Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion

[ILOVEIT]

This reminds me a lot of Curry or Griffin. I think the smaller Ja has the best chance of having a longer and sustainable impact to a championship type scenario. Zion, like Griffin, will have the more hype and highlights, but will VERY likely break down within 3-4 years. It's a fact: The body can not continue to sustain that level of athletic activity in such a heavy body. He needs to drop 20 lb's or he's in trouble. IMO

[LBJKB24MJ23]

This reminds me a lot of Curry or Griffin. I think the smaller Ja has the best chance of having a longer and sustainable impact to a championship type scenario. Zion, like Griffin, will have the more hype and highlights, but will VERY likely break down within 3-4 years. It's a fact: The body can not continue to sustain that level of athletic activity in such a heavy body. He needs to drop 20 lb's or he's in trouble. IMO

Ja is a guard. he's going to be more of a difference maker long term since he's probably going to handling the ball way more than Zion ever will.

Zion will have some great years but i think his physical dominance will take a toll on his body long term.

barring any injuries though, Ja is more likely a difference maker based on the guard-oriented league where you need elite guards to win the game.

[sfernald]

This reminds me a lot of Curry or Griffin. I think the smaller Ja has the best chance of having a longer and sustainable impact to a championship type scenario. Zion, like Griffin, will have the more hype and highlights, but will VERY likely break down within 3-4 years. It's a fact: The body can not continue to sustain that level of athletic activity in such a heavy body. He needs to drop 20 lb's or he's in trouble. IMO

Or it could be more like the 2008 draft where Derrick Rose breaks himself down to a shadow of himself cause he's a guard and Brook Lopez a 7 footer is still playing strong.

[Smirk]

I truly feel like if the season had finished completely, Zion would have stolen it. He was just that good. On another level.

But he simply didn't play enough games. It is Ja's. And that's cool. Both are going to be great.

I think Zion will be on another level from everyone in the long run though.

[lordjeff05]

With the season stopped now I’m fine with Ja getting it, but Zion was a better playing in both advanced stats and old school counting stats.

The Pels were waaaaay better with him on the floor.

What I will say is that Jah was better in the clutch which backs up the idea that because he’s a ball handler he can affect the game in major ways.

However, I will say that it’s important to note that the Warriors are the only team since the Pistons to win a chip when their best player was the point guard and Jay’s size will be an impediment his entire career.

Granted he’s just a rook but Jrue shut him down as a bigger more aggressive defender and there will be more of that Type of defense in the playoffs.

[Crizzle]

With the season stopped now I’m fine with Ja getting it, but Zion was a better playing in both advanced stats and old school counting stats.

The Pels were waaaaay better with him on the floor.

What I will say is that Jah was better in the clutch which backs up the idea that because he’s a ball handler he can affect the game in major ways.

However, I will say that it’s important to note that the Warriors are the only team since the Pistons to win a chip when their best player was the point guard and Jay’s size will be an impediment his entire career.

Granted he’s just a rook but Jrue shut him down as a bigger more aggressive defender and there will be more of that Type of defense in the playoffs.

I feel JJJ has to max his potential and end up being the best of the two

[NO-KG-AI]

I wish the Grizz weren't such a good organization and we could have coaxed them into a trade for #2.

Or if the Lakers had gotten the #2 pick... I know I'm just being greedy

[Spens1]

Ja just based on the fact that he played the full season, Zion was injured for a fair bit and Ja led the Grizzlies to be a playoff contender, that in itself is very impressive.

[MemphisX]

I wish the Grizz weren't such a good organization and we could have coaxed them into a trade for #2.

Or if the Lakers had gotten the #2 pick... I know I'm just being greedy

If Chris Wallace was still there, you might have had a chance.

[lordjeff05]

With the season stopped now I’m fine with Ja getting it, but Zion was a better playing in both advanced stats and old school counting stats.

The Pels were waaaaay better with him on the floor.

What I will say is that Jah was better in the clutch which backs up the idea that because he’s a ball handler he can affect the game in major ways.

