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Post#961 » by BoyzNTheHood » Wed May 6, 2020 11:11 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:What a beast. Someone mentioned him earlier, but this kid is solid af. He reminds me of Desmond Bane in that they just get the job done. Neither will be a star, but both will carve out long careers in the pros barring injury.



Looks like a longer PJ Tucker.

He should stay an extra year. How do we stay away from Stanley Johnsons?



I wouldn't compare him to Stanley Johnson for anything except a body comparison because Stanley was handed everything on a silver platter. Hyped throughout high school, McDonalds All-American, highly recruited, and a top-10 pick all off of his natural abilities. This kid Woodard has had to work for everything he's gotten.
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Post#962 » by Psubs » Wed May 6, 2020 11:32 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:What a beast. Someone mentioned him earlier, but this kid is solid af. He reminds me of Desmond Bane in that they just get the job done. Neither will be a star, but both will carve out long careers in the pros barring injury.



Looks like a longer PJ Tucker.

He should stay an extra year. How do we stay away from Stanley Johnsons?



I wouldn't compare him to Stanley Johnson for anything except a body comparison because Stanley was handed everything on a silver platter. Hyped throughout high school, McDonalds All-American, highly recruited, and a top-10 pick all off of his natural abilities. This kid Woodard has had to work for everything he's gotten.


Ya, he seems like longer PJ Tucker more. Medium floor low ceiling.

Just in general about Stanley Johnson.
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Post#963 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu May 7, 2020 1:39 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
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BoyzNTheHood wrote:What a beast. Someone mentioned him earlier, but this kid is solid af. He reminds me of Desmond Bane in that they just get the job done. Neither will be a star, but both will carve out long careers in the pros barring injury.



Looks like a longer PJ Tucker.

He should stay an extra year. How do we stay away from Stanley Johnsons?



I wouldn't compare him to Stanley Johnson for anything except a body comparison because Stanley was handed everything on a silver platter. Hyped throughout high school, McDonalds All-American, highly recruited, and a top-10 pick all off of his natural abilities. This kid Woodard has had to work for everything he's gotten.


I wouldn’t compare him to Stanley because it looks like he can actually jump and has decent touch, although Woodard might have the same IQ problems

Stanleys problem is that he cant score from any level, makes it tough to play him.
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Post#964 » by Syd-TK3 » Thu May 7, 2020 3:01 am

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I don't think Hernandez is ready, and whoever we draft will not be ready to replace Gasol/Ibaka. Most likely we will address for missing stretch 5 from the FA. Getting a C would be for the long term, and we cannot evaluate if Hernandez can be against starter C. I probably prefer a long big C in the size of Lopez who can shoot the ball in case of matchup.

Realistically no player will be able to replace what they do and even the free agent list is small, ibaka/Gasol is one of the best center rotations in the league and both are starters. I just think we have a better history of acquiring Centers through other means whereas sf/big wings we usually have to draft.


First, we are unlikely to keep all VanVleet, Ibaka and Gasol all 3. There is no reason for the Gasol to take a big pay cut, or Ibaka to not consider a long term contract, while VanVleet maybe we can offer something close to keep him. Therefore, we might acquire someone instead, but definitely the FA markets are backup Cs, which is a big down grade.

Meanwhile, to acquire an update, we need to have someone decent at that position, plus more assets. For example, Gasol was a top 5 C, and we trade Valanciunas who would be top 15 - 20 C (starter quality). Therefore, we may still need to draft a decent C for upgrade, unless we can upgrade through FA, but we are unlikely to fight against big market teams.

I wouldn't rule out getting a C, someone like Azubuike (ironically it is on NBADraft.net, which I find other sites having better scouting reports).

I think it's very likely we keep both vanvleet and Gasol( most likely a 1 year deal) and Ibaka is still a possibility depending on how the cap situations changes from all this.
I'm not ruling out a center at all especially since we have 2 picks this year. At 28 though I'd take BPA and majority of them aren't centers.
With Masai's track record I have no reason to doubt any pick made though so we'll see which way he's headed Azubuike wouldn't be bad
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Post#965 » by Psubs » Thu May 7, 2020 3:31 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:I think it's very likely we keep both vanvleet and Gasol( most likely a 1 year deal) and Ibaka is still a possibility depending on how the cap situations changes from all this.
I'm not ruling out a center at all especially since we have 2 picks this year. At 28 though I'd take BPA and majority of them aren't centers.
With Masai's track record I have no reason to doubt any pick made though so we'll see which way he's headed Azubuike wouldn't be bad


Back up C. Get boards, dunk, block, foul. Might be okay if he plays 6-7 mins per half.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/kansass-udoka-azubuike-has-found-the-formula-for-efficiency-dunk-a-lot/

Tacko Fall had the all-time FG% for a career at 73.9.

