2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[3toheadmelo]

Wiseman really got the potential to be unguardable Just look at his foot work in the post... the ability to catch and shoot 3's..etc.

[rajajackal]

Wiseman really got the potential to be unguardable Just look at his foot work in the post... the ability to catch and shoot 3's..etc.

i like Wiseman. i wouldn't be mad about drafting him at all. shouldn't be scared of overdrafting a position. ya'll preach Hinkie's "process" so much...do you remember how he managed that situation? if he and mitch can't coexist, you can always trade one of them for another type of player. very rarely a bad thing to have multiple players of considerable value

[TheGreenArrow]

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This has Scott perry written all over it.

This is why I wanted him gone.

Fml!!!

[robillionaire]

I don’t know. Leon might not be like the prior people in charge. I don’t think he wants to make a splash to make a splash. He’s been media shy, Cole is such a risk. It’s early but he doesn’t seem to like unnecessary risks. Also the timing of the CP3 rumor still makes me thing Bagley was talking about Perry alone.

Knicks don't see him that way. . They see Big School, NBA DAD, Fan approval, and he likes to put shots up. On top of that he's the type of "PG" Perry likes. Never mind the fact that he doesn't have good court vision.

I have not seen one article siting praise or Killian Hayes or Haliburton. All I see is Lamelo talk (which is fine) and the Cole Anthony "mercy" articles talking about how much he would love to play here.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/the-point-guard-who-could-be-knicks-safest-nba-draft-option/

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/hidden-point-guard-gem-killian-hayes-may-be-answer-for-knicks/

Both are Berman articles, but to be honest I haven't seen an article yet that says who the knicks like post Mills. Also the entire "we need a scoring guard" narrative started under Mills/Perry, same with the CP3 rumors. Mills was the one who tried to trade for D Lo, Rozier, Malik Monk, and was holding up the clippers trade because he wanted Landry Shamet. He thought that a scoring PG would fix things. Also side note a CP3 trade makes a lot more sense if the knicks were planning to Keep Morris longterm, it also comes off as desperate to keep your job too.

There weren't any early articles for any of our picks either besides RJ and that was because we went 3rd in the three man draft. KP was about a week out, Knox, Frank, and Shump were a few days before, Mitch. Rose just hired Aller, and kept Perry. we don't know if that new brain trust is as fixated on scoring from the PG position as Mills.

Especially scorers who'll need work, and they can't be brought in to do workouts or a combine.

Cole got that "This is the guys name we chant when we pick someone else" vibe.

Well this is still way too early for a rumor article about who the knicks want to pick because the draft lottery hasn't even happened yet so they don't even know who might be available. We still do it here but that's because we're all slowly losing our minds. I expect the real rumors to start coming out after the lotto. All this other stuff is Berman trying not to get laid off during the shutdown and them needing something to print

[robillionaire]

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This has Scott perry written all over it.

This is why I wanted him gone.

Fml!!!

I wouldn't be mad at all if they took Hampton in that range. but again this is Berman just throwing shyt at the wall claiming the knicks will draft everybody and later draw a bullseye around the one article that had it right like the texas sharpshooter fallacy

on page 82 my PG list I have hampton as the #4 PG I'd take after lamelo cole and hayes so yeah

[knickstape4ever]

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This has Scott perry written all over it.

This is why I wanted him gone.

Fml!!!

I like RJ Hampton, but he's not a fit for this team, we need shooting

[robillionaire]

my main reservation about Hampton is that he might not be a true PG, looks like he may be more of a combo guard. I don't want a combo guard who the knicks will never play at PG so they can continue to coddle the likes of jarrett jack emmanuel mudiay trey burke and elfrid payton, we need a pure point guard to take the job, so that there's no question what position he should be playing, and that's the 1. He should even be wearing the number 1. And be LaMelo

[Fat]

Two RJ's No Jumper

[HEZI]

my main reservation about Hampton is that he might not be a true PG, looks like he may be more of a combo guard. I don't want a combo guard who the knicks will never play at PG so they can continue to coddle the likes of jarrett jack emmanuel mudiay trey burke and elfrid payton, we need a pure point guard to take the job, so that there's no question what position he should be playing, and that's the 1. He should even be wearing the number 1. And be LaMelo

This is what caused us to pass on Donovan Mitchell and reach for Frank Ntilikina because folks thought Frank was more of a "true PG" and didn't want a combo guard

I agree about Hampton, he has more off guard / secondary ball handler type of game but that's not the reason not to take him. He's got potential and I like him but he's also pretty raw and inconsistent. Jumpshot needs improvement as does his finishing in the paint. A lot of similar weaknesses that Donovan had during his freshman year in Louisville but he showed a lot of improvement in his sophomore year which made him a much safer pick than Hampton is now. Hampton does bring IQ and intensity and instincts on the defensive end and that's the most reliable thing he would bring right now but a lot of question marks offensively. Potential is there though but I would go with somebody more reliable right now.

