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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#681 » by getrichordie » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:30 pm

Anybody have Nate Hinton on their big board? Definitely one of my biggest sleepers.

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#682 » by youngWizzy » Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:28 am

Hello everybody,

Tool: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com

I recently developed an NBA Draft Comparison tool that has gained a good amount of popularity on Twitter by several draft analysts

The tool retrieves similar physical, statistical (per40), and advanced stat comparisons for any player dating back to the 2000 NBA Draft based on their position

Per 40 stat comparison can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/stats

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Advanced stat comparisons can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/advanced

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Physical comparisons can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/measurements

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A visualizations page which visualizes how a player compares to their position can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/visuals

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Note: Advanced stats only go back to the 2011 Draft and there are currently no physical comparisons for some of the 2020 prospects as the combine hasn't reported official measurements. Additionally, if you cannot find a player in the stats, visuals, or advanced pages you can enter their sports-reference url and the site will generate the comparisons then.

If you end up seeing this, any feedback/comments/suggestions that you have or would like me to add a feature to the website is something that I'd appreciate a whole lot. You can dm me here but preferable on twitter:youngwizzydfs and I will respond asap.

The experience is a lot better on desktop/laptop than mobile which is something I am working on right now
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#683 » by RiotPunch » Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:45 am

getrichordie wrote:Anybody have Nate Hinton on their big board? Definitely one of my biggest sleepers.

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He's in my Top-60.
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Post#684 » by TB » Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:06 pm

After watching about 15 minutes of Nate Hinton highlights, he reminds me of a shorter Matt Barnes. Definitely on my radar now for the Warriors 2nd round picks.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#685 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:26 pm

youngWizzy wrote:Hello everybody,

Tool: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com

I recently developed an NBA Draft Comparison tool that has gained a good amount of popularity on Twitter by several draft analysts

The tool retrieves similar physical, statistical (per40), and advanced stat comparisons for any player dating back to the 2000 NBA Draft based on their position

Per 40 stat comparison can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/stats

Image


Advanced stat comparisons can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/advanced

Image


Physical comparisons can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/measurements

Image


A visualizations page which visualizes how a player compares to their position can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/visuals

Image




Note: Advanced stats only go back to the 2011 Draft and there are currently no physical comparisons for some of the 2020 prospects as the combine hasn't reported official measurements. Additionally, if you cannot find a player in the stats, visuals, or advanced pages you can enter their sports-reference url and the site will generate the comparisons then.

If you end up seeing this, any feedback/comments/suggestions that you have or would like me to add a feature to the website is something that I'd appreciate a whole lot. You can dm me here but preferable on twitter:youngwizzydfs and I will respond asap.

The experience is a lot better on desktop/laptop than mobile which is something I am working on right now


This is really cool great work!

Do you anticipate adding the ability to search or filter the physical measurements database at a later date?
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Post#686 » by youngWizzy » Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:08 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
youngWizzy wrote:Hello everybody,

Tool: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com

I recently developed an NBA Draft Comparison tool that has gained a good amount of popularity on Twitter by several draft analysts

The tool retrieves similar physical, statistical (per40), and advanced stat comparisons for any player dating back to the 2000 NBA Draft based on their position

Per 40 stat comparison can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/stats

Image


Advanced stat comparisons can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/advanced

Image


Physical comparisons can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/measurements

Image


A visualizations page which visualizes how a player compares to their position can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/visuals

Image




Note: Advanced stats only go back to the 2011 Draft and there are currently no physical comparisons for some of the 2020 prospects as the combine hasn't reported official measurements. Additionally, if you cannot find a player in the stats, visuals, or advanced pages you can enter their sports-reference url and the site will generate the comparisons then.

If you end up seeing this, any feedback/comments/suggestions that you have or would like me to add a feature to the website is something that I'd appreciate a whole lot. You can dm me here but preferable on twitter:youngwizzydfs and I will respond asap.

The experience is a lot better on desktop/laptop than mobile which is something I am working on right now


This is really cool great work!

Do you anticipate adding the ability to search or filter the physical measurements database at a later date?


That's something I can do if people are interested. My goal initially was to provide the least amount of data on a page as possible so that the tool would be more intuitive.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#687 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:47 pm

youngWizzy wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
youngWizzy wrote:Hello everybody,

Tool: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com

I recently developed an NBA Draft Comparison tool that has gained a good amount of popularity on Twitter by several draft analysts

The tool retrieves similar physical, statistical (per40), and advanced stat comparisons for any player dating back to the 2000 NBA Draft based on their position

Per 40 stat comparison can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/stats

Image


Advanced stat comparisons can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/advanced

Image


Physical comparisons can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/measurements

Image


A visualizations page which visualizes how a player compares to their position can be found here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/visuals

Image




Note: Advanced stats only go back to the 2011 Draft and there are currently no physical comparisons for some of the 2020 prospects as the combine hasn't reported official measurements. Additionally, if you cannot find a player in the stats, visuals, or advanced pages you can enter their sports-reference url and the site will generate the comparisons then.

