2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[3toheadmelo]

According to The Athletic's Sam Vecenie, Wiseman is viewed as the best center in the draft class by "a majority of evaluators," and he "has unquestionably the best tools."

"Wiseman is 7'1" and moves extremely well for his size," Vecenie wrote. "His 7'6" wingspan allows him to protect the rim at a high level. He also has solid shooting potential and will be an elite rim-runner as a roller."

less the solid shooting potential. Which is still just potential.

How is that any different than describing Mitchell Robinson?

Cause he shoots and makes them? Lol

[mpharris36]

Ya I hope you finally accept that Frank is a bust

You know thats like blaming the clippers for losing because of pat beverley. Lets not blame Kawhi, PG13, and Harrell.

Dont disrespect Pat by comparing him to someone like Frank.

please, pats been playing with superstars his whole career. He couldn't run an offense if he tried. Stick beveley on the knicks the last few years and we still suck and his shooting %'s would go in the tank because he doesn't get wide open looks that he has gotten from Harden, CP3, Kawhi, and PG13 his whole career.

[Deeeez Knicks]

less the solid shooting potential. Which is still just potential.

How is that any different than describing Mitchell Robinson?

Cause he shoots and makes them? Lol

Some evaluators believe Wiseman has long-term potential as a shooter, but he hasn’t fully shown it yet. Wiseman attempted one three-pointer at Memphis and missed it. In the EYBL, he went 4-for-27 (14.8 percent) from three-point range as a rising senior. Free throw percentage is also seen a big indicator of future shooting potential. Wiseman hit just 55.4 percent of 101 free throw attempts on the EYBL

[mpharris36]

less the solid shooting potential. Which is still just potential.

How is that any different than describing Mitchell Robinson?

Cause he shoots and makes them? Lol

does he?

he took 3 shots outside of the paint in college and made one

and if you want to even go to high school (which I don't). He took shots and made very few 3's.

[3toheadmelo]

You know thats like blaming the clippers for losing because of pat beverley. Lets not blame Kawhi, PG13, and Harrell.

Dont disrespect Pat by comparing him to someone like Frank.

please, pats been playing with superstars his whole career. He couldn't run an offense if he tried. Stick beveley on the knicks the last few years and we still suck and his shooting %'s would go in the tank because he doesn't get wide open looks that he has gotten from Harden, CP3, Kawhi, and PG13 his whole career.

Frank would not even start on those Houston teams nor the Clippers like Beverely. Cause he is not as good as a defender as Beverly and his jumper is much worse than his. Stop it. Your boy is not that good

[3toheadmelo]

less the solid shooting potential. Which is still just potential.

How is that any different than describing Mitchell Robinson?

Cause he shoots and makes them? Lol

does he?

he took 3 shots outside of the paint in college and made one

and if you want to even go to high school (which I don't). He took shots and made very few 3's.

Yeah I am not sure if you watched Wiseman this season but he made multiple jumpers in college.

[3toheadmelo]

less the solid shooting potential. Which is still just potential.

How is that any different than describing Mitchell Robinson?

Cause he shoots and makes them? Lol

Some evaluators believe Wiseman has long-term potential as a shooter, but he hasn’t fully shown it yet. Wiseman attempted one three-pointer at Memphis and missed it. In the EYBL, he went 4-for-27 (14.8 percent) from three-point range as a rising senior. Free throw percentage is also seen a big indicator of future shooting potential. Wiseman hit just 55.4 percent of 101 free throw attempts on the EYBL

Another meaningless high school scouting report Cole Anthony was so efficient in high school but we saw how that translated into college. Not sure why you guys keep relying on that.

Meanwhile Wiseman has an TS% of 76% in college and made 70% of his free throws.

[HighRyzer83]

According to The Athletic's Sam Vecenie, Wiseman is viewed as the best center in the draft class by "a majority of evaluators," and he "has unquestionably the best tools."

"Wiseman is 7'1" and moves extremely well for his size," Vecenie wrote. "His 7'6" wingspan allows him to protect the rim at a high level. He also has solid shooting potential and will be an elite rim-runner as a roller."

He get all that from 3 games?

[3toheadmelo]

Ima just leave this here since a lot of you guys aren't familiar with his game

Watch on YouTube

Dont talk to me about Wiseman until you watched the whole thing

[mpharris36]

Cause he shoots and makes them? Lol

does he?

he took 3 shots outside of the paint in college and made one

and if you want to even go to high school (which I don't). He took shots and made very few 3's.

Yeah I am not sure if you watched Wiseman this season but he made multiple jumpers in college.

can you please explain to me what you consider a "jumper". I am looking at his shot chart...

[Deeeez Knicks]

Cause he shoots and makes them? Lol

Some evaluators believe Wiseman has long-term potential as a shooter, but he hasn’t fully shown it yet. Wiseman attempted one three-pointer at Memphis and missed it. In the EYBL, he went 4-for-27 (14.8 percent) from three-point range as a rising senior. Free throw percentage is also seen a big indicator of future shooting potential. Wiseman hit just 55.4 percent of 101 free throw attempts on the EYBL

Another meaningless high school scouting report Cole Anthony was so efficient in high school but we saw how that translated into college. Not sure why you guys keep relying on that.

Meanwhile Wiseman has an TS% of 76% in college and made 70% of his free throws.

What are we supposed to base it on his one 3point miss in college?

All of a sudden he's gonna be launching 3's in the NBA though. Dudes not really a shooter...maybe one day, but who knows?

[mpharris36]

and i don't want to see practice highlights of him making jumpers. I see Mitch highlights plenty to know he still wont take them in a game.

