2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably)

[CoreyVillains]

One final Killian Hayes teaser before I finish up my full breakdown. Two minutes of Hayes off the bounce shots.

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[Clint Eastwood]

Love Hayes footwork, but man that shot is inconsistent in its release. Don’t really know what to think.

[CoreyVillains]

Love Hayes footwork, but man that shot is inconsistent in its release. Don’t really know what to think.

I want to like him so much more than I do. He’s even more frustrating in C&S situations and man oh man does he struggle at the rim. He’s going to average a million TOs a game as a rookie, has a terrible habit of jumping on passes, and his handle is really shaky. But I love him as a p&r passer. He could really make our bigs better and he could play with Zach and Coby. I’m in on him at our pick where were at but he does have some major drawbacks.

[GimmeDat]

Love Hayes footwork, but man that shot is inconsistent in its release. Don’t really know what to think.

I want to like him so much more than I do. He’s even more frustrating in C&S situations and man oh man does he struggle at the rim. He’s going to average a million TOs a game as a rookie, has a terrible habit of jumping on passes, and his handle is really shaky. But I love him as a p&r passer. He could really make our bigs better and he could play with Zach and Coby. I’m in on him at our pick where were at but he does have some major drawbacks.

Correct me if I'm wrong Corey, I thought Hayes had been a good finisher at the rim in spite of his limitations?

[Senor Chang]

Love Hayes footwork, but man that shot is inconsistent in its release. Don’t really know what to think.

I want to like him so much more than I do. He’s even more frustrating in C&S situations and man oh man does he struggle at the rim. He’s going to average a million TOs a game as a rookie, has a terrible habit of jumping on passes, and his handle is really shaky. But I love him as a p&r passer. He could really make our bigs better and he could play with Zach and Coby. I’m in on him at our pick where were at but he does have some major drawbacks.

How would you compare him to Haliburton? Hayes seems to be getting more hype lately and im wondering why he's ranked higher than TH in some mocks.

[CoreyVillains]

Love Hayes footwork, but man that shot is inconsistent in its release. Don’t really know what to think.

I want to like him so much more than I do. He’s even more frustrating in C&S situations and man oh man does he struggle at the rim. He’s going to average a million TOs a game as a rookie, has a terrible habit of jumping on passes, and his handle is really shaky. But I love him as a p&r passer. He could really make our bigs better and he could play with Zach and Coby. I’m in on him at our pick where were at but he does have some major drawbacks.

Correct me if I'm wrong Corey, I thought Hayes had been a good finisher at the rim in spite of his limitations?

I don’t have synergy so I don’t know what the %s say, but if they’re good I’d imagine it’s due to easy buckets he gets from situations like playing the passing lanes well. Spots where he’s uncontested. I’ll put together a clip similar to the one above tomorrow to post here from the games I’ve watched of his rim finishing. It’s...not encouraging. He lacks touch and creativity plus he doesn’t have a quick first step to get separation. His floater is pretty good which is helpful. He doesn’t really like attacking and due to the lack of burst he struggles with it. Part of the reason he doesn’t shoot a lot of FTs.

[CoreyVillains]

Love Hayes footwork, but man that shot is inconsistent in its release. Don’t really know what to think.

I want to like him so much more than I do. He’s even more frustrating in C&S situations and man oh man does he struggle at the rim. He’s going to average a million TOs a game as a rookie, has a terrible habit of jumping on passes, and his handle is really shaky. But I love him as a p&r passer. He could really make our bigs better and he could play with Zach and Coby. I’m in on him at our pick where were at but he does have some major drawbacks.

How would you compare him to Haliburton? Hayes seems to be getting more hype lately and im wondering why he's ranked higher than TH in some mocks.

I haven’t watched Halliburton much yet beyond YouTube stuff, but I’ll get to him soon. They’re probably pretty similar prospects from the little I’ve seen of him but I think Hayes’ game is more aesthetically pleasing and natural looking. He has the Harden/D Lo step back which is en vogue right now. He’s also a little younger. That’d be my best guess at the moment.

[CoreyVillains]

Love Hayes footwork, but man that shot is inconsistent in its release. Don’t really know what to think.

I want to like him so much more than I do. He’s even more frustrating in C&S situations and man oh man does he struggle at the rim. He’s going to average a million TOs a game as a rookie, has a terrible habit of jumping on passes, and his handle is really shaky. But I love him as a p&r passer. He could really make our bigs better and he could play with Zach and Coby. I’m in on him at our pick where were at but he does have some major drawbacks.

Correct me if I'm wrong Corey, I thought Hayes had been a good finisher at the rim in spite of his limitations?