However, I will say that it’s important to note that the Warriors are the only team since the Pistons to win a chip when their best player was the point guard and Jay’s size will be an impediment his entire career.

Granted he’s just a rook but Jrue shut him down as a bigger more aggressive defender and there will be more of that Type of defense in the playoffs.

I feel JJJ has to max his potential and end up being the best of the two

JJJ is a prototype big and I am as excited as anyone about his potential. Are you saying he has a chance to be better than Jah or Zion? I don’t see that but you never know. He gives me a Rasheed Wallace vibe in so far as he has the potential to be able to do everything on both ends of the court but I don’t know if I see him consistently taking over games like Jah and Zion.

I don’t think people realize how dominant Zion was this year. Go look up how many rooks had his average points per game . Not impressed because of the short year? Go look at how many games he got over 25 points a game and compare it to any rookie of the last 30 years. Don’t care about counting stats? Look at his net rating.

At every level of competition Zion has been doubted and has dominated.

[Crizzle]

With the season stopped now I’m fine with Ja getting it, but Zion was a better playing in both advanced stats and old school counting stats.

The Pels were waaaaay better with him on the floor.

What I will say is that Jah was better in the clutch which backs up the idea that because he’s a ball handler he can affect the game in major ways.

However, I will say that it’s important to note that the Warriors are the only team since the Pistons to win a chip when their best player was the point guard and Jay’s size will be an impediment his entire career.

Granted he’s just a rook but Jrue shut him down as a bigger more aggressive defender and there will be more of that Type of defense in the playoffs.

I feel JJJ has to max his potential and end up being the best of the two

JJJ is a prototype big and I am as excited as anyone about his potential. Are you saying he has a chance to be better than Jah or Zion? I don’t see that but you never know. He gives me a Rasheed Wallace vibe in so far as he has the potential to be able to do everything on both ends of the court but I don’t know if I see him consistently taking over games like Jah and Zion.

I don’t think people realize how dominant Zion was this year. Go look up how many rooks had his average points per game . Not impressed because of the short year? Go look at how many games he got over 25 points a game and compare it to any rookie of the last 30 years. Don’t care about counting stats? Look at his net rating.

At every level of competition Zion has been doubted and has dominated.

I think that if the grizzlies end up becoming true contenders, JJJ is gonna have to be the best player on the team. I think with his potential he will end up having more impact on winning than Ja. But thats just personal opinion

[MemphisX]

With the season stopped now I’m fine with Ja getting it, but Zion was a better playing in both advanced stats and old school counting stats.

The Pels were waaaaay better with him on the floor.

What I will say is that Jah was better in the clutch which backs up the idea that because he’s a ball handler he can affect the game in major ways.

However, I will say that it’s important to note that the Warriors are the only team since the Pistons to win a chip when their best player was the point guard and Jay’s size will be an impediment his entire career.

Granted he’s just a rook but Jrue shut him down as a bigger more aggressive defender and there will be more of that Type of defense in the playoffs.

I feel JJJ has to max his potential and end up being the best of the two

JJJ is a prototype big and I am as excited as anyone about his potential. Are you saying he has a chance to be better than Jah or Zion? I don’t see that but you never know. He gives me a Rasheed Wallace vibe in so far as he has the potential to be able to do everything on both ends of the court but I don’t know if I see him consistently taking over games like Jah and Zion.

I don’t think people realize how dominant Zion was this year. Go look up how many rooks had his average points per game . Not impressed because of the short year? Go look at how many games he got over 25 points a game and compare it to any rookie of the last 30 years. Don’t care about counting stats? Look at his net rating.

At every level of competition Zion has been doubted and has dominated.

My running comp for JJJ is Dirk. I see him blossoming into an elite scorer.

[Soulyss]

Zion's peak is higher, but the body breaks down... Ja wins ROY and has the better, longer career.

