2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[thebuzzardman]

here it is in case anybody was wondering

Spoiler:

If we go by this we could pull Nesmith, Jamhius Ramsey and Cassius Stanley at 6, 27 & 37. Sign CP (not giving up draft picks except 2nd rounders in future) and we'd have 1 (CP & Frank), 2 (Ramsey, Stanley), 3 (Nesmith; RJ); and 5 (Mitch) with next years big laden draft to snag a 4 or two. That looks potentially solid across the board.

The Knicks would be absolutely insane to take Nesmith 6. Can we stop with the over inflated emphasis on 3 point shooting?

3 point shooting emphasis is fine, when it's for role players and guys down lower in the draft.

[DaGawd]

Randle made games watchable

[spree8]

To add to this, I'm not saying that means he can't be a good player but not getting to see him in the NCAA tournament hurt his draft position imo. With Ja Morant some people were still insisting he was just beating up on bad teams at Murray St. even with the games against alabama and auburn, but when it came tourney time he led Murray to an upset win, a tough battle in the 2nd rd. and he was impressive in both games. Would have been helpful to see Toppin going up against some of the other powerhouses in the tournament

Yeah if Toppin sucked in the NCAA tourney then I would change my opinion on him.

I mean, I might change my opinion on him and be higher on him if he led dayton to the final 4 or championship, and so would teams

with that said it's not a 1/1 comparison because Ja wasn't 22, the upside with age was still there , with toppin it isn't, you get what you get

I don’t get the age/upside thing. Players are totally capable of improving after age 22. Steph Curry was only 1 year younger his rookie year. I don’t think having a couple years more of potential time to play in the NBA definitely makes you more likely to turn into something better with that time than an older player.

A 19 year old could easily end up having just a 5 year career after turning into a bust, or having a 10 year career but not improving much at all in that time, where Obi could be in the league for 10 years and still raise his game to another level just like all the other older most improved players of the year have.

Sure Obi could be a bust himself, but I don’t think his age is something to be afraid of much. He’d form a great frontcourt with Mitch tho, that’s for sure. If we did get Cp3... the lobs thrown to those two would be nasty.

[RHODEY]

Yeah if Toppin sucked in the NCAA tourney then I would change my opinion on him.

I mean, I might change my opinion on him and be higher on him if he led dayton to the final 4 or championship, and so would teams

with that said it's not a 1/1 comparison because Ja wasn't 22, the upside with age was still there , with toppin it isn't, you get what you get

I don’t get the age/upside thing. Players are totally capable of improving after age 22. Steph Curry was only 1 year younger his rookie year. I don’t think having a couple years more of potential time to play in the NBA definitely makes you more likely to turn into something better with that time than an older player.

A 19 year old could easily end up having just a 5 year career after turning into a bust, or having a 10 year career but not improving much at all in that time, where Obi could be in the league for 10 years and still raise his game to another level just like all the other older most improved players of the year have.

Sure Obi could be a bust himself, but I don’t think his age is something to be afraid of much. He’d form a great frontcourt with Mitch tho, that’s for sure. If we did get Cp3... the lobs thrown to those two would be nasty.

He could improve his defensive awareness but slow feet and lateral movement are really tough to improve on.

[WajaBawl]

Get Edwards in this draft and Cade Cunningham next year.

Cunningham
Edwards
RJ
Knox
Mitch

Would make up for all these years of suffering.

[jvsimonetti0514]

copyrighting haliburtkina right now for the rest of the draft process.

If it was 2006 Obi would be a great draft pick. There were a lot of stretch 4’s that weren’t great defenders. The nba just took that idea one step further and put a wing there now instead. He probably ends up more like Bobby Portis instead of Amare. I feel bad for him though, he really could have rose his stock in the NCAA tourney. If he was that good Dayton would have made a run and you could see match up against some power conference teams instead of the scrubby ones in the A10.

[Richard4444]

I think obi will be drafted by a high pick. Teams need more wings than PGs or bigs.

[Richard4444]

Get Edwards in this draft and Cade Cunningham next year.

Cunningham
Edwards
RJ
Knox
Mitch

Would make up for all these years of suffering.

Only 14 percent to land Cade If we suck next year. We cant keep dreaming about Cadê.

[robillionaire]

Yeah if Toppin sucked in the NCAA tourney then I would change my opinion on him.

I mean, I might change my opinion on him and be higher on him if he led dayton to the final 4 or championship, and so would teams

with that said it's not a 1/1 comparison because Ja wasn't 22, the upside with age was still there , with toppin it isn't, you get what you get

I don’t get the age/upside thing. Players are totally capable of improving after age 22. Steph Curry was only 1 year younger his rookie year. I don’t think having a couple years more of potential time to play in the NBA definitely makes you more likely to turn into something better with that time than an older player.

