2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[Revived]

Mikal Bridges is such a dumbass. I thought being a high level defender would mean he has high basketball IQ as well but guess not.

The giving up 2 first round picks to move up for him looks like another atrocious move by the idiot McDonough every single day....

What has happened?

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More than looking stupid himself, he makes the Suns look stupid for drafting him.

[nevetsov]

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Oubre and the 10 for Gordon and the 15th. Gordon fills our need at the starting 4. And Saric becomes the backup 4. *** IF WE KEEP THE 15TH PICK, Then we take Saddiq Bey! IF NOT, Then you move the 15 and Diallo?
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You've got a few really decent ideas and options there.

I think my final Oubre-for-AG permutation would be:

Oubre ($14.5m)
Kaminsky ($5m TO picked up)
Okobo ($1.5m)
=$21m

For

A Gordon ($18m)
Birch ($3m)
=$21m

Magic:
Fultz, Okobo
Fournier, Ross
Oubre, Aminu
Isaac, Kaminsky
Vujevic, Bamba

Gives them a balanced team 2 deep across the board. There's enough offense in that starting lineup to let Isaac focus on defense while he adjusts to starting. Also, Fournier can take his young countryman Okobo under his wing as a development project that won't be happening here in PHX given Jerome has already supplanted him in the rotation. Kaminsky gives their bench a shot of offense while Bamba develops. As they are already capped out, they use their rooks and vet mins to fill out the roster.

Suns:
Rubio, Carter, Jerome
Booker, FA
Bridges, Johnson
Gordon, FA or Saric on QO
Ayton, Birch

Preserves our cap space to round out the bench. I think where there's smoke there is definitely fire, and we revisit Kennard for #10 at the draft. He's on $5m and slides right into the SG/SF rotation, as first off the bench behind Booker and Bridges.

I think we extend the QO of $4.7m to Saric, and either he will take it or he won't. Given his season I don't know if anyone is going to throw him a significantly better deal, so I assume he'll stay. If not, we'll find a comparable backup PF to play the tenth man role (Cam J will play some minutes here) for around the same money.

That leaves us with:
Rubio, Carter, Jerome
Booker, Kennard
Bridges, Johnson
Gordon, Saric
Ayton, Birch

Now I think the cap for next season is a bit of a moving target, but I reckon after all of that we will have around $8-10m of play up our sleeve.

To be consistently competitive, we'd need to upgrade Carter to a better veteran PG (Ish Smith is my fave) and/ or try and retain Baynes.

My money is on Baynes wanting to go anyway, which is a shame because we could probably offer as much as anyone, but the MLE from a true contender probably sees him out the door. We do have the option of Diallo for $2m, which is very reasonable for a quality third stringer. Him and a Carter and a 2nd for Ish Smith should just about cap us out.

Rubio, Smith, Jerome
Booker, Kennard
Bridges, Johnson
Gordon, Saric
Ayton, Birch, Diallo

I'd be happy with something like that. Maybe someone better that Ish at the backup PG but it's a start. Cam can play some 4 and Saric some 5 too in stretches.

[RedIndian]

Oubre for Gordon is a lateral move.

Oubre is the better offensive player, and on balance, they're about equivalent defensively.

Gordon is the better rebounder and passer, and probably the better interior defender, but that's about it.

Gordon on offense is at his best slashing inside, and doing some tertiary playmaking. That'd create bad spacing with Ayton already clogging the paint. At least Oubre shoots a high volume from 3, which Gordon struggles at.

I'd rather just stick with Oubre, especially given his popularity in the dressing room.

I also fear that we're becoming obsessed with finding a PF, when that isn't such a screaming need. I think a combination of Oubre, Saric or Kaminsky is perfectly fine if Ayton develops into a premier big. Hardly any team in the league runs with two legit bigs. If you have one, you make do with floor spacers and role players in the front court around him, and that's what we should do with Ayton.

The crying need on this roster is additional ball handlers and shot creators from the perimeter. Almost all playoff teams have 2-3 of those. We have just the one in Booker.

And unfortunately Jones, Bower & Monty seem to be content with that, and want to surround Point Book with role playing wings. That's a recipe for mediocrity, not playoff contention.

[darmani]

Mikal Bridges is such a dumbass. I thought being a high level defender would mean he has high basketball IQ as well but guess not.