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[CoreyVillains]

This one took a while to put together but finally dropped the full 16 minute Killian Hayes breakdown.

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[TheSuzerain]

Love Hayes footwork, but man that shot is inconsistent in its release. Don’t really know what to think.

I want to like him so much more than I do. He’s even more frustrating in C&S situations and man oh man does he struggle at the rim. He’s going to average a million TOs a game as a rookie, has a terrible habit of jumping on passes, and his handle is really shaky. But I love him as a p&r passer. He could really make our bigs better and he could play with Zach and Coby. I’m in on him at our pick where were at but he does have some major drawbacks.

How would you compare him to Haliburton? Hayes seems to be getting more hype lately and im wondering why he's ranked higher than TH in some mocks.

Hayes can shoot 3's off the dribble potentially. Haliburton looks like more of a pure catch/shoot guy.

Also, finishing at the rim is not that important when evaluating a guard prospect. I recall Trae Young being bashed for the same reason.

[gardenofsound]

I want to like him so much more than I do. He’s even more frustrating in C&S situations and man oh man does he struggle at the rim. He’s going to average a million TOs a game as a rookie, has a terrible habit of jumping on passes, and his handle is really shaky. But I love him as a p&r passer. He could really make our bigs better and he could play with Zach and Coby. I’m in on him at our pick where were at but he does have some major drawbacks.

How would you compare him to Haliburton? Hayes seems to be getting more hype lately and im wondering why he's ranked higher than TH in some mocks.

Hayes can shoot 3's off the dribble potentially. Haliburton looks like more of a pure catch/shoot guy.

Also, finishing at the rim is not that important when evaluating a guard prospect. I recall Trae Young being bashed for the same reason.

Trey Young had other skills that made it easier to forgive his finishing ability (or lack thereof). I don't think you can make a blanket statement that finishing just isn't that important for any guard prospects. Context matters.

[TheSuzerain]

How would you compare him to Haliburton? Hayes seems to be getting more hype lately and im wondering why he's ranked higher than TH in some mocks.

Hayes can shoot 3's off the dribble potentially. Haliburton looks like more of a pure catch/shoot guy.

Also, finishing at the rim is not that important when evaluating a guard prospect. I recall Trae Young being bashed for the same reason.

Trey Young had other skills that made it easier to forgive his finishing ability (or lack thereof). I don't think you can make a blanket statement that finishing just isn't that important for any guard prospects. Context matters.

Well prospect Trae Young would go #1 easily in this class.

But the point remains that passing and shooting (especially off the dribble) are far more important than the ability to finish at the rim in the modern game for guards. Defensive ability/versatility also more important. As is ability to actually get into the paint.

[TheFinishSniper]

One final Killian Hayes teaser before I finish up my full breakdown. Two minutes of Hayes off the bounce shots.

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half harden, half cameron payne.

[Chi town]

So given what we know AK and Evs want in players...

Who is the winningest player, that moves the ball, can shoot, and can switch on multiple players on defense.

[Senor Chang]

I want to like him so much more than I do. He’s even more frustrating in C&S situations and man oh man does he struggle at the rim. He’s going to average a million TOs a game as a rookie, has a terrible habit of jumping on passes, and his handle is really shaky. But I love him as a p&r passer. He could really make our bigs better and he could play with Zach and Coby. I’m in on him at our pick where were at but he does have some major drawbacks.

How would you compare him to Haliburton? Hayes seems to be getting more hype lately and im wondering why he's ranked higher than TH in some mocks.

Hayes can shoot 3's off the dribble potentially. Haliburton looks like more of a pure catch/shoot guy.

Also, finishing at the rim is not that important when evaluating a guard prospect. I recall Trae Young being bashed for the same reason.

For the bulls i feel Haliburton would excel more than Hayes. Haliburton can play off Zach and Coby very well whereas Hayes needs the ball on his hands to make an impact.

[rtblues]

Hayes is really very left-hand dominant, something they will know and use in the NBA. It's fairly bad too, to the point where he'd rather try to finish a much more difficult left handed shot/layup than an easy right-handed shot. Having said that, there is room for upside, still very young, and German league has improved a lot and competing there does more for him than NCAA would have.
With a proper NBA development staff, cough-cough, wink-wink, he can break that habit and use his off hand more. He's going to have to in order to survive. Anyone remember Bulls player Bobby Weiss? The guy could go from end to end and never touch it with his right hand!

[TheSuzerain]

How would you compare him to Haliburton? Hayes seems to be getting more hype lately and im wondering why he's ranked higher than TH in some mocks.

Hayes can shoot 3's off the dribble potentially. Haliburton looks like more of a pure catch/shoot guy.