If you end up seeing this, any feedback/comments/suggestions that you have or would like me to add a feature to the website is something that I'd appreciate a whole lot. You can dm me here but preferable on twitter:youngwizzydfs and I will respond asap.

The experience is a lot better on desktop/laptop than mobile which is something I am working on right now


This is really cool great work!

Do you anticipate adding the ability to search or filter the physical measurements database at a later date?


That's something I can do if people are interested. My goal initially was to provide the least amount of data on a page as possible so that the tool would be more intuitive.



I think it be useful because you often know some measurements before the combine, so the ability to search would be helpful before the combine occurs (or if it happens at all this time)
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#688 » by getrichordie » Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:01 am

So at this point, who do you guys have as the better prospect: Hayes, Balls, or Haliburton, and why?
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Post#690 » by nolang1 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:15 am

getrichordie wrote:So at this point, who do you guys have as the better prospect: Hayes, Balls, or Haliburton, and why?


Hayes but all three are close enough that I’d be fine with trading down to take whoever the worst of the three is. I think Hayes as a passer is closer to those two than he’s given credit for, especially when based on form and free throw percentage Hayes seems to have a much better chance of being a weapon shooting off the dribble, which opens up the passing and everything else on offense. So basically Hayes has a much better chance of panning out as a primary creator, but it’s very possible that if Ball or Haliburton were placed in an ideal situation with other creators around them they’d look just as good or better. All three are probably top 5 for me.
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Post#691 » by clyde21 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:17 am

getrichordie wrote:So at this point, who do you guys have as the better prospect: Hayes, Balls, or Haliburton, and why?


Haliburton pretty easily for me, best defender, best off-ball, most versatile, higher impact on lower usage, more portable and easier to fit in your scheme
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Post#692 » by Mark_83 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:17 am

getrichordie wrote:So at this point, who do you guys have as the better prospect: Hayes, Balls, or Haliburton, and why?

I got Halliburton. A 6'5 pointguard with analytic friendly stats. Rare high floor high ceiling player imo.
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Post#693 » by The-Power » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:22 am

getrichordie wrote:So at this point, who do you guys have as the better prospect: Hayes, Balls, or Haliburton, and why?

Hayes, Haliburton, Ball. But all of them are in my top 5-6 (probably #1, #3 and #5 at this point).

Hayes, I believe, has the highest ceiling and a reasonably high floor. He's the only player out of these three who I believe has a chance to be a primary scorer and playmaker on a good team. His passing instincts are really good, so I expect him to be a good PnR player considering his other tools. He can hit the corner, he can hit his bigs, he can finish himself. Especially the way he can set up shooters out of the PnR (hopefully on both sides equally, though) will help him in the modern NBA, and he finds his bigs as well. His left-hand dominance will be an issue if it continues, but I believe he'll adjust – he's only 18, he's a natural, and his right hand is supposedly not bad, he just doesn't have the confidence in it yet compared to his left. The NBA will force him to adjust, and I believe he will be able to do that. His shooting needs improvement but his percentages at the line and his touch on floaters, as well as the fact that his pull-up 3 has been better than his catch-and-shoot 3, makes me confident he can use the pull-up game to his advantage. He competes on defense and has a good frame as well as size, so you don't have to worry about that as much as for other prospects – he can also defend some bigger players, which means he allows some defensive line-up versatility (e.g. you can play a smaller scoring-guard next to him). His isolation offense suffers a bit from the lack of a great first step, but he has the strength and handles to get into the paint and if he can leverage his pull-up a bit as I expect then I'm not worried about his ability to get to the rim fairly consistently.

Haliburton has been a favorite of mine for a long time. Loved him on Team USA and this season has solidified him as great prospect in my eyes. He's the best off-ball player out of the three. He makes really quick decisions with the ball which I love, it's perfect playing in a system predicated on ball-and-player-movement as well as next to a primary wing creator. He moves well and decisively off the ball. Vision and passing execution are on point, and he has been the most consistent shooter despite his odd form on the jumper. I have no worries that he'll be able to knock down NBA 3's, even deeper ones – the question is how reliable he can do it off the dribble. His defense is also good albeit his on-ball defense ceiling will in no small part be determined by how much strength he can add naturally. He has a really high floor but I believe his ceiling is a bit limited. That's because I don't see him as a primary scorer and I have doubts about him being a primary playmaker as well. Haliburton struggles to get to the rim, both in isolation and in PnR situations, which limits his ability to run the offense in the way most NBA offenses are run these days. His FTr is really low, which shows his issues with contact, and his pull-up game (both 3's and midrange) is rudimentary at this point and might be limited for mechanical reasons. I believe with limited rim pressure and the absence of a consistent pull-up game, it's going to be tough for him to be a primary offensive option. So I'd be surprised if he's indeed a top 3 player of this draft down the road; but I'd also be surprised if he's not at least a top 10 player. At worst, he's a player who can defend two positions, knock down open 3's reliably and contribute as an excellent secondary playmaker.