[HotelVitale]

This reminds me a lot of Curry or Griffin. I think the smaller Ja has the best chance of having a longer and sustainable impact to a championship type scenario. Zion, like Griffin, will have the more hype and highlights, but will VERY likely break down within 3-4 years. It's a fact: The body can not continue to sustain that level of athletic activity in such a heavy body. He needs to drop 20 lb's or he's in trouble. IMO

Ja is a guard. he's going to be more of a difference maker long term since he's probably going to handling the ball way more than Zion ever will. Zion will have some great years but i think his physical dominance will take a toll on his body long term. barring any injuries though, Ja is more likely a difference maker based on the guard-oriented league where you need elite guards to win the game.

This seems incredibly prescriptive. The difference between a lower level star and a superstar are clear and generally have little to do with some differences of size or position or anything else. One of these players will end up simply being better and obviously more impactful at what they do, and that's what we're trying to talk about here.

Ja may have a little leg up because of position, but I actually think by far Ja's biggest limiting factor is volume--and volume is the only thing that guards/lead initiators have the big advantage with now. I won't elaborate now but I could very easily see Zion being able to carry much more volume than Ja.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Or it could be more like the 2008 draft where Derrick Rose breaks himself down to a shadow of himself cause he's a guard and Brook Lopez a 7 footer is still playing strong.

I'm not Derrick Rose's biggest fan by any stretch but at a shadow of his former just had a significantly more productive season than Lopez did. Granted, Lopez got to play with Giannis and coach Bud which helped the total in the win category.

[Boarman1]

Zion is a different breed

The point guard position overflows with talent every year, it's easier to find a good/star level point guard than a star level power forward

Zion also has more potential than Ja

I love Ja Morant and he's going to be a great player, but if we're talking about the next face of the league, Zion is up there for discussion.

[J___Av]

This reminds me a lot of Curry or Griffin. I think the smaller Ja has the best chance of having a longer and sustainable impact to a championship type scenario. Zion, like Griffin, will have the more hype and highlights, but will VERY likely break down within 3-4 years. It's a fact: The body can not continue to sustain that level of athletic activity in such a heavy body. He needs to drop 20 lb's or he's in trouble. IMO

Ja is a guard. he's going to be more of a difference maker long term since he's probably going to handling the ball way more than Zion ever will.

Have you ever seen Zion play? Just him being out there doing nothing has a massive positive impact on his team because the other team is always focused on stopping him. His gravity is ridiculous and he is only going to be a bigger impact when his ball handling gets better (right now when he puts the ball on the floor he either blows by everyone or loses it lol). Zion is bringing back old school bully ball and if he stays healthy he will be the better player. Ja being a PG doesn't mean he will be better. I would take prime Shaq over prime Nash any day of the week

[drosereturn]

Zion is a different breed

The point guard position overflows with talent every year, it's easier to find a good/star level point guard than a star level power forward

Zion also has more potential than Ja

I love Ja Morant and he's going to be a great player, but if we're talking about the next face of the league, Zion is up there for discussion.

Health is 50% of the equation you missed out. Zion could be Griffin 2.0 as impressive as he is.

[ADMVP]

Zion is a different breed

The point guard position overflows with talent every year, it's easier to find a good/star level point guard than a star level power forward

Zion also has more potential than Ja

I love Ja Morant and he's going to be a great player, but if we're talking about the next face of the league, Zion is up there for discussion.

Health is 50% of the equation you missed out. Zion could be Griffin 2.0 as impressive as he is.

Ja could just as easily be Derrick Rose.

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[BIGJ1ER]

Or it could be more like the 2008 draft where Derrick Rose breaks himself down to a shadow of himself cause he's a guard and Brook Lopez a 7 footer is still playing strong.

I'm not Derrick Rose's biggest fan by any stretch but at a shadow of his former just had a significantly more productive season than Lopez did. Granted, Lopez got to play with Giannis and coach Bud which helped the total in the win category.

I disagree strongly here, Lopez is in the discussion for DPOY (or atleast should be) and rose is scoring 18ppg on 55%TS with bad defence on a +0.9 on/off while playing against bench units alot.

I'm not high on 2020 rose at all, or really any post injury rose for that matter.