2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1

Negrodamus · Post #401 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:50 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Seems like a disingenuous grouping from that Max guy.

It was only a 14 game sample size and Nesmith was literally the hottest shooter on the planet. Of course he's going to be fed a ton of shots and not be moving the ball much.

4.3 made threes per game at a 52.2% clip.

I meant it more from the rest of the group, Nesmith aside. I know he had a smaller sample size this year so it's not particularly fair.

Kobblehead · Post #402 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:40 pm

Negro, what do you think about Saddiq Bey's shooting?

Negrodamus · Post #403 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:31 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Negro, what do you think about Saddiq Bey's shooting?

His form looks a little strange; does that across-the-body load up before release. However, I think many great scorers, like KD (also Markelle before his shot change...), has a similar minor hitch, so it's not a total red flag. He does do a weird squat which I feel like slows his release.

His three point shooting was obviously absurd on volume. FT is good, which is encouraging.

I think he could clean up some aspects and be a very good shooter in the NBA. He doesn't have a pure shot like Tatum or Mitchell did coming out of college.

Kobblehead · Post #404 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:26 pm

I think a lot is riding on Saddiq's shooting because I view him as a lost cause, defensively.

Negrodamus · Post #405 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:51 pm

Read on Twitter

Hield and Klay are the only two guys that are stars from this list. If I were a GM, regardless of where I'm drafting, I'm taking someone with an above 25% FTr, possibly above 30%, since that is where almost every allstar was located in college.

Negrodamus · Post #406 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:22 pm

Spoiler:

Not to belabor the point, but Saben Lee has Dwyane Wade attributes. I think if his team wasn't so atrocious and his W/L over the span of his career wasn't embarrassingly bad, he'd be a first rounder.

He obviously has flaws, like his shot and sometimes getting lost on defense, but he has elite attributes that shouldn't be ignored.

Kobblehead · Post #407 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun May 3, 2020 1:58 pm

163 early entries from underclassmen this year.

Ugh, that's going to take a while to sift through.

ProcessDoctor · Post #408 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Mon May 4, 2020 2:03 am

Jalen Smith looks like he could be that mid-late 1st round pick steal. His physique and advanced metrics are stellar.

Kobblehead · Post #409 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon May 4, 2020 12:57 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Jalen Smith looks like he could be that mid-late 1st round pick steal. His physique and advanced metrics are stellar.

His upper-body physique is stellar, but he looks like Bamba/Noel in the lower body. Very weak power base.

I think he'll be covetable on offense because of his stretch abilities, but I see him being a huge switch liability on defense. If I was a team looking for a big, I'd much prefer Xavier Tillman. Tillman is a non-exploitable defender on switches that also has a great power base to defend in the post. And offensively, he's a fantastic passer. He's basically a version of Horford.

Negrodamus · Post #410 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon May 4, 2020 1:24 pm

The more I watch Malik Fitts, the more I’m convinced he’s a first rounder. He feels like a Thaddeus Young but with a better shooting upside. I’d love for us to take him and initially pigeonhole him as the Tatum/Giannis/Durant defending role player while he adjusts his form. Currently a good spot up shooter, but doesn’t look completely comfortable.

Kobblehead · Post #411 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon May 4, 2020 1:27 pm

Onyeka Okongwu
Xavier Tillman
Precious Achiuwa
Paul Reed
Patrick Williams

Only non-ball handlers I'd value in the first round.

Mik317 · Post #412 » by **Mik317** » Mon May 4, 2020 1:27 pm

Because I skipped out on watching much college ball (due to us not having a pick), I swear sometimes I think yall are making dudes up because holy **** I am even more out of my depth this year than any other lol.

Kobblehead · Post #413 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon May 4, 2020 1:45 pm

Negrodamus wrote:The more I watch Malik Fitts, the more I’m convinced he’s a first rounder. He feels like a Thaddeus Young but with a better shooting upside. I’d love for us to take him and initially pigeonhole him as the Tatum/Giannis/Durant defending role player while he adjusts his form. Currently a good spot up shooter, but doesn’t look completely comfortable.

Honestly, I think he looks like the most unguardable F in this draft. That single digit assist percentage thing is a problem, though. I can't see him being liked by teammates. For one, they'll feel threatened by him because he's such a fantastic 1-on-1 player. And secondly, he'd going to be slapped with the ball stopper label and he'll be resented. And the fact that he's not a great defender doesn't help matters.

Kobblehead · Post #414 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon May 4, 2020 1:57 pm

I think there's a lot of Corey Maggette to Malik Fitts' game.

Talented enough to be a #1 option. Maybe doesn't play the game the right way (defense, ball movement) to be a winner.

If he adopts his mindset to be a better team player, the sky is the limit.

Negrodamus · Post #415 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon May 4, 2020 2:03 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:The more I watch Malik Fitts, the more I’m convinced he’s a first rounder. He feels like a Thaddeus Young but with a better shooting upside. I’d love for us to take him and initially pigeonhole him as the Tatum/Giannis/Durant defending role player while he adjusts his form. Currently a good spot up shooter, but doesn’t look completely comfortable.

Honestly, I think he looks like the most unguardable F in this draft. That single digit assist percentage thing is a problem, though. I can't see him being liked by teammates. For one, they'll feel threatened by him because he's such a fantastic 1-on-1 player. And secondly, he'd going to be slapped with the ball stopper label and he'll be resented. And the fact that he's not a great defender doesn't help matters.

Well, to be fair, he was playing on a team where it was only him and Jordan Ford scoring, but I agree that his passing is certainly an issue.

I also think that any feeling of inferiority/superiority will be muted by the fact that he'll be, at most, a late first rounder, likely second rounder. He doesn't have the equity, yet, to call any shots.

Kobblehead · Post #416 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon May 4, 2020 2:19 pm

Even at South Florida as a freshman when he had 3 scoring options head of him, he had a single digit assist percentage. I think he's just a ball stopper by nature.

Negrodamus · Post #417 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon May 4, 2020 2:36 pm

True, just one of the warts that has him later in the draft. I’d rather get the guy with all the tools and figure it out later than deal with major deficiencies that will make the prospect, at best, a role player.

Kobblehead · Post #418 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon May 4, 2020 3:35 pm

I would draft him, stick him in the G-League and tell him he's never stepping foot on an NBA court until he learns how to pass.

Negrodamus · Post #419 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon May 4, 2020 4:14 pm

I think we should be doing that with every player we draft moving forward unless they are clearly special in training camp. We need to stop taking Thybulles and focus on more athletic Shakes and Shayoks that need to fix aspects of their games, ie shooting or distributing.

I actually appreciate them drafting Shake and Shayok later in the draft because they possess the skills to be multifaceted offensive threats. Thybulle gets steals, sometimes blocks, gets caught fouling, and has an extremely unreliable shot on offense generated for him. I just don't expect him to learn how to do these things.

Kobblehead · Post #420 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 5, 2020 1:09 am

I wouldn't be surprised if we traded up a few slots for Devin Vassell. Between him and Thybulle, one is bound to develop a jumper and be the plus starter we're looking for.