[3toheadmelo]

Another meaningless high school scouting report Cole Anthony was so efficient in high school but we saw how that translated into college. Not sure why you guys keep relying on that.

Meanwhile Wiseman has an TS% of 76% in college and made 70% of his free throws.

What are we supposed to base it on his one 3point miss in college?

All of a sudden he's gonna be launching 3's in the NBA though. Dudes not really a shooter...maybe one day, but who knows?

Base it on the jumpers he took in college and his free throw %. I never said he's gonna be launching a bunch of 3 point shooters in the NBA. That's not his game. But he can stretch the floor and he has a solid mid range already.

[god shammgod]

we aint taking wiseman and you'll like it. mitch gang bang bang!!!

[3toheadmelo]

does he?

he took 3 shots outside of the paint in college and made one

and if you want to even go to high school (which I don't). He took shots and made very few 3's.

Yeah I am not sure if you watched Wiseman this season but he made multiple jumpers in college.

can you please explain to me what you consider a "jumper". I am looking at his shot chart...

5:12, 5:44, 6:14

Watch on YouTube

At least I know for a fact that you never watched him play live now. If you really think Mitch can pull off those fadeaways then you smoking crack

Go watch the other Wiseman I posted with Mike Schmitz. Breaks down his game from high school to now, his weaknesses, and what he has improved on since then. I recommend you watch it cause its obvious you don't know much about him.

[Richard4444]

A PG finding saga. The looking for a Point Guard Saga (without a great investment - Big FA sign or great draft prospects).

2010/11: Felton is good but he is not a contender PG. Lets trade him to get Melo. Besides, we dont need a young PG. 34 years Billups can work. He still has some years ahead...

2011/2012: Billup is over. 32 years. Mike Bibby is the solution. Hmmm. Mike is no good anymore. The solution is 32 years old Baron Davis. He is still injured... Sucks; I Know the solution is the undrafted Jeremy Lee. Linsanity!! Lin is out. Baron Davis is back!. Crap! Another injury...

2012/13: Baron is over. Lin is too expensive. The solution are 39 years Jason Kid and Felton for the long run!! Felton is better than Lee. Yeah! 54 wins campaign. Hmm... Playoffs are boring...

2013/14: Jason Kid is over. Who would imagine that? But we have the incredible Felton. Oh No! He got fat. We always knew that he is not a contenders PG.

2014/2015: Felton is over. 33 years old Jose Calderon is the solution, a great pass first PG. Injuries!? We really have bad luck with 32+ years old PGs with huge injury historic who no team wants.

2015/2016: Calderon is not great to a contender team. He is not a scorer. Lets develop a PG trough the draft. This guy Jerian Grant is the solution (a still with the 19th pick). Some months later: Jerian is looking like a bust. Calderon was healthy. But is getting more old and he is not a scorer (who would figure that).

2016/2017: Calderon and Jerian are over. Derick Rose is the solution!! He is a scorer and still 28. He is perfect to play triangule for some obscure motive!!! He is getting better from his huge injury... I hope... Some months later: He is not the same guy he once were and he doesnt pass.

2017/2018: Rose is over. Frank is the solution. He has great defensive instincts and a great frame. Its easy to develop a ofensive game. To mentor him Ramon Session. Oh No, he is really bad. To mentor him 34 years Jarret Jack. We always got luck with vet PGs!! Somes months later: Frank looks very green. He may need much time to mature. We need insurance. Lets redraft some wronged busts. Mudlay and Burke can still be good players.

2018/2019: Jack is over. Lets try Mud, Burke and Frank. One of them is destined to be great. We dont need another PG in the draft. No Shai. Some months later: The trio is very bad... Lets trade for Dennis Jr.

2019/2020: Dennis Jr is the solution. We are stuck with Frank. Payton can be a mentor and a insurance because he is still 25 years old. Some months later: Dennis is a bust... Payton is not a contender PG. We dont know what Frank is.

2020/2021: Who will be out next solution?

[HEZI]

Wiseman can't shoot, it was the most obvious thing to notice to anybody that watched him. He ran the floor and finished in the paint, that's it. He cant shoot or dribble

[3toheadmelo]

Wiseman can't shoot, it was the most obvious thing to notice to anybody that watched him. He ran the floor and finished in the paint, that's it. He cant shoot or dribble

[robillionaire]

i feel confident in saying that wiseman is going to be a really good rebounder, lob catcher, shot blocker. I guess I see him being something like prime deandre jordan. i think he's going to be a pretty good nba center. we already have a pretty good nba center

[mpharris36]

Yeah I am not sure if you watched Wiseman this season but he made multiple jumpers in college.

can you please explain to me what you consider a "jumper". I am looking at his shot chart...

5:12, 5:44, 6:14

Watch on YouTube

At least I know for a fact that you never watched him play live now. If you really think Mitch can pull off those fadeaways then you smoking crack

Go watch the other Wiseman I posted with Mike Schmitz. Breaks down his game from high school to now, his weaknesses, and what he has improved on since then. I recommend you watch it cause its obvious you don't know much about him.

the first one is a baby shot, guys take floaters from a farther distance. That doesn't show anything. The other two are jumpers. And that is exactly what his shooting chart suggests. He made 2 jumpers in college. So now he's a shooter?

2 things for certain we know.

He will run the floor and play above the rim
He will be able to protect the paint with his size and wingspan

what we also know is Mitchell Robinson is already elite at both already.

The one thing we don't know is if he will be able to develop a trust worthy jump shot. There is very little evidence to back up whichever side you are on.

I never once said Mitch could make that turnaround shot. But the question needs to be asked if thats the only difference in there games....an occasional turn around jumper really worth that high of a pick when we have a guy that can replicate everything else? When we need substantial talent upgrades at other spots?