[HEZI]

RJ Hampton's first step is stupid quick though, he's got that young Westbrook type of explosiveness on his first step. And his jumper doesn't look all that bad as far as mechanics he just can't stay consistent. Ball handling is solid too. I think his best comp right now is Gary Harris

[robillionaire]

my main reservation about Hampton is that he might not be a true PG, looks like he may be more of a combo guard. I don't want a combo guard who the knicks will never play at PG so they can continue to coddle the likes of jarrett jack emmanuel mudiay trey burke and elfrid payton, we need a pure point guard to take the job, so that there's no question what position he should be playing, and that's the 1. He should even be wearing the number 1. And be LaMelo

This is what caused us to pass on Donovan Mitchell and reach for Frank Ntilikina because folks thought Frank was more of a "true PG" and didn't want a combo guard

I agree about Hampton, he has more off guard / secondary ball handler type of game but that's not the reason not to take him. He's got potential and I like him but he's also pretty raw and inconsistent. Jumpshot needs improvement as does his finishing in the paint. A lot of similar weaknesses that Donovan had during his freshman year in Louisville but he showed a lot of improvement in his sophomore year which made him a much safer pick than Hampton is now. Hampton does bring IQ and intensity and instincts on the defensive end and that's the most reliable thing he would bring right now but a lot of question marks offensively. Potential is there though but I would go with somebody more reliable right now.

I guess they were wrong about Frank because he also has been made to be a combo guard and even a freakin forward thanks to the genius of fizdale. They played him mostly off ball since day one of his arrival. Even if we had taken Donovan we'd still be needing to draft a PG. The worst part though, is that we ended up going out and getting DSJ who is actually a true PG... and he sucks too.

[WargamesX]

A few mocks have RJ Hampton going to the Spurs. I like him better than Cole.

[DaGawd]

RJ Hampton's first step is stupid quick though, he's got that young Westbrook type of explosiveness on his first step. And his jumper doesn't look all that bad as far as mechanics he just can't stay consistent. Ball handling is solid too. I think his best comp right now is Gary Harris

[HEZI]

my main reservation about Hampton is that he might not be a true PG, looks like he may be more of a combo guard. I don't want a combo guard who the knicks will never play at PG so they can continue to coddle the likes of jarrett jack emmanuel mudiay trey burke and elfrid payton, we need a pure point guard to take the job, so that there's no question what position he should be playing, and that's the 1. He should even be wearing the number 1. And be LaMelo

This is what caused us to pass on Donovan Mitchell and reach for Frank Ntilikina because folks thought Frank was more of a "true PG" and didn't want a combo guard

I agree about Hampton, he has more off guard / secondary ball handler type of game but that's not the reason not to take him. He's got potential and I like him but he's also pretty raw and inconsistent. Jumpshot needs improvement as does his finishing in the paint. A lot of similar weaknesses that Donovan had during his freshman year in Louisville but he showed a lot of improvement in his sophomore year which made him a much safer pick than Hampton is now. Hampton does bring IQ and intensity and instincts on the defensive end and that's the most reliable thing he would bring right now but a lot of question marks offensively. Potential is there though but I would go with somebody more reliable right now.

I guess they were wrong about Frank because he also has been made to be a combo guard and even a freakin forward thanks to the genius of fizdale. They played him mostly off ball since day one of his arrival. Even if we had taken Donovan we'd still be needing to draft a PG. The worst part though, is that we ended up going out and getting DSJ who is actually a true PG... and he sucks too.

Frank sucks as a PG though that's why they tried to move him to other positions to find his strengths. Fizdale wasn't wrong, I mean there was an article about Frank not long ago and some scout or GM (cant remember who it was) was saying they also thought Frank is better suited as a wing player off the bench. Frank was given his opportunities at PG and he's not it, that's why we are still looking for one right now.

