2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[WargamesX]

Teams drafting high will have to ask themselves: Does it make more sense to gamble on a prospect with theoretically higher upside like Ball or Edwards, or make a safer bet? ... Front offices picking at the top of the lottery will need to balance risky upside versus greater certainty. Positional value will also weigh heavily on these decisions, possibly more than in most years.

I'd say the Knicks need to be going 100% towards "risky upside" over "greater certainty" which, let's be honest, none of these sure thing safe bet role players have any degree of certainty either, nothing is certain in life. If this season culminates in a pick that has a ceiling of role player that's a failure in my book, give me any of the top gamble picks that have at least some star potential

I think the opposite. I think the knicks need to grab the most sure players. Haliburton and try to trade up (cheap) for one of the better D&3 wings like Saddiq or Vassell.

2021 is a great draft, 2022 is a deep draft, 2021 will be the best FA in a 4 year period.

Better to grab the most guaranteed pieces that can contribute to the success of that 2022 Knicks teams. Taking a risk that turns into a bust means we are stuck scrambling for talent by 2022.

[3toheadmelo]

You must have sauces...

Since the season started everyone has been saying Golden State is taking Wiseman. Why would they take Lamelo or Edwards over him when they already have Steph and Klay? You think the Warriors are contempt with Marquese Chriss as starting 5? Lol

Wouldn't it be funny if the Warriors fall out of the top pick.

So you’re agreeing with me that they’re taking Wiseman if given the opportunity

[robillionaire]

Teams drafting high will have to ask themselves: Does it make more sense to gamble on a prospect with theoretically higher upside like Ball or Edwards, or make a safer bet? ... Front offices picking at the top of the lottery will need to balance risky upside versus greater certainty. Positional value will also weigh heavily on these decisions, possibly more than in most years.

I'd say the Knicks need to be going 100% towards "risky upside" over "greater certainty" which, let's be honest, none of these sure thing safe bet role players have any degree of certainty either, nothing is certain in life. If this season culminates in a pick that has a ceiling of role player that's a failure in my book, give me any of the top gamble picks that have at least some star potential

I think the opposite. I think the knicks need to grab the most sure players. Haliburton and try to trade up (cheap) for one of the better D&3 wings like Saddiq or Vassell.

2021 is a great draft, 2022 is a deep draft, 2021 will be the best FA in a 4 year period.

Better to grab the most guaranteed pieces that can contribute to the success of that 2022 Knicks teams. Taking a risk that turns into a bust means we are stuck scrambling for talent by 2022.

I just don't see any of these dudes as "sure". If I believed they were guaranteed to be a rotation player that may be another story. There are guys who people thought were safe bet sure things last year who didn't impress me very much. Culver for example. These guys can bust too. I guess my point is that they're all a gamble to some degree or another, I could envision a scenario where any of these players is a complete non-factor or bust

Case in point: there exist people amongst us who wanted culver over ja morant

[3toheadmelo]

I wouldn't trust ric bucher with any information ever

I wouldn’t trust Marc Berman either

yes you have stated that before. Still has nothing to do with bucher being a sh*t source. which you agreed with last year. In a span of a year he is no longer a "hack"?

Literally everyone who has reported on it said that we had the meeting scheduled for July 3rd and canceled it.

I don't know why that's hard to believe.

I don’t believe hacks

You really went to bump a post from god knows when just to prove your point it’s not that deep

[3toheadmelo]

I’ll just leave this little bomb for those who forget easy

Read on Twitter

[RHODEY]

I can't believe we had this terrible a season and aren't even in the top 5. Special kind of bad

Yeah but in this draft it might actually benefit us to pick a little later. But there is a decent chance we move up anyway.