A 19 year old could easily end up having just a 5 year career after turning into a bust, or having a 10 year career but not improving much at all in that time, where Obi could be in the league for 10 years and still raise his game to another level just like all the other older most improved players of the year have.

Sure Obi could be a bust himself, but I don’t think his age is something to be afraid of much. He’d form a great frontcourt with Mitch tho, that’s for sure. If we did get Cp3... the lobs thrown to those two would be nasty.

There isn’t anything definite about it, it’s just about the odds and physical reality of it. If you are 18 you have a better chance to have a drastic improvement into a much better player, if you’re 22 the chances are lower. There are always outliers. But teams take these things into consideration and rightfully so

[knickstape21]

Get Edwards in this draft and Cade Cunningham next year.

Cunningham
Edwards
RJ
Knox
Mitch

Would make up for all these years of suffering.

Only 14 percent to land Cade If we suck next year. We cant keep dreaming about Cadê.

Doesn’t matter. There’s going to be like 5 players who could go #1. It’s that deep and I believe we’ll have 2 lottery picks.

[HarthorneWingo]

I think obi will be drafted by a high pick. Teams need more wings than PGs or bigs.

He definitely appears to be the wild card at this point though things could change after the combine ... if there’s a combine ... if we ever have a lottery.

[WargamesX]

I think obi will be drafted by a high pick. Teams need more wings than PGs or bigs.

He definitely appears to be the wild card at this point though things could change after the combine ... if there’s a combine ... if we ever have a lottery.

I also think the Cavs will take him if Deni and Ball are off the board. He’s a local prospect and I think they are ready to move on from Tristan and Love can always play Center.

[robillionaire]

I think obi will be drafted by a high pick. Teams need more wings than PGs or bigs.

He definitely appears to be the wild card at this point though things could change after the combine ... if there’s a combine ... if we ever have a lottery.

I also think the Cavs will take him if Deni and Ball are off the board. He’s a local prospect and I think they are ready to move on from Tristan and Love can always play Center.

they seem ready to move on from love too, he was having temper tantrums last year. they'll probably exile him to new york as punishment

[Knicksfan1992]

copyrighting haliburtkina right now for the rest of the draft process.

If it was 2006 Obi would be a great draft pick. There were a lot of stretch 4’s that weren’t great defenders. The nba just took that idea one step further and put a wing there now instead. He probably ends up more like Bobby Portis instead of Amare. I feel bad for him though, he really could have rose his stock in the NCAA tourney. If he was that good Dayton would have made a run and you could see match up against some power conference teams instead of the scrubby ones in the A10.

A10 slander will not be tolerated in this thread

[blanko]

At no. 6?

Hey... that’s not guaranteed... we could drop even lower

I think Wingo was talking about the player chosen not the draft position.

RJ Hampton is basically Dante Exum. Yeah great athleticism, can put up some real explosive dunks if he has a clear path to the basket and look great during practices. But not enough actual basketball skills and (more importantly) basketball moxy to do much when a game is actually gets tough. Hampton IMO is one of those guys that bought into his own hype early on and never improved a lick and he doesn't really have any serious NBA caliber basketball skills. As its, what's the worst the Knicks can be picking? 9th overall? If so, no reason for the Knicks to be selecting RJ Hampton at any point. Maybe if they trade down (no, they shouldn't) and end up with a pick in the mid-teens. Hampton is IMO not BPA at any point through picks 1 and 9 and he's most definitely not worth a 1-9 pick if you are looking to fill a need (cause he honestly and again, doesn't do anything at an NBA level that you can use him immediately for).

1 Dante was a plus defender with great wingspan. That's one major difference. I don't think RJ has the physical tools nor The desire to be a great defender.

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[3toheadmelo]

7’0 with a 7’7 wingspan. He a monster fr fr

Watch on YouTube

[Richard4444]

I think obi will be drafted by a high pick. Teams need more wings than PGs or bigs.

He definitely appears to be the wild card at this point though things could change after the combine ... if there’s a combine ... if we ever have a lottery.

I also think the Cavs will take him if Deni and Ball are off the board. He’s a local prospect and I think they are ready to move on from Tristan and Love can always play Center.

They will max/near max Drummond.

[frothbrain]

No playoffs should mean equally lottery odds for all 30 teams.
Enjoy the 10th pick

[rajajackal]

No playoffs should mean equally lottery odds for all 30 teams.
Enjoy the 10th pick

if they do the playoffs using the frozen seedings, it would be a great time to trial a lottery tournament also using the frozen seedings

[El Poochio]

Conspiracy theory: They released the virus so that they could finally rig the lottery for Knicks again behind closed doors