Ball has supreme talent but also the most flaws. He's 6'7 and has excellent passing, playmaking and ball handling skills. That package is really impressive, and he's quick as well (not elite but still quite good). He'll find players by seeing angles and using passes that most other players in the NBA, including most PGs, just can't. His shot versatility is also quite promising, with a nice array of floaters (he's definitely ahead of his brother in this regard). But the flaws are also obvious. 1) He doesn't know how to defend. He never had to and that comes back to bite him. He even has some good defensive possessions when he is locked in and not much movement and screening is happening. Then he can leverage his quick hands, light feet and length some. But as soon as anything happens that involves rotations, he's just completely lost and while you can work on it, it remains to be seen if he can ever develop the instincts he'd need to be a neutral or plus defender that he never had to learn (I have my doubts). Also, it remains to be seen how engaged he'll be. 2) He can't score efficiently. That's an issue, because it's essentially all over the floor. Poor shooting behind the arc, midrange game with flashes on floaters but overall not efficient, problems around the rim as he shies away from contact. He's super young, yes, but his struggles also happened in Australia – he'd have to improve in so many areas to become really efficient in the NBA. 3) It's not clear if he can really play within a team concept. So if he can't be a primary scorer, can he play well within a team concept? He has the tools, I believe, but not sure he has or will have the mindset for it. Still, he's an exceptionally skilled player with great vision which can't be disregarded. Comparisons are difficult with him. He'll either succeed in his own way or fail trying to do it his way, I expect. You'll have to roll the dice on him, but some team in the high lottery should because of how good he could be if his development – both mental and as a scorer – progresses well.
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Post#694 » by CoreyVillains » Fri May 1, 2020 4:03 pm

This one took a while to put together but finally dropped the full 16 minute Killian Hayes breakdown.

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Post#695 » by getrichordie » Fri May 1, 2020 6:06 pm

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CoreyVillains wrote:This one took a while to put together but finally dropped the full 16 minute Killian Hayes breakdown.



Nice video, dude. Good job. +1.

I've updated my top 3 tiers. Here's a look at tiers 1-3 from my big board:

tier 1

James Wiseman*
Isaac Okoro


tier 2

Killian Hayes
Anthony Edwards*
Tyrese Maxey*
Devin Vassell*
Tyrese Haliburton*


tier 3

Tyler Bey*
Cole Anthony
Deni Avdija*
Onyeka Okungwu*
Aleksej Pokusevski
Isaiah Stewart
Jaden McDaniels
Kira Lewis Jr.*
R.J. Hampton*
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Post#696 » by getrichordie » Sat May 2, 2020 6:00 am

But according to Ric Bucher of Bleacher Report, they have identified a name at the top of their draft board.

A league source said the Warriors have Wiseman at the top of their draft board; understandable considering forward Dragan Bender, a late-season addition via two 10-day contracts, is the only 7-footer on the roster and 6'9" Kevon Looney is the only listed center.
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Post#697 » by Jamaaliver » Sun May 3, 2020 3:33 am

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Post#698 » by raleigh » Sun May 3, 2020 8:22 pm

youngWizzy wrote:Tool: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com


Wonderful work!

How can this tool incorporate player age/experience better? Any suggestions for youngWizzy?
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Post#699 » by Swish1906 » Sun May 3, 2020 11:38 pm

getrichordie wrote:
But according to Ric Bucher of Bleacher Report, they have identified a name at the top of their draft board.

A league source said the Warriors have Wiseman at the top of their draft board; understandable considering forward Dragan Bender, a late-season addition via two 10-day contracts, is the only 7-footer on the roster and 6'9" Kevon Looney is the only listed center.


Stopped reading at Ric Bucher....
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Post#700 » by tundraknight » Mon May 4, 2020 1:20 am

I’m just wondering how long the 2020 NBA Draft Lottery and actual 2020 Draft itself will be postponed.

With no end in sight to the pandemic, what if they just wait until next year and combine all of the prospects from the 2020 and 2021 Drafts and make it into one SUPER Draft?!

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