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M-C-G wrote:
I think what we are saying is in that Dallas game, we recognized he had a chance to be really good. There was something about that game that just made me think, huh, dude can play.
Not to mention that prior to that Dallas game he had looked like trash for the most part in his pre-seasonsM-C-G wrote:Frank Nova wrote:FAH1223 wrote:
He played in a blowout loss to the Ravens in 2005 and looked awful too.
It’s shocking to me to hear anyone say they had that type of confidence in Rodgers taking over. I vaguely remember the Dallas game as much as the 1st 2 seasons he had phantom season ending injuries. I remember being insanely pessimistic going from 4 to 12, even that 1st 6-10 season as a starter I thought we were stupid for pushing Brett out the door. His 2nd year as a starter in 09-10 was when the I became optimistic I was wrong and we had a potential superstar QB and he won his ship the following year. It took damn near 5yrs for Rodgers to prove he was the man.
I think what we are saying is in that Dallas game, we recognized he had a chance to be really good. There was something about that game that just made me think, huh, dude can play.
Actually if you look at his stats no it isn't. In fact its ridiculous that one would think that its outlandish to point it outskones wrote:RRyder823 wrote:
What exactly is this statement based on? Because the last two years he's been a pretty average QB.
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Except that that's not even close to being true. Feel free to take a look at what's "average" in the NFL. It's not Aaron Rodgers, and it's flat out ridiculous that you think so.
NFL insider notes: Why 9-7 record might win bumbling NFC North,.....
by Jason La Canforna
I find myself fascinated by the NFC North these days.
Every coach and executive in the division is either already on notice that change may be in the air, or, in the case of the Packers, has gone out of their way to put themselves on notice by their recent actions. The baffling moves and strange decisions have occurred in droves. Handicap this group as you wish.
Whichever team you prefer, it is fair to say that a very strange 2020 has included no shortage of plot twists from this division. At best, a team or two within this division might be moving sideways. But it's difficult to glean a whole lot of progress by any of them, and if anything this offseason has been about opportunities lost for this collective.
The Packers have picked a fight with Aaron Rodgers by continuing to neglect their offensive shortcomings, reaching and trading up to draft his replacement, creating a two-year window to win with their current starter and ignoring pass catchers by and large at a time when they were being selected at a record rate. The Lions brass was already informed a year ago – publicly and privately – that they'd best improve on their 2019 results or else. The Vikings coach and GM are entering a lame duck year. The Bears should thank Bill O'Brien for his exploits, lest their decision-makers would be getting more buried then they already are.
Green Bay was quite fortunate in my estimation – and in that of numerous evaluators I have chatted with – to finish where it did a year ago. The Packers lost a stud tackle and haven't upgraded much on offense, are stuck with a defensive coordinator who many would have moved on from, and now have an angry Rodgers on their hands. Godspeed. The Lions had best have a top 10-ish defense this season or heads will roll, and the decision to take Jeff Okudah over Derrick Brown will be watched closely for years.
The Vikings are the only team in the division whose draft is earning accolades from executives I trust, but even then there are questions about extending Kirk Cousins and keeping this group together despite cap issues and productivity issues. And the team's hallmark under Mike Zimmer, its defense, has been getting worse each year. Oh yeah, and the whole lame duck thing. And the Bears, well, having all of the tight ends and none of the quarterbacks is probably not the most cogent team building plan, but who knows? Maybe they're stumbled onto something. I mean, trading a fourth-round pick for Nick Foles and his ridiculous $21M in guarantees at a time when Cam Newton and Andy Dalton are released and Jameis Winston signs for $1M probably is a little backwards.
Someone will win this division and reach the playoffs, because, well, some team has to. But this smells an awful lot to me like the NFC East did a year ago, and I'd suggest that 9-7 wins the division and it might not even be that good.
2020 NFL Draft NFC North reset: Division odds, team grades, best picks, 2021 mock draft and more
Checking in with the Bears, Packers, Vikings, and Lions after the 2020 NFL Draft as we already look ahead to 2021
Sean Wagner-McGough
mugshotby Sean Wagner-McGough
@seanjwagner
May 1, 2020
The NFC North, once again, belongs to the Green Bay Packers. Since Aaron Rodgers took over as their starting quarterback, the Packers have captured six division crowns in twice as many seasons, the sixth of which came this past season over a 10-6 Vikings team, a solid but disappointing 8-8 Bears team, and a train wreck 3-12-1 Lions team. But after the Packers' disaster of a draft that was arguably the worst of any team -- not just in the NFC North, but across the entire NFL -- the division is wide open.
