2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[RHODEY]

No we need to definitely overthink our pick....Im not looking to get stuck with DSJ 2.0

When you realize he's a completely different player than DSJ then there's no point in even thinking about being stuck with DSJ 2.0

I will say this: Cole seems to play on defense, and I like that. I think the big question for him is how much he was held back by his team. I have to admit that I have a bias against the Cole pick because it seems like the FO has already anointed him as our successor at PG, and I don't trust them at all. However, he's not a Knox pick, in which we all realized that he didn't really play d and were trusting in our coaching staff to develop him.

Good for him ...Im not going to argue about his serviceability, he's a dog, but @ 6th or higher....... ?

[CoreyVillains]

This one took a while to put together but finally dropped the full 16 minute Killian Hayes breakdown.

Watch on YouTube

[HEZI]

Cole in an NBA type of setting with pace and space is a different cat. Best thing to happen to the Knicks was him going to UNC and playing in that outdated style of offense they ran this year with terrible floor spacing and no perimeter help whatsoever and having his stock as low as it is now. We got a shot to actually pick up a legit NBA guard with franchise PG potential in the 6-10 range. Don't overthink it, it's not that complicated

I do believe Cole will be a better NBA player than college player. I think he has his head on straight and love the idea of a guard that can knock down shots with confidence.

However, I’m concerned with his ability to consistently break defenders down off the dribble and making the right plays. Think about Trae Young. It looks like he slips past his guy almost every time with ease and is fantastic (although really annoying) at drawing fouls. Think we need a guy that can sell calls like that, which pains me to say.

Just seems to me Cole is a little clunky going to the rim. Too much barreling into people rather than slipping through for scoop layups or floaters.

Think his ceiling is Kyle Lowry.

I see shades of different players with Cole so its hard to put a ceiling on him. He's different than Trae though and I agree but Cole has a stronger frame and build and he's a lot more athletic than Lowry. His attacking the basket is similar to Derrick Rose, more Detroit version than Chicago version but he's a much better outside shooter than Rose. Maybe Cole's ceiling is Dame Lillard, he's got the standstill jumper with range that is very Lillard like, I don't know if he ever reaches that level but I like the glimpses.

[HEZI]

When you realize he's a completely different player than DSJ then there's no point in even thinking about being stuck with DSJ 2.0

I will say this: Cole seems to play on defense, and I like that. I think the big question for him is how much he was held back by his team. I have to admit that I have a bias against the Cole pick because it seems like the FO has already anointed him as our successor at PG, and I don't trust them at all. However, he's not a Knox pick, in which we all realized that he didn't really play d and were trusting in our coaching staff to develop him.

Good for him ...Im not going to argue about his serviceability, he's a dog, but @ 6th or higher....... ?

There's nothing about it

We aint taking Deni Avdija with a top 6 pick that would be disgusting. Lamelo Ball is overrated. We aint taking James Wiseman for obvious reasons. Obi Toppin would be great to get but we need a PG desperately. Killian Hayes aint better than Cole. Tyrese Haliburton might be an option but it's not a clear cut option. Isaac Okoro plays the same position that RJ needs to play, would be a terrible fit pairing them together.

[Traveyknicks23]

I will say this: Cole seems to play on defense, and I like that. I think the big question for him is how much he was held back by his team. I have to admit that I have a bias against the Cole pick because it seems like the FO has already anointed him as our successor at PG, and I don't trust them at all. However, he's not a Knox pick, in which we all realized that he didn't really play d and were trusting in our coaching staff to develop him.

Good for him ...Im not going to argue about his serviceability, he's a dog, but @ 6th or higher....... ?

There's nothing about it

We aint taking Deni Avdija with a top 6 pick that would be disgusting. Lamelo Ball is overrated. We aint taking James Wiseman for obvious reasons. Obi Toppin would be great to get but we need a PG desperately. Killian Hayes aint better than Cole. Tyrese Haliburton might be an option but it's not a clear cut option. Isaac Okoro plays the same position that RJ needs to play, would be a terrible fit pairing them together.

I want no parts of tyrese Halliburton he has role player written all over him

[3toheadmelo]

If we’re picking in the 8-10 range I would take a shot at Cole. Anything higher..nah

[RHODEY]

I will say this: Cole seems to play on defense, and I like that. I think the big question for him is how much he was held back by his team. I have to admit that I have a bias against the Cole pick because it seems like the FO has already anointed him as our successor at PG, and I don't trust them at all. However, he's not a Knox pick, in which we all realized that he didn't really play d and were trusting in our coaching staff to develop him.