The giving up 2 first round picks to move up for him looks like another atrocious move by the idiot McDonough every single day....

What has happened?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1959129

More than looking stupid himself, he makes the Suns look stupid for drafting him.

Oh boy, you are dumber than I thought.

[Revived]

What has happened?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1959129

More than looking stupid himself, he makes the Suns look stupid for drafting him.

Oh boy, you are dumber than I thought.

Lol “LeBron can average 90 pts...and that’s on anything”

You’ve already lost when your only argument is to revert to personal attacks.

[King4Day]

I think this was a preseason game the season we got Dragic back. I recorded my TV to get this shot:

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[Weemsickew14]

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1959129

More than looking stupid himself, he makes the Suns look stupid for drafting him.

Oh boy, you are dumber than I thought.

Lol “LeBron can average 90 pts...and that’s on anything”

You’ve already lost when your only argument is to revert to personal attacks.

Bro you need to chill. It's not a big deal. He was EXAGGERATING of course he wouldn't actually score 90 a game. Still would be better than MJ though.

[KLEON]

Does anyone have a video of the last dance episode 1 and 2?

[bwgood77]

I would trade Rubio for Paul as well. I wouldn’t resign Saric though. I think his poor defense limits him to a backup in this league imo. How about Paul Millsap? Good defender, can stretch the floor, fits well next to Ayton and provides leadership.

I like Millsap, but he's 35, and he's been struggling to stay fit for an 82 game season for a while now.

I know Saric has his flaws (perimeter defense in particular), but he's a tough, durable player, and is strong in his fundamentals. I think that's worth having as a rotation guy. The hope of course will be that the PF we draft will eventually be good enough to oust him from the starting lineup.

I think Saric is fine as a backup but I am not a fan of him as a starter. Milsap played 70 games last season and he's played the majority of this year's games as well.. so maybe he's finally healthy? Not sure. But imo I think Milsap would be great as a starter for one year and can help perhaps groom the PF that is drafted so he can be ready to start in the season after. And of course, he provides leadership and experience to the Suns team which can be great for the young guys. That's how I look at it lol

I've always been a fan of Milsap, and even though he is on the decline, he always overachieved relative to expectations, will work hard and is the type of guy people can learn from like Baynes. He will always work hard. I'd offer him a one year contract. I can't remember our cap space at the moment but there are not many options. He can do everything. Defend, hit the 3, etc...we could use that at the 4...and use a nice vet like him for another year as the young guys develop.

[bwgood77]

Mikal Bridges is such a dumbass. I thought being a high level defender would mean he has high basketball IQ as well but guess not.

The giving up 2 first round picks to move up for him looks like another atrocious move by the idiot McDonough every single day....

What has happened?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1959129

More than looking stupid himself, he makes the Suns look stupid for drafting him.

You are vastly overreacting. These young guys and old guys are always bantering.

I always did wish those Bulls had to match up in the finals vs Olajuwon or Robinson or even Shaq (who the Bulls and Jordan did lose to in 6 in the 2nd round in 95). LeBron would have been a tough matchup for them as the size of a PF but with the athleticism to be unstoppable. Pippen would have done as good of job as anyone against him, but they had a tough time with big ball handlers who dominated.

I don't put Kemp, Malone or even Barkley in the category.

[bwgood77]

Oubre for Gordon is a lateral move.

Oubre is the better offensive player, and on balance, they're about equivalent defensively.

Gordon is the better rebounder and passer, and probably the better interior defender, but that's about it.

Gordon on offense is at his best slashing inside, and doing some tertiary playmaking. That'd create bad spacing with Ayton already clogging the paint. At least Oubre shoots a high volume from 3, which Gordon struggles at.

I'd rather just stick with Oubre, especially given his popularity in the dressing room.

I also fear that we're becoming obsessed with finding a PF, when that isn't such a screaming need. I think a combination of Oubre, Saric or Kaminsky is perfectly fine if Ayton develops into a premier big. Hardly any team in the league runs with two legit bigs. If you have one, you make do with floor spacers and role players in the front court around him, and that's what we should do with Ayton.

The crying need on this roster is additional ball handlers and shot creators from the perimeter. Almost all playoff teams have 2-3 of those. We have just the one in Booker.

And unfortunately Jones, Bower & Monty seem to be content with that, and want to surround Point Book with role playing wings. That's a recipe for mediocrity, not playoff contention.

