chitownsalesmen wrote:dice wrote:chitownsalesmen wrote:
Bro look I could go line by line with you on all of this, I have one question for you do you think black QB's are given an equal opportunity to succeed?
no. and if you read my post that's exactly what i said: white QBs are given opportunities that they maybe shouldn't be. that doesn't mean that black QB's AREN'T. because they have been for at least 20 yearsdo you know what warren moon went through? He was told he was too short to play QB at 6'3", look into doug willams career and just exactly where the state of Black QB's was as recently as the late 80's was shameful
of course. but i wasn't talking about the 1980sand black QB's are also always expected to be able to step in to play far sooner then their white counter parts.
didn't you just say they weren't getting opportunities? now you're saying they're getting opportunities too quickly!
and i don't think you're correct on that point anyway. it makes no senseTheir is just no way any black QB could have been drafted #2 then went on to play as terribly as Trubisky has over the past 3 seasons and still be on the same roster, let alone still in consideration for starting!
complete and utter nonsense. first of all, trubisky made the pro bowl the season before last. NO QB TAKEN #2 OVERALL would be kicked to the curb after a single season of regression whether he is white, black or purple
jamarcus russell played much worse than trubisky for his 3 seasons in the league before the raiders gave up on him. did nothing but stink up the stadium. meanwhile tim tebow, a guy any team would want to be the face of their franchise - a white jesus of sorts - didn't get the opportunities that many people felt he deserved. he played better than russell and got about half the snaps. so you're making **** upYou can add up how many Black QB's fail vs. how many White QB's fail but thats very similar to say for example comparing the number of blacks arrested for drug possession vs. the number of whites arrested for drug possession, I really didn't give a good dnam what the numbers of broken system say.
you're right. facts be damned. your emotions are all that matters. if a black QB fails, it's someone else's fault. if he succeeds, he should've been drafted higher. scouts, white and black alike, should have put aside their prejudices and realized that the black player's struggles in college were due to coachingIt's not just that a few good black QB's have entered the league in the last few years its that arguably 4/5 top QBs are black (Wilson, Mahomes, Watson, Jackson) and they are all changing the game in radical ways not seen since, you guessed it Mike Vick.
and those that failed didn't change the game at all
none of those guys you mentioned have changed the game at all other than jackson, by the way. mahomes is largely a pocket passer with a big arm. he's just really damn good. wilson is the evolution of steve young and fran tarkenton before him. deshaun watson is what johnny manziel was supposed to be
Ok bro listen if you think a black QB's get the same shake I'm not going to try to compare notes with you any further.
i don't. and i told you the same thing when you tried this junk after my last post (see my first response to your straightforward question above). get your fingers out of your ears
and you have no notes to compare. you have emotions. i am the one who did a little research, which happens to refute your position
-black QBs have more or less been getting a fair shake for a long, long time. the fact that you had to introduce warren moon (the first great black QB in league history, and due to that perhaps thus the last to have had to overcome substantial discrimination) into the conversation is evidence of that. they are getting opportunities that they deserve. because they are on average performing appropriately relative to their draft position. warren moon blew open doors that had been ajar. randall cunningham walked right through those doors (first pro bowl the same year as moon's first) and was a precursor to michael vick and lamar jackson stylistically. that was in the '80s. doug williams was a first round pick in the '70s and frankly didn't live up to that promise
-white QBs are getting MORE than a fair shake. they are getting MORE opportunities than they deserve. because more of them are failing relative to their draft position
if there's any lesson here, it's not that GMs should be drafting a black QB INSTEAD of a white QB. it's that they should more often be drafting other POSITIONS high in the draft instead of the white QB