Good for him ...Im not going to argue about his serviceability, he's a dog, but @ 6th or higher....... ?

There's nothing about it

We aint taking Deni Avdija with a top 6 pick that would be disgusting. Lamelo Ball is overrated. We aint taking James Wiseman for obvious reasons. Obi Toppin would be great to get but we need a PG desperately. Killian Hayes aint better than Cole. Tyrese Haliburton might be an option but it's not a clear cut option. Isaac Okoro plays the same position that RJ needs to play, would be a terrible fit pairing them together.

You'd take COle over Lamelo and Hayes? I would take Hali, Hayes Kira Lewis and Lamelo over Cole - no question. Cole for me is neckand neck with Maledon.

[Zenzibar]

Good for him ...Im not going to argue about his serviceability, he's a dog, but @ 6th or higher....... ?

There's nothing about it

We aint taking Deni Avdija with a top 6 pick that would be disgusting. Lamelo Ball is overrated. We aint taking James Wiseman for obvious reasons. Obi Toppin would be great to get but we need a PG desperately. Killian Hayes aint better than Cole. Tyrese Haliburton might be an option but it's not a clear cut option. Isaac Okoro plays the same position that RJ needs to play, would be a terrible fit pairing them together.

You'd take COle over Lamelo and Hayes? I would take Hali, Hayes Kira Lewis and Lamelo over Cole - no question. Cole for me is neckand neck with Maledon.

The thing is we have a shot at 3 point guards who are all within reach we're we pick. This draft is loaded with decent to good young guards. Any gems? Who knows, but you know one of them will and I'm liking where we're picking 1st and 2nd round.

What I'm saying is lets load up on a fresh corp. of guards.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.83073878.1315187994.1588211518-1461166198.1588211518

Look at the Ringer, the have almost every other pick a point guard, it's loaded! If the Knicks draft anything but guards, I'll smh.

Next year's draft is lots of big talent @ the 3/4, we'll go fishing for a big then.

[Zenzibar]

TERRENCE CLARK a name to remember for next year.

This is Clarke as a Freshman in high school!

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[malik959]

You def weren't here if you believe that.

About 95% of this board hated Tatum. Go ask Worst_To_First. Me and him were the biggest Tatum fans that year. I would say Greenie too but shes not here and you don't know her. Unless you're a previously banned poster. There was a few other Tatum fans but not much. People thought he reminded them of Melo too much and wanted no parts of him. Go look in the draft threads since you weren't here.

Stop clowning yourself my dude, you don't know if I was here not.

It's pretty obvious you weren't. You exposed your self


And to say that very few people knew about Frank is hilarious. When do you think the term "Frankfrooters" came to life? So stop it. Frank was talked about immensely during those threads and we even had people here watching his live games. Those threads were completely different than how it is now. I miss those days. Too bad you wasnt there

The Frank stans came to life just a few weeks leading up to the draft when we started hearing that the Knicks had liked Frank. Before this he was hardly even in the top ten in most draft boards. Just like if the media started hearing more news about the Knicks liking Kira Lewis you would start seeing him move up in the boards. As far as Tatum, there were a lot of people that felt he should go #1 to include myself. Like LaMelo Ball I was not a Alonzo fan and felt he was exposed when he went up against Foxx. I liked franks defense but the player I wanted most was Jonathan Isaac

[knickstape21]

Cole in an NBA type of setting with pace and space is a different cat. Best thing to happen to the Knicks was him going to UNC and playing in that outdated style of offense they ran this year with terrible floor spacing and no perimeter help whatsoever and having his stock as low as it is now. We got a shot to actually pick up a legit NBA guard with franchise PG potential in the 6-10 range. Don't overthink it, it's not that complicated

I do believe Cole will be a better NBA player than college player. I think he has his head on straight and love the idea of a guard that can knock down shots with confidence.

However, I’m concerned with his ability to consistently break defenders down off the dribble and making the right plays. Think about Trae Young. It looks like he slips past his guy almost every time with ease and is fantastic (although really annoying) at drawing fouls. Think we need a guy that can sell calls like that, which pains me to say.

Just seems to me Cole is a little clunky going to the rim. Too much barreling into people rather than slipping through for scoop layups or floaters.

Think his ceiling is Kyle Lowry.

I see shades of different players with Cole so its hard to put a ceiling on him. He's different than Trae though and I agree but Cole has a stronger frame and build and he's a lot more athletic than Lowry. His attacking the basket is similar to Derrick Rose, more Detroit version than Chicago version but he's a much better outside shooter than Rose. Maybe Cole's ceiling is Dame Lillard, he's got the standstill jumper with range that is very Lillard like, I don't know if he ever reaches that level but I like the glimpses.

