Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

[RRyder823]

Its not dishonest in the least. Saying "There's only 5 QBs that are more talented then Rodgers right now" is trying to rank Rodgers in the top tier of QBs.

If you think that's misrepresenting you then I'd suggest you choose your words better



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Saying he is in that talent bracket, means I said he was in that talent bracket. It DOES NOT say that I thought he played top 6 for the position this past season.

It IS misrepresenting. I chose my words just fine.

Whatever man. Saying "he's in the top talent bracket" is either one of the most pointless things one could say or it's attempting to place him in the top teir at his position.

I choose to give you credit. Especially considering you deemed it ridiculous to claim he wasn't. Mistakes were made.

Might as well pick literally any player on the roster and say they're one of the most talented players in the league at their position if you don't think you'll have to back up the claim because "well you just can't expect someone to provide evidence"

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[jute2003]

Hopefully drafting a qb inthe first lights a fire under our top 5 qb so he quits playing like a Brock Osweiler.

[ReasonablySober]

After a week of marinating this draft, I've come around to rationalizing this draft. A H-Back, a big ass half-back, a few OL. This team is gonna be the Elway led but really Davis led Broncos.

[crkone]

After a week of marinating this draft, I've come around to rationalizing this draft. A H-Back, a big ass half-back, a few OL. This team is gonna be the Elway led but really Davis led Broncos.

It also seems that the top draft picks were under-evaluated. AJ Dillon doesn't get the ball thrown to him so it means he can't catch. Deguara lacks prototypical size and length but puts up the most reps on the bar in the past 4 years for TEs and was in the 97th percentile for the first 10 yards of the 40. Love was an interception machine completely ignoring 2018 and Gary Andersen.

[M-C-G]

After a week of marinating this draft, I've come around to rationalizing this draft. A H-Back, a big ass half-back, a few OL. This team is gonna be the Elway led but really Davis led Broncos.

It also seems that the top draft picks were under-evaluated. AJ Dillon doesn't get the ball thrown to him so it means he can't catch. Deguara lacks prototypical size and length but puts up the most reps on the bar in the past 4 years for TEs and was in the 97th percentile for the first 10 yards of the 40. Love was an interception machine completely ignoring 2018 and Gary Andersen.

Yeah, when you pull back the onion on this draft class, there is a boatload of context to somewhat justify why we took them where we did. I still think trading that fourth was fine if you believe you are getting a future franchise QB, but it seemed to push up Josiah by at least a full round. That said, with 6 TE taken between him and where our fourth would have been, no guarantee he would have been there at all.

With Dillon, it was just a massive run on RB much earlier in the draft than typical. So good for us it would appear we got one of the guys we wanted. After him, not a very exciting group was left. Completely blown away by how much he ran against a stacked box, makes me really excited to see what he can do with some more spacing.

[Ron Swanson]

Only guy I wasn't thrilled with where we took him was Dillon. RB isn't a premium position, has a short shelf-life, and rarely do I think they're worth a Top-60 pick. On top of that, you have two more established guys ahead of him on the depth chart in Jones and Williams. I didn't see the immediate need, nor did I see the kind of prospect that necessitated you taking him there (BPA), not when guys like Zack Moss, Anthony McFarland, and DeeJay Dallas were going in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

[Matches Malone]

I've come around on the Dillon pick. If LaFleur wants to run the hell out of the ball going forward to set up the play action, then he's going to need the work horses. And if they want to bring back Aaron Jones, they likely can't or won't bring back Williams after the season. I'd be curious to see where Dillon would have went if we hadn't taken him in the second. If I were GM, 2nd round seems rich, but they must really really like him.

[M-C-G]

Only guy I wasn't thrilled with where we took him was Dillon. RB isn't a premium position, has a short shelf-life, and rarely do I think they're worth a Top-60 pick. On top of that, you have two more established guys ahead of him on the depth chart in Jones and Williams. I didn't see the immediate need, nor did I see the kind of prospect that necessitated you taking him there (BPA), not when guys like Zack Moss, Anthony McFarland, and DeeJay Dallas were going in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

The two more established guys doesn't mean much to me. With Jones he has struggled to stay healthy and they know what he is asking for in a contract extension which could very likely mean they are planning for life after him.

Jamal Williams isn't talented enough to really factor in a meaningful way.

I was really hopeful that one of Swift, Dobbins, Taylor or Clyde would have fallen, but if they have Dillon in that same tier, then I am fine with it. With his size/SPARQ score, he has a lot of upside, beyond what I think guys like Moss have.

[stillgotgame]

After a week of marinating this draft, I've come around to rationalizing this draft. A H-Back, a big ass half-back, a few OL. This team is gonna be the Elway led but really Davis led Broncos.

Are we gonna chop block everyone like the Bronco's did in that game?
I watched some of the replay on youtube this weekend. Every Bronco's running play had a backside guy diving at a Packer's knees. Shannon Sharpe cut Reggie White twice in the first quarter. Reggie clearly wasn't the same player the rest of the game. Shannon talks a big game now, but he was a wussy back then. That's how the Broncos rolled. If you picked a fight with them they wouldn't face you man to man, they would just dive at your knees the next play.

[WeekapaugGroove]

After a week of marinating this draft, I've come around to rationalizing this draft. A H-Back, a big ass half-back, a few OL. This team is gonna be the Elway led but really Davis led Broncos.