Also, finishing at the rim is not that important when evaluating a guard prospect. I recall Trae Young being bashed for the same reason.

For the bulls i feel Haliburton would excel more than Hayes. Haliburton can play off Zach and Coby very well whereas Hayes needs the ball on his hands to make an impact.

Lavine and White are completely inadequate as your perimeter initiators.

If the core was actually worth a damn, we wouldn't have seen the entire front office cleaned out.

In my opinion, we have zero core players worth building around. At most, I could see the new regime thinking of Zach as core.

If you're drafting Haliburton it better be in the hopes he can be a true lead guard. Not as a complement to our current team.

[Chi town]

Hayes can shoot 3's off the dribble potentially. Haliburton looks like more of a pure catch/shoot guy.

Also, finishing at the rim is not that important when evaluating a guard prospect. I recall Trae Young being bashed for the same reason.

For the bulls i feel Haliburton would excel more than Hayes. Haliburton can play off Zach and Coby very well whereas Hayes needs the ball on his hands to make an impact.

Lavine and White are completely inadequate as your perimeter initiators.

If the core was actually worth a damn, we wouldn't have seen the entire front office cleaned out.

In my opinion, we have zero core players worth building around. At most, I could see the new regime thinking of Zach as core.

If you're drafting Haliburton it better be in the hopes he can be a true lead guard. Not as a complement to our current team.

I tend to agree but I think it’s clear Evs thinks it due to player development and it seems they will give the young guys at least half a season with a development plan to improve... will probably also improve their trade value.

Evs mentioned he thought Coby had a really good rookie year and Carter is a guy we could build with (said he wants switchability and rim protection). Talked about Lauri and his modern stretch 4 and shooting stroke. Wants to know more about his regression.

He made it clear our shooting and rebounding was our biggest issue.

I think Hayes has a higher ceiling but a much lower floor than Hali. I think Hali has SGA ceiling.

[Senor Chang]

Hayes can shoot 3's off the dribble potentially. Haliburton looks like more of a pure catch/shoot guy.

Also, finishing at the rim is not that important when evaluating a guard prospect. I recall Trae Young being bashed for the same reason.

For the bulls i feel Haliburton would excel more than Hayes. Haliburton can play off Zach and Coby very well whereas Hayes needs the ball on his hands to make an impact.

Lavine and White are completely inadequate as your perimeter initiators.

If the core was actually worth a damn, we wouldn't have seen the entire front office cleaned out.

In my opinion, we have zero core players worth building around. At most, I could see the new regime thinking of Zach as core.

If you're drafting Haliburton it better be in the hopes he can be a true lead guard. Not as a complement to our current team.

The bulls are not getting rid of Zach or Coby just yet. I could see the FO giving them a year to evaluate what we have. With or without Zach and Coby i just think Haliburton is the better player (than Hayes). For all the people hating on Zach and even Coby for being too ball dominant , Haliburton seems like he is the anti-zach in some ways. Good/quick decision maker, efficient scorer, good defensive potential with the 7 foot wing span. If that 7 foot wingspan is legit then that is freakish length for a guard. Dwade is 6'4" with a 6'11" wingspan for comparison.

[The Box Office]

For the bulls i feel Haliburton would excel more than Hayes. Haliburton can play off Zach and Coby very well whereas Hayes needs the ball on his hands to make an impact.

Lavine and White are completely inadequate as your perimeter initiators.

If the core was actually worth a damn, we wouldn't have seen the entire front office cleaned out.

In my opinion, we have zero core players worth building around. At most, I could see the new regime thinking of Zach as core.

If you're drafting Haliburton it better be in the hopes he can be a true lead guard. Not as a complement to our current team.

The bulls are not getting rid of Zach or Coby just yet. I could see the FO giving them a year to evaluate what we have. With or without Zach and Coby i just think Haliburton is the better player (than Hayes). For all the people hating on Zach and even Coby for being too ball dominant , Haliburton seems like he is the anti-zach in some ways. Good/quick decision maker, efficient scorer, good defensive potential with the 7 foot wing span. If that 7 foot wingspan is legit then that is freakish length for a guard. Dwade is 6'4" with a 6'11" wingspan for comparison.

Agreed. I reshuffled my Top 5 when I examined Haliburton even more. His foundational base for perimeter defense is crazy.

- He has versatility guarding positions 1, 2, and 3.
- Gets a lot of steals
- Great court vision. This dude can handle and dish the rock. Looks like a Game One starter.
- 6-5 with 7-0 foot wing span. Kid covers a lot of space.

Would be very happy with Haliburton if we're at pick number 7 and he comes to us naturally. Coby White should be the scorer in the back court. Not the Facilitator/Play maker. Coby doesn't have that in him.