Udoka Azubuike has it now with 74.6%. :reporter:

Michael Bradley is on the list... wingspan for bigs matters. :(

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Post#966 » by Indeed » Thu May 7, 2020 4:00 am

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Looks like a longer PJ Tucker.

He should stay an extra year. How do we stay away from Stanley Johnsons?



I wouldn't compare him to Stanley Johnson for anything except a body comparison because Stanley was handed everything on a silver platter. Hyped throughout high school, McDonalds All-American, highly recruited, and a top-10 pick all off of his natural abilities. This kid Woodard has had to work for everything he's gotten.


I wouldn’t compare him to Stanley because it looks like he can actually jump and has decent touch, although Woodard might have the same IQ problems

Stanleys problem is that he cant score from any level, makes it tough to play him.


Could be Iggy lite based on his height and wingspan, but not sure if he is as athletic as Iggy. Perhaps he can compare to Powell instead, but Powell has a tighter ball handling ability.
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Post#967 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu May 7, 2020 4:41 am

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:
I wouldn't compare him to Stanley Johnson for anything except a body comparison because Stanley was handed everything on a silver platter. Hyped throughout high school, McDonalds All-American, highly recruited, and a top-10 pick all off of his natural abilities. This kid Woodard has had to work for everything he's gotten.


I wouldn’t compare him to Stanley because it looks like he can actually jump and has decent touch, although Woodard might have the same IQ problems

Stanleys problem is that he cant score from any level, makes it tough to play him.


Could be Iggy lite based on his height and wingspan, but not sure if he is as athletic as Iggy. Perhaps he can compare to Powell instead, but Powell has a tighter ball handling ability.


i saw someone call him oversized Terry Rozier and that feels apt to me
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Post#968 » by Psubs » Thu May 7, 2020 4:22 pm

https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/06/2020-nba-draft-big-board-top-80-rankings

Just missing out with McDaniels at #27. If miss him, I would take Carey if he falls.
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Post#969 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Thu May 7, 2020 4:33 pm

Psubs wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/06/2020-nba-draft-big-board-top-80-rankings

Just missing out with McDaniels at #27. If miss him, I would take Carey if he falls.

Just like the latest CBSSports NBA mock draft https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-goes-no-1-to-warriors-james-wiseman-slips-to-hornets-at-no-8/live/ had Jaden going #29 (Lakers) these mock drafts that have McDaniels falling into the 20s aren't realistic. :crazy:

Jaden has top 5 talent in this draft and it wouldn't surprise me if he goes top 10 in the draft when all is said and done.

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Post#970 » by Psubs » Thu May 7, 2020 4:37 pm

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Psubs wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/06/2020-nba-draft-big-board-top-80-rankings

Just missing out with McDaniels at #27. If miss him, I would take Carey if he falls.

Just like the latest CBSSports NBA mock draft https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-goes-no-1-to-warriors-james-wiseman-slips-to-hornets-at-no-8/live/ had Jaden going #29 (Lakers) these mock drafts that have McDaniels falling into the 20s aren't realistic. :crazy:

Jaden has top 5 talent in this draft and it wouldn't surprise me if he goes top 10 in the draft when all is said and done.



He might be one of the bigger boom/bust prospects. More turnovers than assists could mean he's selfish or gambles too much or low basketball IQ despite raw talent. Or maybe he's forcing things. His 3-pt shot has potential as he gets stronger. He's a poor man's Isaac right now and that's worth a gamble at #28.
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Post#971 » by Dalek » Thu May 7, 2020 5:15 pm

I am all for smart gambles on size and athleticism, but the only caveat would be the player also has to have a motor and drive to get better. A guy like FVV is short, kind of slow, but due to his tenacity and work ethic he has become a starter in the NBA on a playoff team.

If there are questions about McDaniels and his motor than I don't think he will fit in Toronto. I'd rather take a flyer on a player that you know has that edge to play on a championship team. I'd put guys like Patrick Williams, Precious Achiuwa, even Yves Pons ahead of McDaniels because they have a pulse, play with that competitive edge.

