2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[HEZI]

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Not only did Haliburton lock up Kira Lewis but he destroyed him on the other end. No way would I reach for Lewis in the lotto or even trade down out the lotto to get him. Would rather take Haliburton if anything

I keep trying to talk myself into these other guys but after LaMelo and Edwards .. Haliburton still my guy. I like Lewis too though and if it’s between him and Cole, I’m taking Lewis.

Just to add .. I feel like Haliburton speed and footwork is very underrated

I like Haliburton more than Lamelo. Lamelo has the better handles but after that Haliburton is better than him in everything else. Even Lamelo's passing is overrated compared to Haliburton, they are both going to be high assists playmakers on the next level but Haliburton brings even more to the table overall.

[HEZI]

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Not only did Haliburton lock up Kira Lewis but he destroyed him on the other end. No way would I reach for Lewis in the lotto or even trade down out the lotto to get him. Would rather take Haliburton if anything

I'm glad to see others here warming up to Haliburton.

I'm a little passed the warming up stage with Haliburton. Been interested in him for a while now, don't even remember anybody talking about him until I brought him up in this thread

[HarthorneWingo]

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Not only did Haliburton lock up Kira Lewis but he destroyed him on the other end. No way would I reach for Lewis in the lotto or even trade down out the lotto to get him. Would rather take Haliburton if anything

I'm glad to see others here warming up to Haliburton.

I'm a little passed the warming up stage with Haliburton. Been interested in him for a while now, don't even remember anybody talking about him until I brought him up in this thread

Kira Lewis isn’t in the same league as Tyrese from that highlights clip. And the mechanics on his shot aren’t that bad after all. I got a better angle from that clip.

[HEZI]

I'm glad to see others here warming up to Haliburton.

I'm a little passed the warming up stage with Haliburton. Been interested in him for a while now, don't even remember anybody talking about him until I brought him up in this thread

Kira Lewis isn’t in the same league as Tyrese from that highlights clip. And the mechanics on his shot aren’t that bad after all. I got a better angle from that clip.

Yeah it's not even close. Kira Lewis looks like a solid NBA backup but he's not starter material imo.

[HerSports85]

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Had him skating the whole game

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He scored 20 points on 23 shots playing 39 minutes in a blowout loss

Cole dropped a near triple double on him in 32 minutes and barely broke a sweat

Cole had 13 on 13 shots. Kira had to force it this game, the team started off slow and no one else stepped up.

I believe this was the most shots he’s taken all season in a game and normally he’s not that inefficient. My point still remains though, he was driving right by Cole, and they ended up throwing other guys at him.

[HEZI]

Had him skating the whole game

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He scored 20 points on 23 shots playing 39 minutes in a blowout loss

Cole dropped a near triple double on him in 32 minutes and barely broke a sweat

Cole had 13 on 13 shots. Kira had to force it this game, the team started off slow and no one else stepped up.

I believe this was the most shots he’s taken all season in a game and normally he’s not that inefficient. My point still remains though, he was driving right by Cole, and they ended up throwing other guys at him.

He had 2 nice drives but other than that he didn't do much until the game was over and he was out there playing against UNC's bench. Meh

Tre Jones was way more impressive in both his matchups against Cole and Jones just looks like a better player than Lewis overall. Would rather take him before Lewis

And like I said Cole didn't even break a sweat that game against Lewis

This is what coasting to a W looks like

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[WargamesX]

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Not only did Haliburton lock up Kira Lewis but he destroyed him on the other end. No way would I reach for Lewis in the lotto or even trade down out the lotto to get him. Would rather take Haliburton if anything

I keep trying to talk myself into these other guys but after LaMelo and Edwards .. Haliburton still my guy. I like Lewis too though and if it’s between him and Cole, I’m taking Lewis.

Just to add .. I feel like Haliburton speed and footwork is very underrated

Also the score from that game puts it in perspective even better

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists FG 7-11 FG% 63.6%

Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds FG 3-13 FG% 23.1%

Keep in mind Lewis is a beast himself whose season stats was 18 pts a game at FG% 45%

Haliburton rocked him

[islanders11040]

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[WargamesX]

He scored 20 points on 23 shots playing 39 minutes in a blowout loss

Cole dropped a near triple double on him in 32 minutes and barely broke a sweat

Cole had 13 on 13 shots. Kira had to force it this game, the team started off slow and no one else stepped up.

I believe this was the most shots he’s taken all season in a game and normally he’s not that inefficient. My point still remains though, he was driving right by Cole, and they ended up throwing other guys at him.