[robillionaire]

I’ll just leave this little bomb for those who forget easy

Read on Twitter

That tweet from 11/12 they played the oregon ducks not oregon st so i'm not sure if he was trying to make a joke but anyway if those execs were there and saw the same performance I saw they probably wouldn't draft him

[robillionaire]

I can't believe we had this terrible a season and aren't even in the top 5. Special kind of bad

I'll wait until after our annual post lottery disappointment to express how enraged I am. They won 4 out of the last 7 games

I wasn't mad at the time because I figured they still had a portion of the season to turn the tank back on and get back down there. But now that I look at it the virus probably did us a favor because they would have kept going all out for wins until we were 9th or 10th

[mpharris36]

I wouldn’t trust Marc Berman either

yes you have stated that before. Still has nothing to do with bucher being a sh*t source. which you agreed with last year. In a span of a year he is no longer a "hack"?

I don’t believe hacks

You really went to bump a post from god knows when just to prove your point it’s not that deep

[WargamesX]

I'd say the Knicks need to be going 100% towards "risky upside" over "greater certainty" which, let's be honest, none of these sure thing safe bet role players have any degree of certainty either, nothing is certain in life. If this season culminates in a pick that has a ceiling of role player that's a failure in my book, give me any of the top gamble picks that have at least some star potential

I think the opposite. I think the knicks need to grab the most sure players. Haliburton and try to trade up (cheap) for one of the better D&3 wings like Saddiq or Vassell.

2021 is a great draft, 2022 is a deep draft, 2021 will be the best FA in a 4 year period.

Better to grab the most guaranteed pieces that can contribute to the success of that 2022 Knicks teams. Taking a risk that turns into a bust means we are stuck scrambling for talent by 2022.

I just don't see any of these dudes as "sure". If I believed they were guaranteed to be a rotation player that may be another story. There are guys who people thought were safe bet sure things last year who didn't impress me very much. Culver for example. These guys can bust too. I guess my point is that they're all a gamble to some degree or another, I could envision a scenario where any of these players is a complete non-factor or bust

Case in point: there exist people amongst us who wanted culver over ja morant

I am not saying if we move up, to move back down. However if the consensus top 4 (on most mocks) Wiseman, Ball, Edwards, and Deni are gone I think we should go for players that have higher floors.

[WargamesX]

I can't believe we had this terrible a season and aren't even in the top 5. Special kind of bad

I'll wait until after our annual post lottery disappointment to express how enraged I am. They won 4 out of the last 7 games

I wasn't mad at the time because I figured they still had a portion of the season to turn the tank back on and get back down there. But now that I look at it the virus probably did us a favor because they would have kept going all out for wins until we were 9th or 10th

We all got to pray the league uses a uniform 63 game season for lottery purposes. The more we discuss it the fairer is sounds.

[Deeeez Knicks]

It would be interesting to see what the Warriors would do at #1 or near the top. Wiseman does make sense. Or they could go in another direction...can even see them trading down.

[Jeff Van Gully]

It would be interesting to see what the Warriors would do at #1 or near the top. Wiseman does make sense. Or they could go in another direction...can even see them trading down.

i am highly intrigued by what they might do there. they could use wiseman.

i'm a strong believer in BPA. if they think edwards or lamelo is BPA, it shouldn't matter that they have splash brothers.

trade down could be beneficial if the bounty is high and they have someone they like.

i'd have to think if all went according to record, #1 would cost the knicks #6 and an unprotected FRP the following year. i'm good on that.

[3toheadmelo]

yes you have stated that before. Still has nothing to do with bucher being a sh*t source. which you agreed with last year. In a span of a year he is no longer a "hack"?

You really went to bump a post from god knows when just to prove your point it’s not that deep

Keep that same energy this the guy you been relying on to run your agenda?

haha berman deleted his tweet about Frank and DSjr playing in the summer league vs each other. Then people told him that he was wrong and do research. He came back with "reports" saying that DSjr isn't playing in the orlando summer league...LOL

ok berman you hack!

now berman running with the Lauir story like he knew they met with him.

Our reporters are straight trash...

berman is an idiot.

berman asking more beasley questions about his minutes...f*ck that fat douche ask real basketball questions u hack

lmfaoo

berman always has to ask trolling questions...no one cares about jack u fat bum

There’s so much more I can post. Why the sudden 180 on Berman?

