2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[spree8]

Same argument just a different day. "Tatum is not some amazing small forward". "Knicks need a point guard, would rather have Frank".

And DX has Wiseman going #2 btw. The most knowledable draft experts out there have him as the 2nd best player in the whole draft.

No one is saying the Knicks don't need a guard. Just get one in next year's draft or get one with our later picks in this draft or trade/sign for one in free agency. It's not that complicated. But people like you want to reach for inferior talent to draft for needs which is a horrible mindset.

Give us more draft experts picking Wiseman 1 or 2, as the Ringer has Wiseman at 7, so what it means?

Additionally, have to confess that I'm a little lost. How does Tatum going to Boston in 2017 have anything at all to do with Wiseman? He's not as highly touted.

We have a guard heavy draft, a serious position of need and you're bugling a case for a position the Knicks are solid in.

Look Wiseman is a very good prospect but we have a nice player who is incorporating a jump shoot away from being a top 4 eastern conference center. Mitch is a uber talented PnR player, his 1 on 1 defense is elite and his giddy-up around the rim are highlights.

Dude honestly? If we are in a position to trade out of his pick, I would parley that into 2 lottery picks, 1 this year and another in 2021. Do what OKC and Sam Presti would do.

Lol you weren't here. This whole board was very down on Tatum and wanted no parts of him and wanted to draft players like Frank over him cause we needed a point guard. I battled the whole board. It's the same thing with Wiseman. Wiseman is another highly touted player but this board is very down on him and insists we draft inferior point guards over the way better prospect cause we need a point guard. It's a foolish and a dumb mindset.

Lets keep it real, Mitch has shown no indication that he's going to be shooting jumpers and being a beast on the block like Wiseman. Mitch is a rim running big like Capela, which isn't bad. . But I rather have an Embiid/AD/Ayton type prospect with Wiseman. At most I see Mitch shooting a jumper here and there like Tyson did for us in 2014 which was awful.

Also I would not call the Ringer "experts" in drafts. They've been very off in their mocks and analyis over the last couple of years.

I liked Tatum... thought he was a Melo/Granger hybrid, but yea I was one of the ones who had him behind all the pg’s like Ball, DSJr, Fultz n Frank. Learned my lesson about drafting for need... that’s why Wiseman is 1st on my list.

[RHODEY]

Depending on how the lottery works out I wouldn’t be shocked if Wiseman falls like Drummond did in his draft. At least he’s luckier than Drummond cuz the warriors can only fall to 5 and he won’t get passed them. The Cavs, Hawks, Bulls, Wolves, Sun, and Knicks have young bigs on the roster already and probably wouldn’t use another top 5 pick on him. The only other teams that could use him Detroit and Charlotte. So he’s gotta hope one of them jump up to be a top 3 pick. That being said, I’d probably still take him 3rd based on talent.

I can even live with Cole if we fall in the draft and he's the best option left.

damn I hope we don't fall to 17th in the draft lottery then

[Worst_to_First]

Same argument just a different day. "Tatum is not some amazing small forward". "Knicks need a point guard, would rather have Frank".

And DX has Wiseman going #2 btw. The most knowledable draft experts out there have him as the 2nd best player in the whole draft.

No one is saying the Knicks don't need a guard. Just get one in next year's draft or get one with our later picks in this draft or trade/sign for one in free agency. It's not that complicated. But people like you want to reach for inferior talent to draft for needs which is a horrible mindset.

Give us more draft experts picking Wiseman 1 or 2, as the Ringer has Wiseman at 7, so what it means?

Additionally, have to confess that I'm a little lost. How does Tatum going to Boston in 2017 have anything at all to do with Wiseman? He's not as highly touted.

We have a guard heavy draft, a serious position of need and you're bugling a case for a position the Knicks are solid in.

Look Wiseman is a very good prospect but we have a nice player who is incorporating a jump shoot away from being a top 4 eastern conference center. Mitch is a uber talented PnR player, his 1 on 1 defense is elite and his giddy-up around the rim are highlights.

Dude honestly? If we are in a position to trade out of his pick, I would parley that into 2 lottery picks, 1 this year and another in 2021. Do what OKC and Sam Presti would do.

Lol you weren't here. This whole board was very down on Tatum and wanted no parts of him and wanted to draft players like Frank over him cause we needed a point guard. I battled the whole board. It's the same thing with Wiseman. Wiseman is another highly touted player but this board is very down on him and insists we draft inferior point guards over the way better prospect cause we need a point guard. It's a foolish and a dumb mindset.