He had 2 nice drives but other than that he didn't do much until the game was over and he was out there playing against UNC's bench. Meh

Tre Jones was way more impressive in both his matchups against Cole and Jones just looks like a better player than Lewis overall. Would rather take him before Lewis

And like I said Cole didn't even break a sweat that game against Lewis

This is what coasting to a W looks like

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Here's a better match up

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Anthony: 19 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist FG 6-13 FG% 46.2%
Pritchard: 19 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists FG 6-13 FG% 46.2%

Payton is a second-round pick (at best), and a college senior. So he has age on Cole, but still, it wasn't great seeing Payton literally shoot 3's over Anthony, get 3 foul calls on Anthony, and then when UNC puts other players on Pritchard defensively in the second half he becomes inefficient and starts missing and having TOs. Pritchard also played good defense on Anthony. Plus that 1 assist for the game from Cole is annoying. Looking at Cole's stats when he has 5 ast or more his team either won or if they lost it was by 1 pt.

I am not saying Cole is bad, but if there is a player this year who could have benefitted from the tournaments and combine it would have been Cole.

[HarthorneWingo]

Cole is not a top 10 pick

[HarthorneWingo]

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I'm sold.

[HEZI]

Cole had 13 on 13 shots. Kira had to force it this game, the team started off slow and no one else stepped up.

I believe this was the most shots he’s taken all season in a game and normally he’s not that inefficient. My point still remains though, he was driving right by Cole, and they ended up throwing other guys at him.

He had 2 nice drives but other than that he didn't do much until the game was over and he was out there playing against UNC's bench. Meh

Tre Jones was way more impressive in both his matchups against Cole and Jones just looks like a better player than Lewis overall. Would rather take him before Lewis

And like I said Cole didn't even break a sweat that game against Lewis

This is what coasting to a W looks like

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Here's a better match up

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Anthony: 19 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist FG 6-13 FG% 46.2%
Pritchard: 19 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists FG 6-13 FG% 46.2%

Payton is a second-round pick (at best), and a college senior. So he has age on Cole, but still, it wasn't great seeing Payton literally shoot 3's over Anthony, get 3 foul calls on Anthony, and then when UNC puts other players on Pritchard defensively in the second half he becomes inefficient and starts missing and having TOs. Pritchard also played good defense on Anthony. Plus that 1 assist for the game from Cole is annoying. Looking at Cole's stats when he has 5 ast or more his team either won or if they lost it was by 1 pt.

I am not saying Cole is bad, but if there is a player this year who could have benefitted from the tournaments and combine it would have been Cole.

Prichard played 37 minutes that game and Cole only played 28. Prichard hit contested 3s earlier on but then his legs got tired towards the end and he was bricking the same shots he was making earlier, it wasn't so much about who was guarding him. By the way I don't consider Cole a good defender especially on the perimeter. He can slide his feet inside the paint and take charges or dig for steals but he's not good at fighting over screens or staying in front of guys on the perimeter or even contesting shots. He's really weak as a perimeter defender but most NBA guards are, especially young ones. That's not too concerning because I always look at a guy's counter offense and can he hold his own in a duel, which Cole certainly has proven he can do. But it's going to be essential for Cole to play next to some better defenders and having a shotblocker that he can funnel guys to will be crucial no doubt about it.

[HEZI]

By the way, Anthony Edwards has his weaknesses also, as much as I like him and consider him the Number 1 overall pick, he still has concerns. The inconsistent shooting is one thing, although I love his shot mechanics and think he can become a lethal shooter the freshman percentages on his shooting were not impressive at all so I get the concerns there but this right here is on some Tim Hardaway Jr. level of bad defense

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I've seen Dion Waiters, Ben McLemore, THJ comparisons and hopefully that isn't the case with him. Would love to see him become way better than that but there are concerns there for sure

[robillionaire]

PGs:

Lamelo is the only PG prospect I’d really be excited about, would take 1st overall and throw a “after all these years we finally got a pg” party.

After that Hayes and Cole would be in my tier 2 and I might be unenthusiastically leaning towards Cole just because I know at least he will get you some buckets. I’m not entirely sure about the fit with Hayes and his left handed dominance although I’d still be optimistic if we walk away with him. This is considering 7th-8th pick. Wouldn’t reach for them over Edwards or Wiseman. But you could do worse at 7 or 8. Cole admittedly didn’t live up to the hype at UNC but I’m starting to be in the camp of thinking maybe he’s a little under rated at this point when people are putting him outside the top 10 and think it would be worth the gamble. Plus I just don’t like any other prospects that would be in that range enough to take over Hayes and Cole.

Maxey, Kira, Mannion, Maledon, Tre Jones, are in my “see who falls to 27” tier. Would not trade up for them. If I had to order them: Maxey, Kira, Mannion, Tre, Maledon.

Would not draft Haliburton top 8, I do think he has some skills but I don’t think he’s the kind of guard we need, his offensive ability is about the same as Frank as in he’s not a real scoring threat other than spot up or catch and shoot 3s, can’t really go to the rim or get to the line, can’t make pull-up jumpers, good defender but not as good as Frank, not as tall or large wingspan as frank, the main thing he has over him is is shooting and honestly Frank’s shooting confidence had been slowly improving, and I’m still not sure Haliburton’s shot isn’t fools gold because the form is so ugly. I see him more as a late lottery pick 10-14, would still take him over the “see who falls to 27” guys but below Lamelo Hayes and Cole.