[Zenzibar]

I'd say the Knicks need to be going 100% towards "risky upside" over "greater certainty" which, let's be honest, none of these sure thing safe bet role players have any degree of certainty either, nothing is certain in life. If this season culminates in a pick that has a ceiling of role player that's a failure in my book, give me any of the top gamble picks that have at least some star potential

I think the opposite. I think the knicks need to grab the most sure players. Haliburton and try to trade up (cheap) for one of the better D&3 wings like Saddiq or Vassell.

2021 is a great draft, 2022 is a deep draft, 2021 will be the best FA in a 4 year period.

Better to grab the most guaranteed pieces that can contribute to the success of that 2022 Knicks teams. Taking a risk that turns into a bust means we are stuck scrambling for talent by 2022.

I just don't see any of these dudes as "sure". If I believed they were guaranteed to be a rotation player that may be another story. There are guys who people thought were safe bet sure things last year who didn't impress me very much. Culver for example. These guys can bust too. I guess my point is that they're all a gamble to some degree or another, I could envision a scenario where any of these players is a complete non-factor or bust

Case in point: there exist people amongst us who wanted culver over ja morant

Gonna share something with you 2 guys but keep between us ok , I'm one that though Culver was going to be a monster as he grows, moreso than R.J. But of course, now I'm glad we drafted Barrett.

For all the slack Scott Perry's signing has cause here, I for one, think his drafting has been really good. Especially finding talent that has slipped through the cracks.

Anyway as mentioned above, the 2021 draft is full with top talent. However, be aware that other than Cade Cunningham, it's loaded with bigs.
It's why as much as I like Obi Toppin, my preference would be for the Knicks front office to get 2 point guards in this draft, which is more point guard talent heavy than 2021.

[robillionaire]

I think the opposite. I think the knicks need to grab the most sure players. Haliburton and try to trade up (cheap) for one of the better D&3 wings like Saddiq or Vassell.

2021 is a great draft, 2022 is a deep draft, 2021 will be the best FA in a 4 year period.

Better to grab the most guaranteed pieces that can contribute to the success of that 2022 Knicks teams. Taking a risk that turns into a bust means we are stuck scrambling for talent by 2022.

I just don't see any of these dudes as "sure". If I believed they were guaranteed to be a rotation player that may be another story. There are guys who people thought were safe bet sure things last year who didn't impress me very much. Culver for example. These guys can bust too. I guess my point is that they're all a gamble to some degree or another, I could envision a scenario where any of these players is a complete non-factor or bust

Case in point: there exist people amongst us who wanted culver over ja morant

I am not saying if we move up, to move back down. However if the consensus top 4 (on most mocks) Wiseman, Ball, Edwards, and Deni are gone I think we should go for players that have higher floors.

Yeah, wouldn't have much choice at that point. Out of all of them after those guys I think okongwu has a high floor I don't know if he'll be great but I could see him being a rotation big

[mpharris36]

You really went to bump a post from god knows when just to prove your point it’s not that deep

Keep that same energy this the guy you been relying on to run your agenda?

haha berman deleted his tweet about Frank and DSjr playing in the summer league vs each other. Then people told him that he was wrong and do research. He came back with "reports" saying that DSjr isn't playing in the orlando summer league...LOL

ok berman you hack!

now berman running with the Lauir story like he knew they met with him.

Our reporters are straight trash...

berman is an idiot.

berman asking more beasley questions about his minutes...f*ck that fat douche ask real basketball questions u hack

lmfaoo

berman always has to ask trolling questions...no one cares about jack u fat bum

There’s so much more I can post. Why the sudden 180 on Berman?

I have 19 pages that have a reference to berman make sure to cover them all

i want a report at the end of the day

[Deeeez Knicks]

It would be interesting to see what the Warriors would do at #1 or near the top. Wiseman does make sense. Or they could go in another direction...can even see them trading down.

i am highly intrigued by what they might do there. they could use wiseman.

i'm a strong believer in BPA. if they think edwards or lamelo is BPA, it shouldn't matter that they have splash brothers.

trade down could be beneficial if the bounty is high and they have someone they like.

i'd have to think if all went according to record, #1 would cost the knicks #6 and an unprotected FRP the following year. i'm good on that.

