OT- The Last Dance documentary

[Big Pippen]

pretty interesting new interview w/ the director, including how stockton didn't want to participate in a MJ "puff piece", MJ didn't ask that anything get cut out, and that an additional outtakes episode would be considered if ESPN asked:

Watch on YouTube

I have a buddy who was a prof at Gonzaga.. played noon ball all the time with retired Stockton. Said he is a total ass hole, and pretty routinely would walk off the court if things didn’t go his way.

Having said that, I understand and respect his decision. This project is entirely through MJ’s eyes.. for example they essentially bring up Sam’s book with a 10 second rated G summary of what it entails.

[weneeda2guard]

Hey all,

After a 24 Hour challenge I'm launching "The Goat is"

https://thegoatis.com

A simple poll site to settle the eternal debate about who is the greatest of all time;

LeBron James
or
Michael Jordan

Thank you!

I honestly can't take anyone too seriously if they believe lebron is the goat.

You would have a much better arguement with Kareem or Bill Russell or hell magic.

Lebron is super talented. He just not of those other guys class.

[dice]

Hey all,

After a 24 Hour challenge I'm launching "The Goat is"

https://thegoatis.com

A simple poll site to settle the eternal debate about who is the greatest of all time;

LeBron James
or
Michael Jordan

Thank you!

I honestly can't take anyone too seriously if they believe lebron is the goat.

You would have a much better arguement with Kareem or Bill Russell or hell magic.

Lebron is super talented. He just not of those other guys class.

magic's defense wasn't good enough for him to be a contender. nor was russell's offense

[dice]

jordan's relationship w/ the poodle-haired security guard:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/inside-the-relationship-between-michael-jordan-and-his-permhaired-security-guard-210726857.html

[Big Pippen]

I think the goat argument needs to be defined... is it strictly dominance? Does it include the way one shaped the future of the league? Does it shade towards individual brilliance or team brilliance? These are generally some criteria people don’t define.

I personally think its a dumb argument, each generation has greats, and its too hard to quantify across the eras.

[dice]

i was amazed that MJ drove himself all the way from deerfield to downtown in traffic in the rain on game night. i used to work in deerfield and went to the gym there after work so i didn't have to deal with an hour and a half ride home to the north side during rush hour. i'd have been pissed as a player to have had the workout facility all the way up there

[OldSchoolNoBull]

So, I just did a google search out of curiosity and it looks like Luc Longley isn't going to be in this:

https://clutchpoints.com/the-last-dance-news-michael-jordan-the-last-dance-will-not-feature-luc-longley/

According to Hehir, it was budgetary constraints that led to Longley being omitted as part of the player contributors for the show.

“It was not due to our unwillingness to find him, or his unwillingness to participate, it strictly was a budgetary concern,” Hehir told ABC News Breakfast, via Fox Sports.

“So I regret for our Australian audience, that Luc doesn’t sit down for an interview in this but his face and his presence certainly were felt.”

Another article reveals that the budgetary concern had to do with the fact that Luc lives in Australia(which was my guess anyway):

https://www.philstar.com/sports/2020/05/05/2011809/luc-out-last-dance

Hehir declined the option of a remote video, since Longley lives in Australia, because it would’ve “killed the vibe” of the show.

So I guess the only players we haven't seen yet who might still be seen are...Stacey, maybe Randy Brown. Scott Williams? Williams was the primary backup to both Cartwright and Grant by 93 and played well enough to a fat contract from Philly in 94.

[nas27]

I’m hoping they’re not done with the Kukoc story. Lots more to tell there once he joined the team, even if part of it is during Jordan’s retirement.

[Flopper]

There's a Krause quote at around the 21 minute mark in EP5 that in my mind seems even more telling than the old "organizations win championships" line.

The team is a great team, but the organization is one of the all-time greats, if not the greatest organization ever. That's what I'm so proud of.

I get it that in some sense he's trying to give credit to the people behind the scenes, but this really does sound like the thought process of someone who truly believed that the Bulls organization could build, if not dynasties, then championship level teams at will.

There's also more stuff just before that quote where Krause goes into full ass-licking toady mode to worship at the altar of Reinsdorf. It actually made me wonder if that's something Gar picked up on for the few years they worked together.

[kingkirk]

The more I watch this the more I detest Jerry Reinsdorf.

Hey man. Why did you retire from modding? Time? Loss of Bulls faith?

Contract disputes.

[HomoSapien]

The more I watch this the more I detest Jerry Reinsdorf.