It all depends on what Oubre wants. If he is asking for a long term contract and like $25 million, I would make the trade. I think Gordon needs a better situation. He's played out of position a lot. I think he's a lot higher IQ type of player than Oubre and he always brings the energy as well...he actually moves the ball and is a solid passer. Sometimes guys thrive in new situations, and while Oubre has, I think Gordon is better than Oubre was in Washington, and if he thrived and made a step up in a new situation, he would likely be a better complement on our team than Oubre.

I do like Oubre at his current price, and the fact he will not hesitate shooting the 3, but he's not worth any more than he makes right now. Gordon may be slightly overpaid, but his contract isn't long at this point.

[Frank Lee]

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1959129

More than looking stupid himself, he makes the Suns look stupid for drafting him.

Oh boy, you are dumber than I thought.

Lol “LeBron can average 90 pts...and that’s on anything”

You’ve already lost when your only argument is to revert to personal attacks.

Not when he's right.....

[RedIndian]

The collective body of work of our front office when it comes to the draft:

New Orleans

2006, #12– Hilton Armstrong
2006, #15 – Cedric Simmons
2006, #43 – Marcus Vinicius
2007, #13 – Julian Wright
2008, #27 – Darrell Arthur (traded immediately for cash)
2009, #21 – Darren Collison
2010, #11 – Cole Aldrich

Detroit

2014, #38 – Spencer Dinwiddie
2015, #8 – Stanley Johnson
2015, #38 – Darrun Hilliard
2016, #18 – Henry Ellenson
2016, #49 – Michael Gbinjie
2017, #12 – Luke Kennard

Phoenix

2019, #11 – Cameron Johnson
2019, #24 – Ty Jerome


*gulp*

[Ghost of Kleine]

The collective body of work of our front office when it comes to the draft:

New Orleans

2006, #12– Hilton Armstrong
2006, #15 – Cedric Simmons
2006, #43 – Marcus Vinicius
2007, #13 – Julian Wright
2008, #27 – Darrell Arthur (traded immediately for cash)
2009, #21 – Darren Collison
2010, #11 – Cole Aldrich

Detroit

2014, #38 – Spencer Dinwiddie
2015, #8 – Stanley Johnson
2015, #38 – Darrun Hilliard
2016, #18 – Henry Ellenson
2016, #49 – Michael Gbinjie
2017, #12 – Luke Kennard

Phoenix

2019, #11 – Cameron Johnson
2019, #24 – Ty Jerome


*gulp*

Let's just hope that this extended delay will be to our benefit in that our front office will have more time to gather more in depth information on all potential prospects. And that this same delay may........With no small measure of luck, cause a few really solid underrated talents to remain within our range or later , rather than elevating beyond our range??

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This is what happens when NBA players aren't allowed to workout and stay in shape!

[King4Day]

I was thinking, if the season does return, so many teams will get back their injured players. Ben Simmons, Brogdon...guys who were dealing with minor injuries, etc.
You can almost throw away everything the regular season was about. If I were teams, I would absolutely demand the remaining games before the playoffs so teams can find a rhythm again.
I'd almost give just as much a chance for teams like Philly and Utah to win it all as I would LAL, LAC, and the Bucks. So much can change during lead up to the finals.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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So we might actually have a timeline then? If it does end up being may 8th, Then should we maybe anticipate the league finishing the season around the first to 2nd week of June. And the lottery and draft, sometime around mid to late August? ( as previously mentioned)?? Has anyone else heard anything more on the possability?

[SunsLyf3]

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Oubre and the 10 for Gordon and the 15th. Gordon fills our need at the starting 4. And Saric becomes the backup 4. *** IF WE KEEP THE 15TH PICK, Then we take Saddiq Bey! IF NOT, Then you move the 15 and Diallo?
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Oubre seems to be undervalued here. We'd lose this trade just by trading down. Another thing I'd ask is DO THE MAGIC WANT TO DEAL WITH THE OUBRE EXTENSION? They currently are on the books for next season for 122 mill. That is without having addressed the 2 pending extensions for Mo Bamba and Jonathan Isaac. Fultz seems like he might get resigned as well if he plays well consistently.

I'd give them #10, Cam Johnson, Frank, Okobo. I think something like that is what they would be interested in so they're not tied up salary wise.