The way the Warriors are built and play a lot of players could make sense. Edwards/Ball could be groomed with Steph getting older and Klay recovers. Ball in a lineup with all shooters could be fun to watch. Can pretty much put any wing or big in there too if that is who they like. Maybe they even flip it for a vet to make another run.

Yeah, I would not trade our own pick next year to move up. Looks like a great draft and we will probably suck. Not sure what else might get it done. I do love LaMelo as #1, but he is def risky....am ok with staying wherever we pick worst case.

[mpharris36]

It would be interesting to see what the Warriors would do at #1 or near the top. Wiseman does make sense. Or they could go in another direction...can even see them trading down.

i am highly intrigued by what they might do there. they could use wiseman.

i'm a strong believer in BPA. if they think edwards or lamelo is BPA, it shouldn't matter that they have splash brothers.

trade down could be beneficial if the bounty is high and they have someone they like.

i'd have to think if all went according to record, #1 would cost the knicks #6 and an unprotected FRP the following year. i'm good on that.

The way the Warriors are built and play a lot of players could make sense. Edwards/Ball could be groomed with Steph getting older and Klay recovers. Ball in a lineup with all shooters could be fun to watch. Can pretty much put any wing or big in there too if that is who they like. Maybe they even flip it for a vet to make another run.

Yeah, I would not trade our own pick next year to move up. Looks like a great draft and we will probably suck. Not sure what else might get it done. I do love LaMelo as #1, but he is def risky....am ok with staying wherever we pick worst case.

it will be interesting, the warriors during there run have de-valued the center position. Even playing the best ball with Draymond Green as an undersized 5. I think they value spacing and positional flexibility too much to have a front court of green/wiseman.

Thats why I do believe they like someone like Deni...he can score a bit but his ability to play and guard a few positions at the 3 or possibly a small ball 4 and create a bit for Steph and Klay he makes sense to me for them and there up and down play style.

[robillionaire]

I think the opposite. I think the knicks need to grab the most sure players. Haliburton and try to trade up (cheap) for one of the better D&3 wings like Saddiq or Vassell.

2021 is a great draft, 2022 is a deep draft, 2021 will be the best FA in a 4 year period.

Better to grab the most guaranteed pieces that can contribute to the success of that 2022 Knicks teams. Taking a risk that turns into a bust means we are stuck scrambling for talent by 2022.

I just don't see any of these dudes as "sure". If I believed they were guaranteed to be a rotation player that may be another story. There are guys who people thought were safe bet sure things last year who didn't impress me very much. Culver for example. These guys can bust too. I guess my point is that they're all a gamble to some degree or another, I could envision a scenario where any of these players is a complete non-factor or bust

Case in point: there exist people amongst us who wanted culver over ja morant

Gonna share something with you 2 guys but keep between us ok , I'm one that though Culver was going to be a monster as he grows, moreso than R.J. But of course, now I'm glad we drafted Barrett.

For all the slack Scott Perry's signing has cause here, I for one, think his drafting has been really good. Especially finding talent that has slipped through the cracks.

Anyway as mentioned above, the 2021 draft is full with top talent. However, be aware that other than Cade Cunningham, it's loaded with bigs.
It's why as much as I like Obi Toppin, my preference would be for the Knicks front office to get 2 point guards in this draft, which is more point guard talent heavy than 2021.

Eh we've all been wrong about stuff. I liked the knox pick and that's not turning out well so far. Yeah that might be a good strategy. I would go PG and then hope a PG who maybe underwhelmed slips to 27 like tre jones or mannion. Let's just solidify our weakest position as much as we can. I like a lot of the SF-PF players from next years draft as well.

if it was up to me I'd be going after lamelo and trying to make a trade with the warriors or whoever is willing to move up a few spots and select him. if this is indeed the weak draft everyone says it is then the asking price shouldn't be very high