I mean Pascal Siakam came in as an athlete who could not even shoot a jumper, and a year later he is a borderline All-NBA type of player. The Toronto system works, if the right people come to it. On the flipside you have Stanley Johnson who lacks the focus to even be rotation worthy.
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Post#972 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Thu May 7, 2020 5:33 pm

Psubs wrote:
Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:
Psubs wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/06/2020-nba-draft-big-board-top-80-rankings

Just missing out with McDaniels at #27. If miss him, I would take Carey if he falls.

Just like the latest CBSSports NBA mock draft https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-goes-no-1-to-warriors-james-wiseman-slips-to-hornets-at-no-8/live/ had Jaden going #29 (Lakers) these mock drafts that have McDaniels falling into the 20s aren't realistic. :crazy:

Jaden has top 5 talent in this draft and it wouldn't surprise me if he goes top 10 in the draft when all is said and done.


He might be one of the bigger boom/bust prospects. More turnovers than assists could mean he's selfish or gambles too much or low basketball IQ despite raw talent. Or maybe he's forcing things. His 3-pt shot has potential as he gets stronger. He's a poor man's Isaac right now and that's worth a gamble at #28.

He's not boom or bust. He will be a very solid NBA player for years to come. He was second on his team in assists. Turnovers happen especially with young players trying to force things. He's unselfish. He has a very high basketball IQ. He is a very capable 3 point shooter who will only get better now that he can focus on basketball 100% of the time with no classes to worry about. He will be gone long before #28. He's going Lottery- believe it or not.

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Post#973 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Thu May 7, 2020 5:40 pm

Dalek wrote:I am all for smart gambles on size and athleticism, but the only caveat would be the player also has to have a motor and drive to get better. A guy like FVV is short, kind of slow, but due to his tenacity and work ethic he has become a starter in the NBA on a playoff team.

If there are questions about McDaniels and his motor than I don't think he will fit in Toronto. I'd rather take a flyer on a player that you know has that edge to play on a championship team. I'd put guys like Patrick Williams, Precious Achiuwa, even Yves Pons ahead of McDaniels because they have a pulse, play with that competitive edge.

I mean Pascal Siakam came in as an athlete who could not even shoot a jumper, and a year later he is a borderline All-NBA type of player. The Toronto system works, if the right people come to it. On the flipside you have Stanley Johnson who lacks the focus to even be rotation worthy.

There are no questions about Jaden McDaniels and his motor. He plays both ends of the court hard and is very competitive. None of the players that you mentioned are in McDaniels class nor have his potential or skill level. Your post just goes to show that you don't really know anything about Jaden and his game. Like I said before he is a certified top 5 talent in this draft and may be the best player out of this draft looking back in 5 years.

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Post#974 » by Syd-TK3 » Thu May 7, 2020 6:34 pm

I definitely don't have the same confidence in McDaniels and feel he's a bit overhyped, I'll surely admit I was wrong if he turns out to be KD-lite like some people say but I mean if he drops to 28th you obviously take him.
He'll be gone in the 14-20 range
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Post#975 » by Psubs » Thu May 7, 2020 7:04 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:I definitely don't have the same confidence in McDaniels and feel he's a bit overhyped, I'll surely admit I was wrong if he turns out to be KD-lite like some people say but I mean if he drops to 28th you obviously take him.
He'll be gone in the 14-20 range


He's not nearly the shooter Durant is. 40.5%, 33.9% from 3, 76.3% FT.

He's like the shorter version of Isaac, so less blocks.

FYI, Isaac shot 37.9%, 34.8% from 3 and 76% FT during his rookie season. Isaac has improved his shooting the last 2 years. I can see it taking McDaniels around 2-3 years to start getting it.
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Post#976 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Thu May 7, 2020 7:28 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:I definitely don't have the same confidence in McDaniels and feel he's a bit overhyped, I'll surely admit I was wrong if he turns out to be KD-lite like some people say but I mean if he drops to 28th you obviously take him.
He'll be gone in the 14-20 range

How can Jaden be over-hyped if he's going 27th and 29th in 2 mock drafts? Now, LaMelo Ball is over-hyped.

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Post#977 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 7, 2020 7:45 pm

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Syd-TK3 wrote:I definitely don't have the same confidence in McDaniels and feel he's a bit overhyped, I'll surely admit I was wrong if he turns out to be KD-lite like some people say but I mean if he drops to 28th you obviously take him.
He'll be gone in the 14-20 range


He's not nearly the shooter Durant is. 40.5%, 33.9% from 3, 76.3% FT.