Lets keep it real, Mitch has shown no indication that he's going to be shooting jumpers and being a beast on the block like Wiseman. Mitch is a rim running big like Capela, which isn't bad. . But I rather have an Embiid/AD/Ayton type prospect with Wiseman. At most I see Mitch shooting a jumper here and there like Tyson did for us in 2014 which was awful.

Also I would not call the Ringer "experts" in drafts. They've been very off in their mocks and analyis over the last couple of years.

I can see Wiseman’s midpost game to be something that can be very reliable especially in the playoffs when good teams start to take away the 3-pointer and drives to the basket. Add this to his potential as an elite rim runner. On the defensive end he is someone that can create problems for the likes of Embiid, Jokic and even Giannis given Wiseman’s agility for his size and length.

I like Mitch a lot and will be happy rolling with him moving forward but he definitely shouldn’t be the reason for us to pass on Wiseman.

[Zenzibar]

Lol you weren't here. This whole board was very down on Tatum and wanted no parts of him and wanted to draft players like Frank over him cause we needed a point guard. I battled the whole board. It's the same thing with Wiseman. Wiseman is another highly touted player but this board is very down on him and insists we draft inferior point guards over the way better prospect cause we need a point guard. It's a foolish and a dumb mindset.

Lets keep it real, Mitch has shown no indication that he's going to be shooting jumpers and being a beast on the block like Wiseman. Mitch is a rim running big like Capela, which isn't bad. . But I rather have an Embiid/AD/Ayton type prospect with Wiseman. At most I see Mitch shooting a jumper here and there like Tyson did for us in 2014 which was awful.

Also I would not call the Ringer "experts" in drafts. They've been very off in their mocks and analyis over the last couple of years.

First of all, don't let my numbers fool you, I've been around longer than you think.

Secondly, what you're saying is pure folly and disingenuous. The "whole " board wasn't down on Tatum and very few cept the Euro crowd knew much about Frank. So Frank wasn't a unanimous pick as you are insinuating.

You def weren't here if you believe that.

About 95% of this board hated Tatum. Go ask Worst_To_First. Me and him were the biggest Tatum fans that year. I would say Greenie too but shes not here and you don't know her. Unless you're a previously banned poster. There was a few other Tatum fans but not much. People thought he reminded them of Melo too much and wanted no parts of him. Go look in the draft threads since you weren't here.

Stop clowning yourself my dude, you don't know if I was here not.

[knickstape21]

Just chiming in again to say the disrespect for Mitchell Robinson by some of you is disgusting. Have a nice Friday night.

[Zenzibar]

Give us more draft experts picking Wiseman 1 or 2, as the Ringer has Wiseman at 7, so what it means?

Additionally, have to confess that I'm a little lost. How does Tatum going to Boston in 2017 have anything at all to do with Wiseman? He's not as highly touted.

We have a guard heavy draft, a serious position of need and you're bugling a case for a position the Knicks are solid in.

Look Wiseman is a very good prospect but we have a nice player who is incorporating a jump shoot away from being a top 4 eastern conference center. Mitch is a uber talented PnR player, his 1 on 1 defense is elite and his giddy-up around the rim are highlights.

Dude honestly? If we are in a position to trade out of his pick, I would parley that into 2 lottery picks, 1 this year and another in 2021. Do what OKC and Sam Presti would do.

Lol you weren't here. This whole board was very down on Tatum and wanted no parts of him and wanted to draft players like Frank over him cause we needed a point guard. I battled the whole board. It's the same thing with Wiseman. Wiseman is another highly touted player but this board is very down on him and insists we draft inferior point guards over the way better prospect cause we need a point guard. It's a foolish and a dumb mindset.

Lets keep it real, Mitch has shown no indication that he's going to be shooting jumpers and being a beast on the block like Wiseman. Mitch is a rim running big like Capela, which isn't bad. . But I rather have an Embiid/AD/Ayton type prospect with Wiseman. At most I see Mitch shooting a jumper here and there like Tyson did for us in 2014 which was awful.

Also I would not call the Ringer "experts" in drafts. They've been very off in their mocks and analyis over the last couple of years.

I liked Tatum... thought he was a Melo/Granger hybrid, but yea I was one of the ones who had him behind all the pg’s like Ball, DSJr, Fultz n Frank. Learned my lesson about drafting for need... that’s why Wiseman is 1st on my list.

Most were between Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball at #1, so did most drafts. Facts.
That's why Wiseman in this draft may be #1, but he's not going to come off like you two are projecting. To me even Tyrese Haliburton, my personal favorite, is going struggle. But by time is all said is done, Tyrese will fill a need, while playing alongside possible future all-star Mitchell Robinson.