Hey man. Why did you retire from modding? Time? Loss of Bulls faith?

Contract disputes.

Organizations win championships.

[troza]

Hey man. Why did you retire from modding? Time? Loss of Bulls faith?

Contract disputes.

Organizations win championships.

Funny thing... that is the most used sentence to mark the end of the dynasty yet that is so true... and funny thing is that Krause forgot that went going for the rebuild: coach and players are part of the organizations and having one of the all time great coaches and players was mandatory.

Off topic: 1998 playoffs... just watched game 5... I don't dislike the NBC crew of that time (Bob Costas, Isiah Thomas and Doug Collins) but I enjoyed the one from TNT more (Dick Stockton and Hubie Brown), mainly Hubie Brown.

That game 5... oh my... we ran over the Pacers. Funny thing that we had two huge blowouts during those playoffs against Jazz and the Pacers...

And someone posted a video about the GOAT with a comparison between Jordan and Lebron and there was talk about shooting % outside of the 0-3 feet. In those playoffs against Pacers I'm getting the idea that Jordan is shooting poorly from the outside that range (his mid range game)... yet he looks like a 3 point thread out there even if they are rare. Not sure about his % (I don't remember the scores from other games so at least I will look into that, just knowing the Ws and Ls). Strange feelings.

[Southpaw]

There's a Krause quote at around the 21 minute mark in EP5 that in my mind seems even more telling than the old "organizations win championships" line.

The team is a great team, but the organization is one of the all-time greats, if not the greatest organization ever. That's what I'm so proud of.

I get it that in some sense he's trying to give credit to the people behind the scenes, but this really does sound like the thought process of someone who truly believed that the Bulls organization could build, if not dynasties, then championship level teams at will.

There's also more stuff just before that quote where Krause goes into full ass-licking toady mode to worship at the altar of Reinsdorf. It actually made me wonder if that's something Gar picked up on for the few years they worked together.

Yeah I caught that bit. It felt to me like Krause was trying to compete with Jordan about who's the biggest reason the team was winning.

Love the the trash talk stories sprinkled in the episode. Also the player stories about MJ. It's part of the MJ legend, how his peers talk about him.

[bledredwine]

Organizations win championships.

Funny thing... that is the most used sentence to mark the end of the dynasty yet that is so true... and funny thing is that Krause forgot that went going for the rebuild: coach and players are part of the organizations and having one of the all time great coaches and players was mandatory.

Off topic: 1998 playoffs... just watched game 5... I don't dislike the NBC crew of that time (Bob Costas, Isiah Thomas and Doug Collins) but I enjoyed the one from TNT more (Dick Stockton and Hubie Brown), mainly Hubie Brown.

That game 5... oh my... we ran over the Pacers. Funny thing that we had two huge blowouts during those playoffs against Jazz and the Pacers...

And someone posted a video about the GOAT with a comparison between Jordan and Lebron and there was talk about shooting % outside of the 0-3 feet. In those playoffs against Pacers I'm getting the idea that Jordan is shooting poorly from the outside that range (his mid range game)... yet he looks like a 3 point thread out there even if they are rare. Not sure about his % (I don't remember the scores from other games so at least I will look into that, just knowing the Ws and Ls). Strange feelings.

Yeah, I posted that comparison video.

Honestly, with those percentages, it’s not even a question anymore. I’m convinced that Lebron’s losses, though they have some to do with supporting cast, have just as much to do with his poor shooting- field goal percentage can be misleading. It’s why Durant got the best of him in pressure situations and why he has one of the worst clutch shot percentages of all greats (taking a large pool of 100 shots as evidence, btw). Some of those Golden State games were down to the wire but all were lost.

Yet Jordan had midrange percentages and volume that seems like it was fabricated. He was that good. It’d be one thing if Lebron was facing large aggression teams stacked with hall of famers, but we are taking smaller teams when his team has more size. And I don’t buy a Steph, Klay and Dray team without KD to be stacked at all. Maybe for this era, not not compared to the Miami big 3, especially with Ray.

Lebron had to be the volume scorer in (I forgot what year). The one time he volume scored against Golden State in the finals, he averaged 35 ppg.... on39% shooting. Not good. He lost to Dwight’s Magic, though he played to the best of his abilities, lost to the Mavs, nearly the Spurs, quit against the Celtics. What did they all have in common? Great interior defense and size. His flaws make it impossible to be “automatic”, which Jordan was.