I didn’t list Hampton because I’m not really sure if he’s a PG but I’d put him somewhere around late lottery like Haliburton. Between the two I’d take the upside of Hampton. These two are my tier 3.

Now that I’ve worked it all out in my head

1. LaMelo

2. Cole
3. Hayes (I keep going back and forth on the order of these two, today it’s Cole)

4. Hampton
5. Haliburton

6. Maxey
7. Kira
8. Mannion
9. Tre
10. Maledon

Don’t criticize this without putting your own top 1-10 PG. No ties

[robillionaire]

Cole in an NBA type of setting with pace and space is a different cat. Best thing to happen to the Knicks was him going to UNC and playing in that outdated style of offense they ran this year with terrible floor spacing and no perimeter help whatsoever and having his stock as low as it is now. We got a shot to actually pick up a legit NBA guard with franchise PG potential in the 6-10 range. Don't overthink it, it's not that complicated

I do believe Cole will be a better NBA player than college player. I think he has his head on straight and love the idea of a guard that can knock down shots with confidence.

However, I’m concerned with his ability to consistently break defenders down off the dribble and making the right plays. Think about Trae Young. It looks like he slips past his guy almost every time with ease and is fantastic (although really annoying) at drawing fouls. Think we need a guy that can sell calls like that, which pains me to say.

Just seems to me Cole is a little clunky going to the rim. Too much barreling into people rather than slipping through for scoop layups or floaters.

Think his ceiling is Kyle Lowry.

I know you meant that as an insult but Kyle Lowry for his shortcomings has been a winning player on winning teams, has made it in the league for 13 years, won a championship as a starting PG, and is a 6x all star. If we can get that at 7th or 8th pick the answer should be a resounding yes

[robillionaire]

Who was Gatorade player of the year tho

Who won the McDonalds’ MVP during Zion’s time?

Nassir Little?

Yep. He was also the Jordan Brand Classic MVP that year too. Then he went to UNC and was underwhelming... just like Cole Anthony.

That was a really good comeback, at least it would have been if you weren’t singing the praises of Nassir Little all last year, now u want to throw him under the bus just to take a shot at cole

[robillionaire]

Those weaknesses are very alarming. Yikes!

I still like his potential but man he's got a long way to go

Hi weaknesses kind of remind me of Frank. He might be the better shooter, but his speed, low athletic ability, sketchy court awareness when it comes to some of his passing, and lateral quickness screams Frank. just a better version of him.

Thought the exact same thing. Although he's craftier than Frank he's still raw and has a high bust potential. We absolutely can't afford to come out this draft with another Frank Ntilikina.

It’s interesting you would be so high on Haliburton then because from what I can tell his frame and game seems a lot closer to Frank’s than anybody else. I don’t see the Hayes comparison with Frank other than that they’re both French and raw af

[knickstape21]

Cole in an NBA type of setting with pace and space is a different cat. Best thing to happen to the Knicks was him going to UNC and playing in that outdated style of offense they ran this year with terrible floor spacing and no perimeter help whatsoever and having his stock as low as it is now. We got a shot to actually pick up a legit NBA guard with franchise PG potential in the 6-10 range. Don't overthink it, it's not that complicated

I do believe Cole will be a better NBA player than college player. I think he has his head on straight and love the idea of a guard that can knock down shots with confidence.

However, I’m concerned with his ability to consistently break defenders down off the dribble and making the right plays. Think about Trae Young. It looks like he slips past his guy almost every time with ease and is fantastic (although really annoying) at drawing fouls. Think we need a guy that can sell calls like that, which pains me to say.

Just seems to me Cole is a little clunky going to the rim. Too much barreling into people rather than slipping through for scoop layups or floaters.

Think his ceiling is Kyle Lowry.

I know you meant that as an insult but Kyle Lowry for his shortcomings has been a winning player on winning teams, has made it in the league for 13 years, won a championship as a starting PG, and is a 6x all star. If we can get that at 7th or 8th pick the answer should be a resounding yes

Haha not an insult at all. Lowry is really really really good. He does a ton of positive things in the court. We’d be lucky if Anthony made it there.

[Mecca]

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Not only did Haliburton lock up Kira Lewis but he destroyed him on the other end. No way would I reach for Lewis in the lotto or even trade down out the lotto to get him. Would rather take Haliburton if anything

I'm glad to see others here warming up to Haliburton.

I'm a little passed the warming up stage with Haliburton. Been interested in him for a while now, don't even remember anybody talking about him until I brought him up in this thread

Hezi was legit the first person to bring up Haliburton, lol. He put me on him back in December.

[Mecca]

To me it's LaMelo, Killian or Haliburton. All 3 would make me happy. Any other pick would annoy me.