Are we gonna chop block everyone like the Bronco's did in that game?
I watched some of the replay on youtube this weekend. Every Bronco's running play had a backside guy diving at a Packer's knees. Shannon Sharpe cut Reggie White twice in the first quarter. Reggie clearly wasn't the same player the rest of the game. Shannon talks a big game now, but he was a wussy back then. That's how the Broncos rolled. If you picked a fight with them they wouldn't face you man to man, they would just dive at your knees the next play.

Love the long standing bitterness! I too hold the grudge and still generally root against the broncos as a result of that game.

[Ron Swanson]

Problem is this isn't 1998 and generally the teams that have success with a run-centric offense also have to have a great defense. Hard to argue with anything MLF has brought in considering how quickly he turned this team around last year, but there's a fine line between wanting to run the ball more, and trying to build a modern NFL offense around the Lombardi Sweep.

[Matches Malone]

Eh, everything isn't going to happen over night. MLF needs more than a year or two to get this system 100% the way he likes it. If the defense shows glaring weaknesses again, changes will probably be made on that side of the ball, but just because they don't have that dominate defense yet, doesn't mean MLF needs to change philosophy on offense if this is what he wants to build towards going forward. My hope is the offense starts clicking more this year and if Pettine can't keep his defense from folding, he's out.

[ReasonablySober]

Problem is this isn't 1998 and generally the teams that have success with a run-centric offense also have to have a great defense. Hard to argue with anything MLF has brought in considering how quickly he turned this team around last year, but there's a fine line between wanting to run the ball more, and trying to build a modern NFL offense around the Lombardi Sweep.

Looks to me like he's trying to build an offense that mimics the one that destroyed his team twice last season.

[humanrefutation]

Running some ball control offense will also help the defense not get completely drained like they were last season.

[trwi7]

Running some ball control offense will also help the defense not get completely drained like they were last season.

The worst the Packers have been in TOP when Rodgers has played a full season is 22nd (they still held the ball for over half the game despite this ranking) in 2016. They also were top 5 in scoring and top 10 in yards per play that year.

In the other years where Rodgers played in at least 15 games they were 7th, 2nd, 7th, 12th, 16th, 6th, 5th and 6th in TOP. Don't blame it on the offense for the defense sucking. They for the most part have scored and kept the ball. Last year the offense kind of sucked and a lot of it was on the receivers so people are understandably baffled/pissed how the draft went down.

[humanrefutation]

Running some ball control offense will also help the defense not get completely drained like they were last season.

The worst the Packers have been in TOP when Rodgers has played a full season is 22nd (they still held the ball for over half the game despite this ranking) in 2016. They also were top 5 in scoring and top 10 in yards per play that year.

In the other years where Rodgers played in at least 15 games they were 7th, 2nd, 7th, 12th, 16th, 6th, 5th and 6th in TOP. Don't blame it on the offense for the defense sucking. They for the most part have scored and kept the ball. Last year the offense kind of sucked and a lot of it was on the receivers so people are understandably baffled/pissed how the draft went down.

I'm not blaming the offense. The defense clearly had well documented issues. But I'm just saying that our defense notably wore down during some of our games last year, especially as they got pummled in the running game, and they seemingly became a sieve during the second half. Anything to avoid quick 3&Outs could help them. It's more like harm reduction rather than a cure.

[RRyder823]

Running some ball control offense will also help the defense not get completely drained like they were last season.

The worst the Packers have been in TOP when Rodgers has played a full season is 22nd (they still held the ball for over half the game despite this ranking) in 2016. They also were top 5 in scoring and top 10 in yards per play that year.

In the other years where Rodgers played in at least 15 games they were 7th, 2nd, 7th, 12th, 16th, 6th, 5th and 6th in TOP. Don't blame it on the offense for the defense sucking. They for the most part have scored and kept the ball. Last year the offense kind of sucked and a lot of it was on the receivers so people are understandably baffled pissed how the draft went down.

I know a lot of people believe that but considering the offense with Aaron Jones on the field versus him sitting it shouldn't be shocking that they would think it a better idea to double down on hoping for a 2nd dynamic back (I'm not even necessarily saying Dillon is that back but the rational is there)



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[Renzen]

This whole no receiver narrative gets destroyed when you look at the 4 games in October, when Davante was out.
The packers were significantly better offensively. They spread the ball around, and allowed their backs to make plays out of the backfield. Jones had 49 catches last year, and 22 came during that 4 game stretch.
Simply put, Rodgers had Davante vision last year, and it made our offense predictable at times. And I am sure that is more Rodgers fault than MLF.
Rodgers needs to realize he just isn't the same qb he was 3 years ago.

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[Ron Swanson]

Problem is this isn't 1998 and generally the teams that have success with a run-centric offense also have to have a great defense. Hard to argue with anything MLF has brought in considering how quickly he turned this team around last year, but there's a fine line between wanting to run the ball more, and trying to build a modern NFL offense around the Lombardi Sweep.

Looks to me like he's trying to build an offense that mimics the one that destroyed his team twice last season.

And that could be incredibly short-sighted and an overreaction. We shall see.

[drew881]

Favre's name surfaces in welfare fraud scheme. Was paid 1 million for appearances he never made:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/audit-brett-favre-paid-11-m-in-welfare-funds-for-appearances-he-didnt-make-015403643.html