[SfBull]

Hey all,

After a 24 Hour challenge I'm launching "The Goat is"

https://thegoatis.com

A simple poll site to settle the eternal debate about who is the greatest of all time;

LeBron James
or
Michael Jordan

Thank you!

I honestly can't take anyone too seriously if they believe lebron is the goat.

You would have a much better arguement with Kareem or Bill Russell or hell magic.

Lebron is super talented. He just not of those other guys class.

That´s it,nothing to argue about that even if eventually including Kobe in the conversation.And I think it was a pretty good decision by Jordan giving his blessing for the documentary as it clearly shows how great he was and how impossible is comparing his game with the others,And how dumb was the Bulls in dismantling the dinasty with the players totally able for winning a fourth and even a fifth ring in a row .We had to wait at least 10 years for getting a great player from the draft (Rose) which unfortunately couldn´t guide the franchise for another title.

[RedBulls23]

Fred Pfeiffer aka See Red Fred joined us to discuss episodes 5 and 6 of The Last Dance.

iTunes: https://t.co/pBl8ycj6em
Spotify: https://t.co/jua5mmWz9B

[Red8911]

jordan's relationship w/ the poodle-haired security guard:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/inside-the-relationship-between-michael-jordan-and-his-permhaired-security-guard-210726857.html

Dude crashed MJs car lol, sucks that he died though and didn’t get to see himself in the documentary. MJ really did like him and went out of his way to help him, this is a nice story for MJ.

[The 6ft Hurdle]

So, I just did a google search out of curiosity and it looks like Luc Longley isn't going to be in this:

https://clutchpoints.com/the-last-dance-news-michael-jordan-the-last-dance-will-not-feature-luc-longley/

According to Hehir, it was budgetary constraints that led to Longley being omitted as part of the player contributors for the show.

“It was not due to our unwillingness to find him, or his unwillingness to participate, it strictly was a budgetary concern,” Hehir told ABC News Breakfast, via Fox Sports.

“So I regret for our Australian audience, that Luc doesn’t sit down for an interview in this but his face and his presence certainly were felt.”

Another article reveals that the budgetary concern had to do with the fact that Luc lives in Australia(which was my guess anyway):

https://www.philstar.com/sports/2020/05/05/2011809/luc-out-last-dance

Hehir declined the option of a remote video, since Longley lives in Australia, because it would’ve “killed the vibe” of the show.

So I guess the only players we haven't seen yet who might still be seen are...Stacey, maybe Randy Brown. Scott Williams? Williams was the primary backup to both Cartwright and Grant by 93 and played well enough to a fat contract from Philly in 94.

That's a super lame answer from Hehir. The storyline, the truth as told by players playing with a generational iconic sports figure are compelling enough, rather than the style of interview used. It's impressive the range of interviews they've gotten, but nothing is greater than the actual players speaking for themselves and their perspectives.

[troza]

So, I just did a google search out of curiosity and it looks like Luc Longley isn't going to be in this:

https://clutchpoints.com/the-last-dance-news-michael-jordan-the-last-dance-will-not-feature-luc-longley/

According to Hehir, it was budgetary constraints that led to Longley being omitted as part of the player contributors for the show.

“It was not due to our unwillingness to find him, or his unwillingness to participate, it strictly was a budgetary concern,” Hehir told ABC News Breakfast, via Fox Sports.

“So I regret for our Australian audience, that Luc doesn’t sit down for an interview in this but his face and his presence certainly were felt.”

Another article reveals that the budgetary concern had to do with the fact that Luc lives in Australia(which was my guess anyway):

https://www.philstar.com/sports/2020/05/05/2011809/luc-out-last-dance

Hehir declined the option of a remote video, since Longley lives in Australia, because it would’ve “killed the vibe” of the show.

So I guess the only players we haven't seen yet who might still be seen are...Stacey, maybe Randy Brown. Scott Williams? Williams was the primary backup to both Cartwright and Grant by 93 and played well enough to a fat contract from Philly in 94.

That's a super lame answer from Hehir. The storyline, the truth as told by players playing with a generational iconic sports figure are compelling enough, rather than the style of interview used. It's impressive the range of interviews they've gotten, but nothing is greater than the actual players speaking for themselves and their perspectives.

And for me... if it is about the last dance, I would love to see the players from that Bulls team and not guys talking about other things

[Big Pippen]

I would much rather hear from the players and coaches that were there, than Obama and Wilbon and Justin Timberlake.

This production firm clearly hates Aussies.