2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1

Kobblehead · Post #421 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 5, 2020 12:55 pm

Why is Obi Toppin's stock so high? I just saw a mock with him going #4 overall? That's crazy to me. He's a bigman that can't anchor a defense and obviously he can't create his own shot.

I don't know how anyone could even consider a big ahead of Okongwu.

Kobblehead · Post #422 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 5, 2020 1:32 pm

Alonzo Verge - 6'3" 167

- 73.7% free throw
- 2.8% steal, 0.4% block
- 18.8% assist

Positives:
Top tier handle and shotcreation. Decent mid-range shooter with a passable shooting profile. Decent point of a attack defender.

Negatives:
Physically weak. No established range on his jumper. Distributing skills are below par for his position.

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Kobblehead · Post #423 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 5, 2020 1:34 pm

I hate to invoke De'Aaron Fox's name every time there's a skinny, quick guy that can defend the point of attack and create his own shot at a high level, but Verge has some Fox to his game.

Negrodamus · Post #424 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue May 5, 2020 1:39 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Why is Obi Toppin's stock so high? I just saw a mock with him going #4 overall? That's crazy to me. He's a bigman that can't anchor a defense and obviously he can't create his own shot.

I don't know how anyone could even consider a big ahead of Okongwu.

Obi Toppin's stock is extremely confusing to me and feels media driven because he's a big dunker and averaged 20ppg.

I'm willing to expose myself bad takes retribution, but he has all of the makings to be a bust from this draft.

Kobblehead · Post #425 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 5, 2020 2:02 pm

He'll probably be a cross between John Collins and Montrezl Harrell. Strong screen and roll finisher (both). Maybe some shooting range (Collins). Bad on the glass (Harrell) and won't anchor a defense (both).

Taking him in the second half of the 1st round is fine, but taking him in the range where you're hoping to find a franchise player seems crazy.

Kobblehead · Post #426 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 5, 2020 2:09 pm

Can you adjust your shooting mechanics on the fly in the NBA or do you need a stint in the G-League away from the spotlight?

Because Paul Reed is an interesting case. His defense is plug and play but that hitch in his jumpshot is awful. He could really use a teardown/buildup process to his shooting.

Negrodamus · Post #427 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue May 5, 2020 2:38 pm

I think the thought process for Obi is that Kuzma was a 66% FT shooter in his best year at Utah and a 32% 3FG on low volume which lends to Obi eventually being a "better" Kuzma. He's better in almost every shooting percentage and is more athletic.

If you think Obi can be a better Kuzma and is worth a top 5 pick, then by all means. But what is not factored into this equation is that Kuzma is a complete anomaly as a fringe third option.

Negrodamus · Post #428 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue May 5, 2020 2:45 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Can you adjust your shooting mechanics on the fly in the NBA or do you need a stint in the G-League away from the spotlight?

Because Paul Reed is an interesting case. His defense is plug and play but that hitch in his jumpshot is awful. He could really use a teardown/buildup process to his shooting.

Definitely agree. He almost hit that elusive 2 spg 2 bpg season stat that everyone loved to bring up about Thybulle the year prior. The difference was Reed averaging 15 a game and 10 rebounds. I think he'll be picked too high to be stashed in the G-League, but I do agree he needs some time to fix that shot.

If he falls farther than Thybulle got picked, I'll be very confused. After the season Brandon Clarke had, I think people are enamored by that type of prospect.

Kobblehead · Post #429 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 5, 2020 3:04 pm

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Elite defense, elite distributing. Elite free throw shooting. Killian Hayes is a perfect basketball player.

Kobblehead · Post #430 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 5, 2020 4:17 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Definitely agree. He almost hit that elusive 2 spg 2 bpg season stat that everyone loved to bring up about Thybulle the year prior. The difference was Reed averaging 15 a game and 10 rebounds. I think he'll be picked too high to be stashed in the G-League, but I do agree he needs some time to fix that shot.

If he falls farther than Thybulle got picked, I'll be very confused. After the season Brandon Clarke had, I think people are enamored by that type of prospect.

I've seen anywhere from late-20s to early 40s for Reed. Without pre-draft workouts, he could be a guy that slips to the 2nd round.

Unfortunately, I think he'll be too valuable defensively to send to the G-League for more development. Matisse, for example, could have used this entire season to work on his jumper in the G-League. But he's too good defensively for Brett to part ways with. So Reed could be a victim of his own defensive talent, in regards to his inability to set aside time to develop his jumper.

Kobblehead · Post #431 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 5, 2020 4:41 pm

Arizona's Josh Greens seems like another likely Sixers pick.

Australian kid. Good defender, good athlete, good size, nice shooting stroke. Not much by the way of creation upside, though.

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Kobblehead · Post #432 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 5, 2020 10:21 pm

@Negro

Is Ashton Hagans an ass? Not sure I'd want a guy like this in my lockerroom.

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/more-on-ashton-hagans-and-kentuckys-second-half-meltdown/

Negrodamus · Post #433 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue May 5, 2020 11:16 pm

Kobblehead wrote:@Negro

Is Ashton Hagans an ass? Not sure I'd want a guy like this in my lockerroom.

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/more-on-ashton-hagans-and-kentuckys-second-half-meltdown/

He’s an incredible defender, but really didn’t do much offensively for us. I don’t think he had the equity to call shots at Calipari despite being a soph. His form is not broken and he shoots like 80% from FT.

I wouldn’t be interested in him. Feel like he should have been a CB instead of trying to go pro in basketball.

Kobblehead · Post #434 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 6, 2020 12:21 am

Yeah, between he and Tre Jones, I think I strongly prefer Jones.

Better kid, better shooter.

No-Man · Post #435 » by **No-Man** » Wed May 6, 2020 9:22 am

If Cole Anthony is realistically slipping I'd put 22nd and 34th to trade up for him, easily the best outcome for the 76ers on draft night

Kobblehead · Post #436 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 6, 2020 1:15 pm

Fischella wrote:If Cole Anthony is realistically slipping I'd put 22nd and 34th to trade up for him, easily the best outcome for the 76ers on draft night

Given Brett Brown's sensibilities, I think it's more likely that we trade up for one of Haliburton, Vassell, or Green.

I don't think the team is interested in going through the growing pains of a teenage offensive star. We're probably putting a heavy emphasis on getting a capable defender that can play crunchtime minutes on a playoff team.

No-Man · Post #437 » by **No-Man** » Wed May 6, 2020 1:23 pm

Anthony is a capable defender already with pull-up god upside

Kobblehead · Post #438 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 6, 2020 1:30 pm

His jumper needs a lot of work and he's a really bad finisher right now. Being a capable defender and willingly applying your capabilities consistently are much different things. Anthony was a bad defender this year. Especially once conference play rolled around. I'm not sure how ready he is to help a winning team.

Besides, Anthony should go in the lottery based on his offensive upside. I doubt he slips past #10.

Kobblehead · Post #439 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 6, 2020 3:26 pm

Theo Maledon and Deni Avdija seem overrated.

Negrodamus · Post #440 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed May 6, 2020 6:56 pm

Watch on YouTube

Have we discussed this dude? Pretty impressive defender and was a decent scorer albeit in garbage competition.