Why wouldn't with a pick of Wiseman trade off 2 or three slots and get ANOTHER possible lottery pick in LOADED 2021?

There are 4-5 very good guards in this years draft, separated by thismuch all with in reach of us getting 3 of them. And another #1?

Explain.

[RHODEY]

Just chiming in again to say the disrespect for Mitchell Robinson by some of you is disgusting. Have a nice Friday night.

Right i agree.

[robillionaire]

The Houston problem is that their guards are so expensive (Russel, Harden and Gordon make 90M), there are no cap space left for a Big. Besides, Dantoni doesnt mind.

They don’t care for bigs that’s why they suck. Every team that has won a championship in recent history has had a very good big man. The only outlier is Golden state and that’s because they have arguably the best shooter of all time.

The thought of Wiseman on the Warriors continues to sicken me. It is game over for the rest of the league if this happens.

nah it isn't. KD gone, iggy gone, draymond deteriorating, klay trying to recover from ACL tear, steph chokes in the playoffs, and wiseman is raw AF and hasn't played much meaningful ball outside of high school and will take years to develop. they'll still be good but it's not game over for the league. definitely a couple teams in LA that would have something to say about it

[3toheadmelo]

First of all, don't let my numbers fool you, I've been around longer than you think.

Secondly, what you're saying is pure folly and disingenuous. The "whole " board wasn't down on Tatum and very few cept the Euro crowd knew much about Frank. So Frank wasn't a unanimous pick as you are insinuating.

You def weren't here if you believe that.

About 95% of this board hated Tatum. Go ask Worst_To_First. Me and him were the biggest Tatum fans that year. I would say Greenie too but shes not here and you don't know her. Unless you're a previously banned poster. There was a few other Tatum fans but not much. People thought he reminded them of Melo too much and wanted no parts of him. Go look in the draft threads since you weren't here.

Stop clowning yourself my dude, you don't know if I was here not.

It's pretty obvious you weren't. You exposed your self


And to say that very few people knew about Frank is hilarious. When do you think the term "Frankfrooters" came to life? So stop it. Frank was talked about immensely during those threads and we even had people here watching his live games. Those threads were completely different than how it is now. I miss those days. Too bad you wasnt there

[Worst_to_First]

Lol you weren't here. This whole board was very down on Tatum and wanted no parts of him and wanted to draft players like Frank over him cause we needed a point guard. I battled the whole board. It's the same thing with Wiseman. Wiseman is another highly touted player but this board is very down on him and insists we draft inferior point guards over the way better prospect cause we need a point guard. It's a foolish and a dumb mindset.

Lets keep it real, Mitch has shown no indication that he's going to be shooting jumpers and being a beast on the block like Wiseman. Mitch is a rim running big like Capela, which isn't bad. . But I rather have an Embiid/AD/Ayton type prospect with Wiseman. At most I see Mitch shooting a jumper here and there like Tyson did for us in 2014 which was awful.

Also I would not call the Ringer "experts" in drafts. They've been very off in their mocks and analyis over the last couple of years.

First of all, don't let my numbers fool you, I've been around longer than you think.

Secondly, what you're saying is pure folly and disingenuous. The "whole " board wasn't down on Tatum and very few cept the Euro crowd knew much about Frank. So Frank wasn't a unanimous pick as you are insinuating.

You def weren't here if you believe that.

About 95% of this board hated Tatum. Go ask Worst_To_First. Me and him were the biggest Tatum fans that year. I would say Greenie too but shes not here and you don't know her. Unless you're a previously banned poster. There was a few other Tatum fans but not much. People thought he reminded them of Melo too much and wanted no parts of him. Go look in the draft threads since you weren't here.

Yes I remember those times.

To be honest I was also high on Josh Jackson as the other wing during that time although I was worried on his short wingspan. I commend you for being that steadfast on Tatum. Tatum’s skillset and physical measurable were sort of one that would give a franchise another shot at a Carmelo Anthony type of player but is one that you could mold better.

The 2017 draft is memorable as it is one that fans should study closely given the mistakes that were made by certain teams.

[spree8]

Lol you weren't here. This whole board was very down on Tatum and wanted no parts of him and wanted to draft players like Frank over him cause we needed a point guard. I battled the whole board. It's the same thing with Wiseman. Wiseman is another highly touted player but this board is very down on him and insists we draft inferior point guards over the way better prospect cause we need a point guard. It's a foolish and a dumb mindset.