As far as us needing a PG if we took Michell, I don't know about that. Mitchell has done just fine as a primary ball handler in Utah, especially when Conley was missing games. We wouldn't need a PG, just a secondary ball handler and preferably a catch and shoot guard. Mitchell has done fine playing with all types of guards, whether it was Rubio or Jordan Clarkson, he can thrive.

[HEZI]

RJ Hampton's first step is stupid quick though, he's got that young Westbrook type of explosiveness on his first step. And his jumper doesn't look all that bad as far as mechanics he just can't stay consistent. Ball handling is solid too. I think his best comp right now is Gary Harris

Yeah we should aim higher that's why I wouldn't use a lotto pick on him

[HerSports85]

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This has Scott perry written all over it.

This is why I wanted him gone.

Fml!!!

[HarthorneWingo]

Now I have start watching RJ Hampton videos?

Who is this kid?

[robillionaire]

This is what caused us to pass on Donovan Mitchell and reach for Frank Ntilikina because folks thought Frank was more of a "true PG" and didn't want a combo guard

I agree about Hampton, he has more off guard / secondary ball handler type of game but that's not the reason not to take him. He's got potential and I like him but he's also pretty raw and inconsistent. Jumpshot needs improvement as does his finishing in the paint. A lot of similar weaknesses that Donovan had during his freshman year in Louisville but he showed a lot of improvement in his sophomore year which made him a much safer pick than Hampton is now. Hampton does bring IQ and intensity and instincts on the defensive end and that's the most reliable thing he would bring right now but a lot of question marks offensively. Potential is there though but I would go with somebody more reliable right now.

I guess they were wrong about Frank because he also has been made to be a combo guard and even a freakin forward thanks to the genius of fizdale. They played him mostly off ball since day one of his arrival. Even if we had taken Donovan we'd still be needing to draft a PG. The worst part though, is that we ended up going out and getting DSJ who is actually a true PG... and he sucks too.

Frank sucks as a PG though that's why they tried to move him to other positions to find his strengths. Fizdale wasn't wrong, I mean there was an article about Frank not long ago and some scout or GM (cant remember who it was) was saying they also thought Frank is better suited as a wing player off the bench. Frank was given his opportunities at PG and he's not it, that's why we are still looking for one right now.

As far as us needing a PG if we took Michell, I don't know about that. Mitchell has done just fine as a primary ball handler in Utah, especially when Conley was missing games. We wouldn't need a PG, just a secondary ball handler and preferably a catch and shoot guard. Mitchell has done fine playing with all types of guards, whether it was Rubio or Jordan Clarkson, he can thrive.

Frank hasn't been good as a wing player either because he hasn't been able to make shots so he really gives you nothing on offense and you can't have that from a wing player. Imo he's been better suited at PG utilized as he was in FIBA and he was playing PG for us to end this season as well. I see him more as a backup caliber PG who can also play situational spot minutes off ball for defense when needed. He isn't a starting caliber PG and that's why we still need one

[KnicksGadfly]

Why do they call RJ Hampton a polarizing prospect? You need two sides to be polarizing. As far as I can tell, nobody likes RJ Hampton.

[robillionaire]

Why do they call RJ Hampton a polarizing prospect? You need two sides to be polarizing. As far as I can tell, nobody likes RJ Hampton.

well some people probably like him, andrew bogut played against him in the NBL recently and seemed to have high praise

"It’s very hard to judge some of these young kids because the jump from high school is a big step. Our league is officiating different. It’s physical, zones can be played. I think he’s done a pretty good job. I like his upside. As far as his length and athleticism, playing the point, I think he’s in that mold of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. His 3-ball’s not there yet, but he does a great job getting in the paint, he’s a willing passer and he’s very good defensively.

We played him in the preseason and he blocked a few 3- point shots from our guards that he had no business getting a hand on. So he’s very athletic in that sense and he has some dog in him. He was very fiery when we played him, very (Russell) Westbrook-esque with his emotions, and yelling, which I respect. He went out there and really plays like he cares. He’s inconsistent, which can be a knock, but we are a professional league and there are only nine teams. It’s very competitive and once you’ve played a team once, everyone knows each other’s sets, and what they’re trying to do, so I think he’s handled himself very well to this point and I think he’ll be a good guy in the draft. I think he has a chance to be a very good player."