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2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#61 » by robillionaire » Wed May 6, 2020 9:21 pm

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The Athletic has him 20th in their latest bigboard too



here it is in case anybody was wondering
Spoiler:
1. LaMelo Ball
2. Anthony Edwards
3. James Wiseman
4. Obi Toppin
5. Killian Hayes
6. Onyeka Okongwu
7. Deni Avdija
8. Cole Anthony
9. Tyrese Haliburton
10.Devin Vassell
11.Isaac Okoro
12.Kira Lewis Jr
13.Tyrese Maxey
14.Aaron Nesmith
15. Precious Achiuwa
16. Saddiq Bey
17.Tre Jones
18.Theo Maledon
19.Isaiah Stewart
20.RJ Hampton
21.Patrick Williams
22.Xavier Tillman
23.Daniel Oturu
24.Aleksej Pokuševski
25.Devon Dotson
26.Tyrell Terry
27.Jalen Smith
28.Grant Riller
29.Zeke Nnaji
30.Josh Green

31.Killian Tillie
32.Jahmi'us Ramsey
33.Payton Pritchard
34.Nico Mannion
35.Jaden McDaniels
36.Vernon Carey Jr
37.Malachi Flynn
38.Jared Butler
39.Elijah Hughes
40.Cassius Stanley
41.Cassius WInston
42.Paul Reed
43.Robert Woodard
44.Leandro Bolmaro
45.Jordan Nwora
46.Immanuel Quickley
47.Desmond Bane
48.Chris Smith
49.Ayo Dosunmu
50.Abdolaye Ndoye
51.Skylar Mays
52.Udoka Azubuike
53.Reggie Perry
54.Kristian Doolittle
55.Kaleb Wesson
56.Trendon Watford
57.Derrick Alston
58.Markus Howard
59.Corey Kispert
60.Myles Powell



If we go by this we could pull Nesmith, Jamhius Ramsey and Cassius Stanley at 6, 27 & 37. Sign CP (not giving up draft picks except 2nd rounders in future) and we'd have 1 (CP & Frank), 2 (Ramsey, Stanley), 3 (Nesmith; RJ); and 5 (Mitch) with next years big laden draft to snag a 4 or two. That looks potentially solid across the board.


yeah let's take nesmith 6th and trade for cp3

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#62 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed May 6, 2020 9:21 pm

I just did a spin on tankathon. first try:

1. New York Knicks - LaMelo Ball
2. Minnesota Timberwoles - Anthony Edwards
3. NEW ORLEANS PELICANS - James Wiseman

Killian went 7 to Detroit. Halliburton 8 to the Bulls. Hampton 10 to Wizards. Cole 11 to Phoenix.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#63 » by robillionaire » Wed May 6, 2020 9:22 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:I just did a spin on tankathon. first try:

1. New York Knicks - LaMelo Ball
2. Minnesota Timberwoles - Anthony Edwards
3. NEW ORLEANS PELICANS - James Wiseman

Killian went 7 to Detroit. Halliburton 8 to the Bulls. Hampton 10 to Wizards. Cole 11 to Phoenix.


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#64 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed May 6, 2020 9:24 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:I just did a spin on tankathon. first try:

1. New York Knicks - LaMelo Ball
2. Minnesota Timberwoles - Anthony Edwards
3. NEW ORLEANS PELICANS - James Wiseman

Killian went 7 to Detroit. Halliburton 8 to the Bulls. Hampton 10 to Wizards. Cole 11 to Phoenix.

I’ll be pretty happy if we get any of Lamelo/Wiseman/Edwards. But if the Pelicans get Wiseman... they gonna be running the league
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#65 » by RHODEY » Wed May 6, 2020 9:25 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:I just did a spin on tankathon. first try:

1. New York Knicks - LaMelo Ball
2. Minnesota Timberwoles - Anthony Edwards
3. NEW ORLEANS PELICANS - James Wiseman

Killian went 7 to Detroit. Halliburton 8 to the Bulls. Hampton 10 to Wizards. [b]Cole 11 to Phoenix[/b].



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Post#66 » by RHODEY » Wed May 6, 2020 9:28 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:I just did a spin on tankathon. first try:

1. New York Knicks - LaMelo Ball
2. Minnesota Timberwoles - Anthony Edwards
3. NEW ORLEANS PELICANS - James Wiseman

Killian went 7 to Detroit. Halliburton 8 to the Bulls. Hampton 10 to Wizards. Cole 11 to Phoenix.


