early to tell) but playing with Trae & Collins could be attractive in the future if the Hawks start winning. Wouldn’t panic & overpay anyone right now.

Hawks need Huerter’s shooting badly. Hawks were the worst shooting team in the league this year somehow...& he was/is the 2nd best passer on the team by a good margin. A guy like Hunter is way closer to a 4 then a 2 (he’ll never play any mins at the 2) so they don’t overlap.

Exactly, the worse three point shooting team in the league cannot afford to trade away its best high volume three point shooter. I think Hunter is a 3 all day and was badly misplayed at the 2 and 4 this season. Hunter played 18% at SG, 20% at PF, and 62% at SF according to basketball reference.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/huntede01.html