Lets keep it real, Mitch has shown no indication that he's going to be shooting jumpers and being a beast on the block like Wiseman. Mitch is a rim running big like Capela, which isn't bad. . But I rather have an Embiid/AD/Ayton type prospect with Wiseman. At most I see Mitch shooting a jumper here and there like Tyson did for us in 2014 which was awful.

Also I would not call the Ringer "experts" in drafts. They've been very off in their mocks and analyis over the last couple of years.

I liked Tatum... thought he was a Melo/Granger hybrid, but yea I was one of the ones who had him behind all the pg’s like Ball, DSJr, Fultz n Frank. Learned my lesson about drafting for need... that’s why Wiseman is 1st on my list.

Most were between Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball at #1, so did most drafts. Facts.
That's why Wiseman in this draft may be #1, but he's not going to come off like you two are projecting. To me even Tyrese Haliburton, my personal favorite, is going struggle. But by time is all said is done, Tyrese will fill a need, while playing alongside possible future all-star Mitchell Robinson.

Why wouldn't with a pick of Wiseman trade off 2 or three slots and get ANOTHER possible lottery pick in LOADED 2021?

There are 4-5 very good guards in this years draft, separated by thismuch all with in reach of us getting 3 of them. And another #1?

Explain.

I don’t think anyone is going to trade a 2021 1st to move up a few slots in this draft.

I like Mitch but Wiseman I think has much more potential on offense despite not being as good as Mitch (although good) on defense. If we make it to the playoffs within the next 3-5 years, his skill set will be a huge help.

There are a a lot of good guards in this draft that I’d be happy with, but I’d prefer Wiseman because of his star potential and impact. I doubt we even get him, but he’s just my preference.

[Zenzibar]

You def weren't here if you believe that.

About 95% of this board hated Tatum. Go ask Worst_To_First. Me and him were the biggest Tatum fans that year. I would say Greenie too but shes not here and you don't know her. Unless you're a previously banned poster. There was a few other Tatum fans but not much. People thought he reminded them of Melo too much and wanted no parts of him. Go look in the draft threads since you weren't here.

Stop clowning yourself my dude, you don't know if I was here not.

It's pretty obvious you weren't. You exposed your self


And to say that very few people knew about Frank is hilarious. When do you think the term "Frankfrooters" came to life? So stop it. Frank was talked about immensely during those threads and we even had people here watching his live games. Those threads were completely different than how it is now. I miss those days. Too bad you wasnt there

You don't say.

[Worst_to_First]

It pains me to see that liking Wiseman still equates to disrespecting Mitch.

[3toheadmelo]

It pains me to see that liking Wiseman still equates to disrespecting Mitch.

Yeah that post was bad

[Zenzibar]

It pains me to see that liking Wiseman still equates to disrespecting Mitch.

Yeah that post was bad

Your love for Wiseman is a bad look for Mitch, so where are you? You're saying Wiseman is a power forward?

[Richard4444]

You can look back and find busts for point guards, shooting guards.. etc in the top 10 in every draft. It's hit or miss with anyone basically.

I made a research from a random Top NBA players I found the Internet.

From the First 20 Bigs on the list: 10 were drafted after Top 15: Jokic, Gobert, Draymond Green, Siakam, Vuc, Capela, Harrel, Milsap and John Collins.

From the first 36 Guards/Fowards on the list, only 5 players were drafted past 15th choice: Butler, Tobias Harris, Middleton, Jrue and Lowry, Real different makers guards/forwards are found in the first positions of the draft.

Its easier to identify great wings and PGs in the draft. Choosing Bigs is more like a crap shot.

[3toheadmelo]

It pains me to see that liking Wiseman still equates to disrespecting Mitch.

Yeah that post was bad

Your love for Wiseman is a bad look for Mitch, so where are you? You're saying Wiseman is a power forward?

Just because we think Wiseman has a lot more potential than Mitch, it doesn't mean we're disrespecting him. It's as simple as that

[Richard4444]

If we keep Mitch and Wiseman, 2 years from now, we will be desperate to trade the worst one. And every team will know that and lowball us.

[robillionaire]

The only way I think it would make sense to get rid of Mitch and try to get wiseman is if the Knicks don't like mitch because of some sort of maturity or coaching or off the court issue. I honestly don't know how the knicks feel about mitch. You never hear anything about it one way or the other, and they benched him for taj gibson

if the knicks still think he's a good kid and coachable it would be insane to trade him

[spree8]

If we keep Mitch and Wiseman, 2 years from now, we will be desperate to trade the worst one. And every team will know that and lowball us.

If we drafted Wiseman, it’d be best to have deals lined up for Mitch beforehand. If not, trading Mitch right after would be the smart move.