Green Bay Packers
Team Grade: D (Pete Prisco)
***Best pick: Jordan Love (Josh Edwards)
***Most questionable pick: Josiah Deguara (Josh Edwards)
***2021 mock draft pick: Rondale Moore (Ryan Wilson)
***Biggest fantasy question: Will Aaron Jones lose substantial work around the goal line? (Ben Gretch)
***SportsLine's 2020 win projection: 8.0
***season win total: 9 (Over -110)
***odds to win division: +140
***odds to win Super Bowl: +1800
By far, the worst draft across the league belonged to the Green Bay Packers. It's not all about Jordan Love, who at least has the potential to morph into a worthy successor to Aaron Rodgers' throne. It's more about what they did after trading up for Love in the first round. The Packers needed to give Rodgers some additional help at receiver to go along with Davante Adams. Instead, they took a running back in Round 2 who is unlikely to contribute in the passing game, even though they already have Aaron Jones. A.J. Dillon caught 21 passes during his career at Boston College. Then, the Packers took tight end Josiah Deguara in the third round, who should be an H-back in the NFL. To make matters worse, in arguably the deepest receiver draft in NFL history, the Packers didn't use any of their nine picks on a receiver. Which is probably why Rodgers isn't exactly happy right about now, at least that's what Brett Favre, who has spoken to his former teammate, indicated.
It was a puzzling draft for the Packers. There's no way around that. Of course, if Love ends up developing into a franchise quarterback, nobody will care about the lack of receivers or the old-school running back or the H-back. A lot is riding on one player's development.
RRyder823 wrote:Actually if you look at his stats no it isn't. In fact its ridiculous that one would think that its outlandish to point it outskones wrote:RRyder823 wrote:
What exactly is this statement based on? Because the last two years he's been a pretty average QB.
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Except that that's not even close to being true. Feel free to take a look at what's "average" in the NFL. It's not Aaron Rodgers, and it's flat out ridiculous that you think so.
I'd say you could just watch his play the last two years (instead of looking at the stats) but people apparently didn't watch him play the last two years (yeah yeah I know its always someone else's fault like MM or MLF but never Rodgers decline)
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skones wrote:
AcTuAlLy If YoU lOoK aT hIs StAtS.
I told you to look at what average in the NFL was, you didn't, so let's go.
Average in the NFL? Garoppolo, Carr, Fitzpatrick. But I guess people, meaning you, apparently have zero awareness of what an actual average NFL QB is. You want to know what average quarterbacks do? They turn the ball over. 30 QBs in the NFL played 10 games or more last season. They threw an average of 10.7 picks. Per 16 games, that number escalates a full pick. 11.7 interceptions among those guys per 16 games. You want to know what average QBs also do? They lose ball games. We went 13-3 because we DON'T have an average QB. Rodgers is head and shoulders above "average."
QB is a nuanced position. Yes Rodgers misses throws, he makes mistakes. Average NFL QBs make a lot more mistakes.
Reddeye wrote:skones wrote:
AcTuAlLy If YoU lOoK aT hIs StAtS.
I told you to look at what average in the NFL was, you didn't, so let's go.
Average in the NFL? Garoppolo, Carr, Fitzpatrick. But I guess people, meaning you, apparently have zero awareness of what an actual average NFL QB is. You want to know what average quarterbacks do? They turn the ball over. 30 QBs in the NFL played 10 games or more last season. They threw an average of 10.7 picks. Per 16 games, that number escalates a full pick. 11.7 interceptions among those guys per 16 games. You want to know what average QBs also do? They lose ball games. We went 13-3 because we DON'T have an average QB. Rodgers is head and shoulders above "average."
QB is a nuanced position. Yes Rodgers misses throws, he makes mistakes. Average NFL QBs make a lot more mistakes.
Rodgers was
12th in QB rating
20th in QBR
21st in Completion %
17th in YPA
Garoppolo and Carr were at least top 12 in all 4 categories. So if they are average Rodgers was well below average last season.
skones wrote:Reddeye wrote:skones wrote:
AcTuAlLy If YoU lOoK aT hIs StAtS.
I told you to look at what average in the NFL was, you didn't, so let's go.
Average in the NFL? Garoppolo, Carr, Fitzpatrick. But I guess people, meaning you, apparently have zero awareness of what an actual average NFL QB is. You want to know what average quarterbacks do? They turn the ball over. 30 QBs in the NFL played 10 games or more last season. They threw an average of 10.7 picks. Per 16 games, that number escalates a full pick. 11.7 interceptions among those guys per 16 games. You want to know what average QBs also do? They lose ball games. We went 13-3 because we DON'T have an average QB. Rodgers is head and shoulders above "average."
QB is a nuanced position. Yes Rodgers misses throws, he makes mistakes. Average NFL QBs make a lot more mistakes.
Rodgers was
12th in QB rating
20th in QBR
21st in Completion %
17th in YPA
Garoppolo and Carr were at least top 12 in all 4 categories. So if they are average Rodgers was well below average last season.
Sure, if QB wasn't a more nuanced position involving decisions on a play to play basis that don't show up on a stat sheet. Because, ya know, it's not like pre-snap command of the offense is a crucial part of playing the position or anything. Nothing like believing this team would be better off with Derek **** Carr under center last year because he was top 12 in those categories though!
Reddeye wrote:
QBR was designed to take a lot of that into account. Also never said I would rather have Carr. Just said that Rodgers season last year was worse statistically than Carr.
Daver wrote:Maybe the receiving core isnt that bad and rodgers just has tunnel vision for adams which makes it look like his other wos are never open