Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[youngcrev]

If I'm Portland, I think you have to at least consider a Tobias/JRich offer for CJ. Diversifies their scoring a bit and gets them a defender to put next to Dame in the backcourt. That said, has there been any real world indication that they'd move him? Seems like him and Dame are really tight (and both seem happy with their situation), and they did give him that huge extension less than a year ago. They are coming off an awful season, but my guess would be that they just chalk that up to injury and continue to re-tool around those 2 and Nurkic. They've go some flexibility this summer to add pieces. Cap space if they renounce guys and a late lottery pick they could potentially move.

I think Hield and CP3 are the most likely to be available of our frequently mentioned targets. Hield doesn't seem happy coming off the bench, and they'll be in a salary crunch with guys coming off rookie deals. CP3's season has flipped the perception on that contract from unmoveable to potentially being able to actually get something back for him. As great as their season has been, I definitely think you sell high and move to a proper rebuild with SGA in fold.

Jrue is an interesting one to look at. There's a lot of smoke there, but then you also get the reports that come out after that they have no intention of moving him. Still, he can opt out of his deal after next year, and he'll be 31. Do they really want to commit a big, longterm deal to him with how young Zion and Ingram are? Something to consider from our end as well considering his injury history, particularly with Elton's contract negotiating.

LaVine is worth watching with new management, but who knows?

I am a Portland fan and there is nothing on Phillys roster we would accept in trade for Lillard.

Could see a deal involving CJ and Harris but would want Thybulle as well. No interest in Smith.

Tough to find a deal that works for both teams, as both are trying to find the combination of health and talent to compete for a championship.

Tougher still to speculate with all the fallout from Coronavirus impacting the draft, the salary cap and next season.

Never said anything about trading for Lillard.

[ankle420breaker]

I'm a Thybulle fan, but you'd have to consider packaging him with Harris if it gets us the legit scoring guard we lack (like CJ).

Throw the MLE at Dario this summer as a potential opportunity buy to replace Harris and see if Phoenix is willing to pony up. I'd expect they'd be trying to position themselves to make a splash in free agency and wouldn't be surprised if they want to avoid smaller multi year deals with the likes of Saric.

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[Kobblehead]

Do we get to keep Thybulle if we add Josh Richardson to the deal and take back Trevor Ariza?

[JRoy]

Do we get to keep Thybulle if we add Josh Richardson to the deal and take back Trevor Ariza?

Pretty sure Portland would rather keep Ariza because of the flexibility his contract provides.

Pretty sure PHI will make some kind of move to enter the absolute highest tier of contending teams but not sure what that might be yet.

[Olabikkel]

Ariza is only 1.8 guaranteed but If opted in possibility

Harris and jrich for mccollum and ariza. I would like it, but from a Portland standpoint i doubt If they would accept...
Throw in thybulle (or korkmaz but probably less value) and/or picks, maybe but still doubt it If Portland would accept, although they could use Harris.
Phi in that case would need Some PF help indeed.

If we would like hield and barnes,and we suppose barnes has a bad contract, then it seem a little bit easier to get this deal done.

Hield and barnes (46 mil in 2020) for horford and jrich and korkmaz and z. Smith (maybe pick) Or Harris and jrich and korkmaz (maybe pick). In the horford case phi would need backup center, in the Harris case PF help.

[Kobblehead]

Something to keep in mind:

NBA players don't fight through screens anymore. Everybody switches everything. So the more defensive zeroes you have on the floor, the more susceptible you are to opposing star players hunting your defensive liabilities on switches.

If we're going to actively take on defensive liabilities, there better be shotcreation at play to help offset some of their defensive burden. Guys like McCollum and Dinwiddie, for example.

So I don't see how a trade with the Kings for Hield and Barnes benefits us whatsoever in our quest for a championship. It just brings into the equation two more terrible defensive players that should not see the light of day in our crunchtime five. It's like Redick/Saric all over again.

If Fox isn't on the table, I don't see a reason to even dial Vlade's number.

[Kobblehead]

The most bang for our buck in terms of getting closer to a championship would be to acquire a crunchtime-worthy defender that can score in the halfcourt (Fox, Holiday, Paul) while retaining Embiid, Simmons and Thybulle.

[youngcrev]

Something to keep in mind:

NBA players don't fight through screens anymore. Everybody switches everything. So the more defensive zeroes you have on the floor, the more susceptible you are to opposing star players hunting your defensive liabilities on switches.

If we're going to actively take on defensive liabilities, there better be shotcreation at play to help offset some of their defensive burden. Guys like McCollum and Dinwiddie, for example.

So I don't see how a trade with the Kings for Hield and Barnes benefits us whatsoever in our quest for a championship. It just brings into the equation two more terrible defensive players that should not see the light of day in our crunchtime five. It's like Redick/Saric all over again.

If Fox isn't on the table, I don't see a reason to even dial Vlade's number.

Those guys don't have the same physical limitations as JJ and Dario (combination of poor length and lateral quickness), which I think is a bigger factor in becoming a target (along with being small in general). I think if Hield's your worst defender and you've got Embiid, Simmons and another plus perimeter defender (Thybulle/JRich) on the floor, you should still be very good on that end. I also don't think of Barnes as a bad defender in general, but maybe I'm just going off reputation.