He's like the shorter version of Isaac, so less blocks.

FYI, Isaac shot 37.9%, 34.8% from 3 and 76% FT during his rookie season. Isaac has improved his shooting the last 2 years. I can see it taking McDaniels around 2-3 years to start getting it.


There's only one person comparing him to KD and Ingram. He clearly isn't either and Isaac is the obvious comparison made by those who don't romanticize every prospect they like.
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Post#978 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Thu May 7, 2020 7:59 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
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Syd-TK3 wrote:I definitely don't have the same confidence in McDaniels and feel he's a bit overhyped, I'll surely admit I was wrong if he turns out to be KD-lite like some people say but I mean if he drops to 28th you obviously take him.
He'll be gone in the 14-20 range


He's not nearly the shooter Durant is. 40.5%, 33.9% from 3, 76.3% FT.

He's like the shorter version of Isaac, so less blocks.

FYI, Isaac shot 37.9%, 34.8% from 3 and 76% FT during his rookie season. Isaac has improved his shooting the last 2 years. I can see it taking McDaniels around 2-3 years to start getting it.


There's only one person comparing him to KD and Ingram. He clearly isn't either and Isaac is the obvious comparison made by those who don't romanticize every prospect they like.

Wrong. A lot of other people have compared Jaden to KD, buddy. And if you don't think that he is comparable to Brandon Ingram then that's on you too. The more you actually know before you post...

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Post#979 » by Dalek » Thu May 7, 2020 8:39 pm

Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:
Dalek wrote:I am all for smart gambles on size and athleticism, but the only caveat would be the player also has to have a motor and drive to get better. A guy like FVV is short, kind of slow, but due to his tenacity and work ethic he has become a starter in the NBA on a playoff team.

If there are questions about McDaniels and his motor than I don't think he will fit in Toronto. I'd rather take a flyer on a player that you know has that edge to play on a championship team. I'd put guys like Patrick Williams, Precious Achiuwa, even Yves Pons ahead of McDaniels because they have a pulse, play with that competitive edge.

I mean Pascal Siakam came in as an athlete who could not even shoot a jumper, and a year later he is a borderline All-NBA type of player. The Toronto system works, if the right people come to it. On the flipside you have Stanley Johnson who lacks the focus to even be rotation worthy.

There are no questions about Jaden McDaniels and his motor. He plays both ends of the court hard and is very competitive. None of the players that you mentioned are in McDaniels class nor have his potential or skill level. Your post just goes to show that you don't really know anything about Jaden and his game. Like I said before he is a certified top 5 talent in this draft and may be the best player out of this draft looking back in 5 years.



I can see where you are coming from as maybe McDaniels has more of an offensive game developed at this stage. I am talking more about motor on defense. From when I watch tape on Williams and Achiuwa I see high multiple effort defenders who use their athleticism to cover ground on defense. I don't really see that type of commitment with McDaniels. His numbers are okay but he is not a force on that end. You might see it differently.

Quite a few articles from draft sites point to McDaniels issues:

Mentality Overview: Aggressive, but not too aggressive. Will force a bit on offense, and isn’t always tuned in on defense, but he’s not chucking shots and being non-existent on the defensive end, either. Looks like he takes it personally in isolation defense and steps up to the challenge on defense (see Duke game). **CHARACTER CONCERNS OFF THE COURT**


https://www.thestepien.com/2019/06/18/jalen-mcdaniels-scouting-report/

McDaniels is right in that same group of Achiuwa and Williams on almost all mock drafts, so I don't think you are accurate about them not being in his class.

McDaniels was pretty inefficient as a shooter, had off-court issues that led to him moving away from San Diego State, and is not a freak athlete.
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Post#980 » by Syd-TK3 » Thu May 7, 2020 9:12 pm

Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:I definitely don't have the same confidence in McDaniels and feel he's a bit overhyped, I'll surely admit I was wrong if he turns out to be KD-lite like some people say but I mean if he drops to 28th you obviously take him.
He'll be gone in the 14-20 range

How can Jaden be over-hyped if he's going 27th and 29th in 2 mock drafts? Now, LaMelo Ball is over-hyped.


Only recently has he been mocked that late. In those situations he's obviously not overhyped I said myself that I think he'll be gone 14-20. My "overhyped" comment was mainly towards the people who you'll see talking about him in highlights and videos. Which is why I mentioned him being "KD-lite" which I've seen many times
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