My first try...no ****!
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#67 » by moocow007 » Wed May 6, 2020 9:40 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Speaking of injuries, Cole Anthony already has had knee surgery. So that’s something to think about.


That actually is a concern for me which is compounded by his game. He's like a poor man's Derrick Rose and one of the biggest issues with Rose was that for him to reach his maximum effectiveness Rose had to put his body (especially his knees) through a lot of stress. This was something that some folks were concerned about with Rose...his durability given how violent his movements were. You see it with a guy like Kyrie as well. Guys that rely heavily on a full tilt, explosion based, start and stop game. And Cole Anthony is not near as fluid or physically gifted as Rose or Irving which would make me concerned about his long term durability.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#68 » by robillionaire » Wed May 6, 2020 9:45 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Speaking of injuries, Cole Anthony already has had knee surgery. So that’s something to think about.


That actually is a concern for me which is compounded by his game. He's like a poor man's Derrick Rose and one of the biggest issues with Rose was that for him to reach his maximum effectiveness Rose had to put his body (especially his knees) through a lot of stress. This was something that some folks were concerned about with Rose...his durability given how violent his movements were. You see it with a guy like Kyrie as well. Guys that rely heavily on a full tilt, explosion based, start and stop game. And Cole Anthony is not near as fluid or physically gifted as Rose or Irving which would make me concerned about his long term durability.


I actually agree with that poor man's derrick rose comparison. he's probably like post knee injury knicks derrick rose but with a better 3pt shot. That's really not that bad of a player, rose was solid for us that year other than the fact he shot 21% from 3. sucked on defense too
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#69 » by RHODEY » Wed May 6, 2020 9:56 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Speaking of injuries, Cole Anthony already has had knee surgery. So that’s something to think about.


That actually is a concern for me which is compounded by his game. He's like a poor man's Derrick Rose and one of the biggest issues with Rose was that for him to reach his maximum effectiveness Rose had to put his body (especially his knees) through a lot of stress. This was something that some folks were concerned about with Rose...his durability given how violent his movements were. You see it with a guy like Kyrie as well. Guys that rely heavily on a full tilt, explosion based, start and stop game. And Cole Anthony is not near as fluid or physically gifted as Rose or Irving which would make me concerned about his long term durability.


Cole is growing on me :noway:
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#70 » by RHODEY » Wed May 6, 2020 9:58 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Speaking of injuries, Cole Anthony already has had knee surgery. So that’s something to think about.


That actually is a concern for me which is compounded by his game. He's like a poor man's Derrick Rose and one of the biggest issues with Rose was that for him to reach his maximum effectiveness Rose had to put his body (especially his knees) through a lot of stress. This was something that some folks were concerned about with Rose...his durability given how violent his movements were. You see it with a guy like Kyrie as well. Guys that rely heavily on a full tilt, explosion based, start and stop game. And Cole Anthony is not near as fluid or physically gifted as Rose or Irving which would make me concerned about his long term durability.


I actually agree with that poor man's derrick rose comparison. he's probably like post knee injury knicks derrick rose but with a better 3pt shot. That's really not that bad of a player, rose was solid for us that year other than the fact he shot 21% from 3. sucked on defense too


He put up points, but didn't make his teammates better.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#71 » by Richard4444 » Wed May 6, 2020 10:03 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Speaking of injuries, Cole Anthony already has had knee surgery. So that’s something to think about.


That actually is a concern for me which is compounded by his game. He's like a poor man's Derrick Rose and one of the biggest issues with Rose was that for him to reach his maximum effectiveness Rose had to put his body (especially his knees) through a lot of stress. This was something that some folks were concerned about with Rose...his durability given how violent his movements were. You see it with a guy like Kyrie as well. Guys that rely heavily on a full tilt, explosion based, start and stop game. And Cole Anthony is not near as fluid or physically gifted as Rose or Irving which would make me concerned about his long term durability.


I actually agree with that poor man's derrick rose comparison. he's probably like post knee injury knicks derrick rose but with a better 3pt shot. That's really not that bad of a player, rose was solid for us that year other than the fact he shot 21% from 3. sucked on defense too


And he didnt pass the ball too. He was kind of useless when the opponents defense was well organized to avoid drives towards the basket.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#72 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed May 6, 2020 10:08 pm

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Kobe was a "project" that worked out pretty well, but yeah he was the 13th pick.