Lillard is bold, but I could see it. I’m so mixed about him! Not sure I’ve ever felt this way about a prospect.

Wish we could just win the lottery for once. Just once. Take Edwards and really start this rebuild.

[HEZI]

Good for him ...Im not going to argue about his serviceability, he's a dog, but @ 6th or higher....... ?

There's nothing about it

We aint taking Deni Avdija with a top 6 pick that would be disgusting. Lamelo Ball is overrated. We aint taking James Wiseman for obvious reasons. Obi Toppin would be great to get but we need a PG desperately. Killian Hayes aint better than Cole. Tyrese Haliburton might be an option but it's not a clear cut option. Isaac Okoro plays the same position that RJ needs to play, would be a terrible fit pairing them together.

You'd take COle over Lamelo and Hayes? I would take Hali, Hayes Kira Lewis and Lamelo over Cole - no question. Cole for me is neckand neck with Maledon.

Would take Haliburton over Lamelo. Cole over Hayes. Tre Jones over Kira Lewis. Theo Maledon is garbage

[god shammgod]

as one of the few guys who always liked cole, they're not gonna take him if they move up or trade back for him. they're gonna take lamelo or edwards. at the spot we're at, yeah they probably take him there.

[Fat]

as one of the few guys who always liked cole, they're not gonna take him if they move up or trade back for him. they're gonna take lamelo or edwards. at the spot we're at, yeah they probably take him there.

Yea I been saying it’s going to be between hailburton or cole for the Knicks (if we stay in the range we are at)

[malik959]

This one took a while to put together but finally dropped the full 16 minute Killian Hayes breakdown.

Watch on YouTube

Thx Corey!!!!

[CoreyVillains]

This one took a while to put together but finally dropped the full 16 minute Killian Hayes breakdown.

Watch on YouTube

Thx Corey!!!!

No prob Malik!

[god shammgod]

as one of the few guys who always liked cole, they're not gonna take him if they move up or trade back for him. they're gonna take lamelo or edwards. at the spot we're at, yeah they probably take him there.

Yea I been saying it’s going to be between hailburton or cole for the Knicks (if we stay in the range we are at)

i don't see them taking haliburton. he's doesn't have any real "star" projection. he fits nice with rj but who really knows if rj is gonna be a star either. they gotta take a chance on someone with more potential upside. our talent level is abysmal.

[3toheadmelo]

as one of the few guys who always liked cole, they're not gonna take him if they move up or trade back for him. they're gonna take lamelo or edwards. at the spot we're at, yeah they probably take him there.

Whos your top 10?

[Fat]

as one of the few guys who always liked cole, they're not gonna take him if they move up or trade back for him. they're gonna take lamelo or edwards. at the spot we're at, yeah they probably take him there.

Yea I been saying it’s going to be between hailburton or cole for the Knicks (if we stay in the range we are at)

i don't see them taking haliburton. he's doesn't have any real "star" projection. he fits nice with rj but who really knows if rj is gonna be a star either. they gotta take a chance on someone with more potential upside. our talent level is abysmal.

Yeah I agree I think some in the FO will still have him as a strong candidate option but ultimately we take cole

[3toheadmelo]

Stop clowning yourself my dude, you don't know if I was here not.

It's pretty obvious you weren't. You exposed your self


And to say that very few people knew about Frank is hilarious. When do you think the term "Frankfrooters" came to life? So stop it. Frank was talked about immensely during those threads and we even had people here watching his live games. Those threads were completely different than how it is now. I miss those days. Too bad you wasnt there

The Frank stans came to life just a few weeks leading up to the draft when we started hearing that the Knicks had liked Frank. Before this he was hardly even in the top ten in most draft boards. Just like if the media started hearing more news about the Knicks liking Kira Lewis you would start seeing him move up in the boards. As far as Tatum, there were a lot of people that felt he should go #1 to include myself. Like LaMelo Ball I was not a Alonzo fan and felt he was exposed when he went up against Foxx. I liked franks defense but the player I wanted most was Jonathan Isaac

Not a lot of people liked Tatum here. Maybe outside of this board but def not here. Props to you tho.

The Frank gang movement was very strong during those times. I even rocked a Anti-Frankfrooter sig to show my non support for him and his fans I still have it saved

Isaac was very disliked around here. I remember he had a big fan of his. I think his name was dkilla? and he got banned