The biggest issue I see with Hield as the target is that he's both a minus defensively and doesn't help you much in terms of perimeter creation. If you pair him with Thybulle in your backcourt (with Ben playing point forward), you're back to having similar creation problems as the JJ/Cov/Dario team. Maybe some of the DHO type stuff would translate better in the playoffs with Buddy than it did JJ, but we still haven't seen Hield against playoff defense, so who knows?

[SparksFly87]

If I had too bet on Tobias and Embiid growing as reliable iso scorers I'mma bet on it . Because these are young guys who are gonna figure it out.


I ain't completely sold on CJ or Chris Paul on this team I prefer size ,age and more versatility that Tobias brings a 3rd wheel.


I am 100 percent for a JRich, Horford ,Scott for Hield and Barnes trade.


I get a JJ replacement and a Scott upgrade.

[Kobblehead]

I don't think the contrast between physical limitations of particular players matter. Bad defenders are bad defenders, regardless. Tobias Harris has far less physical limitations than Saric yet was just as pitiful defensively in last year's playoffs as Saric was for us in the 2018 playoffs. Hield and Barnes are pitiful defenders.

Like I said, I'll make that concession for a shotcreator. Not for Buddy Hield. Just like Tobias, he'll have his pseudo-creating abilities repressed by Brett Brown and he'll be reduced to supporting player. So we'll have a catch and shoot or curl-running shooter that gets hunted and torched on the defensive end just like Redick/Belinelli did.

[Kobblehead]

If I had too bet on Tobias and Embiid growing as reliable iso scorers I'mma bet on it .

I mean, Tobias did kinda grow into that for a brief period in Los Angeles. Then he reverted back to being a supporting player once he got here, in Brett's system. That Clippers run when he looked like prime Antoine Walker was the anomaly, though. The vast majority of his career, he's been what we see now. A role player that sparingly flashes 1-on-1 ability.

[Kobblehead]

Don't expect marginal shotcreating talent like Harris and Hield to flourish in our system. Their games will be repressed and they'll be reduced to supporting role players. All while being defensive liabilities.

So if we're looking to solve our offensive woes, go all-out to get a full-fledged shotcreater. Someone like Dinwiddie or McCollum. Don't halfass it again like we did with Tobias Harris.

And that's assuming we strike out on getting a two-way difference-maker like Fox, Holiday, Paul.

[youngcrev]

I don't think the contrast between physical limitations of particular players matter. Bad defenders are bad defenders, regardless. Tobias Harris has far less physical limitations than Saric yet was just as pitiful defensively in last year's playoffs as Saric was for us in the 2018 playoffs. Hield and Barnes are pitiful defenders.

Like I said, I'll make that concession for a shotcreator. Not for Buddy Hield. Just like Tobias, he'll have his pseudo-creating abilities repressed by Brett Brown and he'll be reduced to supporting player. So we'll have a catch and shoot or curl-running shooter that gets hunted and torched on the defensive end just like Redick/Belinelli did.

I dont think Tobias was much of an issue for the team defensively in the playoffs. Him disappearing offensively with Lowry on him was. JJ wasn't terrible either staying with Joe Harris/Danny Green, but it impacted their scheme in terms of not switching with him.

I just think the guys with physical limitations are ones that seem to get heavily targeted to the point of not being able to stay on the court. Bigs that are too slow laterally (Boban, Ryan Anderson) that get roasted in PnR or guards that just can't keep up physically with their man.

[ankle420breaker]

The most bang for our buck in terms of getting closer to a championship would be to acquire a crunchtime-worthy defender that can score in the halfcourt (Fox, Holiday, Paul) while retaining Embiid, Simmons and Thybulle.

I can't see any realistic scenarios where we'd be able to acquire Fox, Holiday, or even CJ while being able to retain Thybulle, Ben, and Embiid.

CP3 might be a possibility.

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[Kobblehead]

I just don't see the benefit of bringing in bad defenders that aren't plus creators. We already made a big mistake with the Tobias Harris example. Don't triple down and bring in Hield and Barnes.

[youngcrev]

I just don't see the benefit of bringing in a bad defenders that aren't plus creators. We already made a big mistake with the Tobias Harris example. Don't triple down and bring in Hield and Barnes.

I'm not sold on Hield being the answer to all our problems for that very reason, I just think he helps this team way more than Horford because he helps you get more out of Jo and Ben.

[Kobblehead]

I'm not sold on Hield being the answer to all our problems for that very reason, I just think he helps this team way more than Horford because he helps you get more out of Jo and Ben.

In theory, based on his skillset. But there is something to be said about the person. Hield getting benched on a 30 win team because his defensive effort is so piss poor makes me doubt whether he can help this team with anything.

[Kobblehead]

We know for a fact that Utah was in on Tobias Harris. Do we approach them about a Harris/Conley swap?

Even if Conley doesn't return to form, he expires off the books at the end of the season. If he does return to form, we get a major boost to our title chances.

[ankle420breaker]

Conley would in all likelihood strictly be a salary dump in that scenario. Still may be worth looking into.

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[Kobblehead]

A salary dump of Harris, for sure. But not strictly that. Conley's track record is being a guy that ticks all the boxes of what we're looking for. He can defend, he's a good passer, he's a poised veteran, he can space the floor, he can score in the halfcourt. He's basically a budget version of what we're talking about with Paul and Holiday.

Worse case scenario is that he remains the shell of himself that we see in Utah right now and he expires off the books. I'm guessing he still has one last, brief spurt of good play in him. Especially in the playoffs.