Wasn't Kobe the best high school player in the country when he was drafted way back then? I we think RJ Hampton is Kobe Bryant, then by all means draft him. But I have a feeling he isn't. :lol:


hampton was the 5th highest recruiting prospect of of HS behind wiseman, cole, Isaiah stewart and anthony edwards, so while he's not kobe bryant he was regarded as one of the top talents coming out of hs. playing in the NBL actually hurt his draft stock because he didn't dominate in it like lamelo did. But going into the season he was definitely viewed as a top 3-5 pick


Since I've never even seen him play 8-) thanks for the info. :lol:

Do you still think he's a top 7 pick?
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Post#73 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed May 6, 2020 10:09 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Speaking of injuries, Cole Anthony already has had knee surgery. So that’s something to think about.


Cartilage too. Not good. It depends on whether they were able to graft replacement cartilage from the good knee and it took.
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Post#74 » by RHODEY » Wed May 6, 2020 10:42 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Speaking of injuries, Cole Anthony already has had knee surgery. So that’s something to think about.


Cartilage too. Not good. It depends on whether they were able to graft replacement cartilage from the good knee and it took.


And with the 27th pick the New york Knicks select:

COLE ANTHONY!!!!!

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#75 » by robillionaire » Wed May 6, 2020 10:44 pm

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Wasn't Kobe the best high school player in the country when he was drafted way back then? I we think RJ Hampton is Kobe Bryant, then by all means draft him. But I have a feeling he isn't. :lol:


hampton was the 5th highest recruiting prospect of of HS behind wiseman, cole, Isaiah stewart and anthony edwards, so while he's not kobe bryant he was regarded as one of the top talents coming out of hs. playing in the NBL actually hurt his draft stock because he didn't dominate in it like lamelo did. But going into the season he was definitely viewed as a top 3-5 pick


Since I've never even seen him play 8-) thanks for the info. :lol:

Do you still think he's a top 7 pick?


Not for the knicks because I think there will be a true PG available top 7 and as I strongly believe we need to draft a PG I have lamelo hayes and cole over him and I'm sure one or more of them will still be on the board. But I do think another team could justify taking him 7-10, just due to the fact he has as much upside as anybody in the draft. With that said it's hard to predict where he could actually fall. I saw on the 76ers board they were salivating over the idea of him potentially falling to 22, could end up being a great value for some team.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#76 » by robillionaire » Wed May 6, 2020 10:49 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Speaking of injuries, Cole Anthony already has had knee surgery. So that’s something to think about.


Cartilage too. Not good. It depends on whether they were able to graft replacement cartilage from the good knee and it took.


And with the 27th pick the New york Knicks select:

COLE ANTHONY!!!!!

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if we got cole 27th I'd feel like we were stealing i don't care how down you are on him that's a bargain :lol:
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#77 » by WargamesX » Wed May 6, 2020 10:56 pm

Read on Twitter


Here’s a video of Tyrese as a Freshman playing defense against a really good Texas Tech team. Think about it Tyrese and Frank playing together for spurts defending the perimeter, defending against other teams guards with Mitch behind them anchoring the defense, RJ taking a breather to come back in and do some work.....

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You all know you would all love to see that.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#78 » by Spree2Houston » Wed May 6, 2020 11:49 pm

I've been saying it. RJ Hampton is going to be the steal of this draft. I like his upside more than Anthony and Haliburton.
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Post#79 » by Fat » Thu May 7, 2020 2:24 am

WargamesX wrote:
Read on Twitter


Here’s a video of Tyrese as a Freshman playing defense against a really good Texas Tech team. Think about it Tyrese and Frank playing together for spurts defending the perimeter, defending against other teams guards with Mitch behind them anchoring the defense, RJ taking a breather to come back in and do some work.....

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You all know you would all love to see that.


Hailburton and ntilkina on defense would be nice to see but on offense not really. You have two players in your backcourt who prefer to run the offense through teammates as facilitators but don’t really have scoring on there mind it seems like an overlap. Hailburton would work best next to a combo guard so would ntilkina.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4) 

Post#80 » by Fat » Thu May 7, 2020 2:34 am

Spree2Houston wrote:I've been saying it. RJ Hampton is going to be the steal of this draft. I like his upside more than Anthony and Haliburton.


He could be anywhere from Dante exum to Zach Lavine. His biggest strength right now is his speed and Creative finishing ability. He’s not elite at anything the Knicks need though he’s not elite at anything in general unless being fast is considered a skill. He’s not a playmaker or shooter either. This is another wait and see project to go along with the other wait and see projects the Knicks have.

Gamble pick that might or might not work.
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