Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[mpharris36]

Not much the Knicks could’ve done. They tried to get untouchable franchise players from other teams and they said no. Can’t blame them for the deal they took. DSJ was a good prospect his first two years and looked like he was going to make a big leap this year. Of course that didn’t happen. And then their plan b for free agency was trash. I only liked the Randle deal but we did him no favors considering the roster construction around him so everybody hates him now. Lol.

we tried for a couple pieces but they DIDN'T do a league wide search. But if you read my tweets above a majority of the league didn't even know he was available. They pin pointed a few teams that either had a young player they wanted or had a young player + cap space. They exhausted like 2-3 options when you could have canvassed the entire league for the best offer.

KP might not have had 2017 trade value when Phil wanted to trade him but there were plenty of teams that were interested and he had value that didn't even know he was available.

Marc Stein said the opposite. Knicks did their homework and couldn’t get anything better.

The Knicks spent much of January quietly canvassing the league for potential Porzingis trades, according to a person familiar with the talks who was not authorized to discuss them publicly. They tried for untouchables such as Utah’s Donovan Mitchell and Sacramento’s De’Aaron Fox and, predictably, were rebuffed.

The reality is that KP’s value was low. If we can’t get Fox, Mitchell, Bagley, etc, then what other better player we could’ve gotten? Marc Stein even says that there was no chance we could have gotten a player like SGA either. So who are you suggesting the Knicks should’ve gotten?

Fox and Mitchell is one thing. It doesn't say it was straight up for Bagley ans Deeeez posted an article above that even Stein alluded to it in his article that the knicks desired cap space in any trade with KP.

They were never getting healthy top rookie contract players but they could have searched for a teams with better potential draft picks and maximized that instead of looking to clear THjr and Lee...which most teams believed would take 2 1st round picks to get them off the knicks.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Not much the Knicks could’ve done. They tried to get untouchable franchise players from other teams and they said no. Can’t blame them for the deal they took. DSJ was a good prospect his first two years and looked like he was going to make a big leap this year. Of course that didn’t happen. And then their plan b for free agency was trash. I only liked the Randle deal but we did him no favors considering the roster construction around him so everybody hates him now. Lol.

we tried for a couple pieces but they DIDN'T do a league wide search. But if you read my tweets above a majority of the league didn't even know he was available. They pin pointed a few teams that either had a young player they wanted or had a young player + cap space. They exhausted like 2-3 options when you could have canvassed the entire league for the best offer.

KP might not have had 2017 trade value when Phil wanted to trade him but there were plenty of teams that were interested and he had value that didn't even know he was available.

Marc Stein said the opposite. Knicks did their homework and couldn’t get anything better.

The Knicks spent much of January quietly canvassing the league for potential Porzingis trades, according to a person familiar with the talks who was not authorized to discuss them publicly. They tried for untouchables such as Utah’s Donovan Mitchell and Sacramento’s De’Aaron Fox and, predictably, were rebuffed.

The reality is that KP’s value was low. If we can’t get Fox, Mitchell, Bagley, etc, then what other better player we could’ve gotten? Marc Stein even says that there was no chance we could have gotten a player like SGA either. So who are you suggesting the Knicks should’ve gotten?

according to a person familiar with the talks who was not authorized to discuss them publicly

[3toheadmelo]

They wanted to clear cap space and go after free agents. Only a few teams could do that.

Check my post above. They didn’t only make the deal for cap space

They weren't getting Fox/Mitchell for an injured KP up for an extension. If anything that was just more Mills spin to make it look like they were doing due diligence. It was clear their priority was cap space and going after 2 max cats...anything else was gravy. It should have been the opposite...get the most young players/picks and any salary relief is gravy. Even the article from Stein that you mentioned talks about that. It was a horrible deal. We got a poo poo platter, when we should have got a meal

Why didn’t the Knicks shop the Dallas deal for something better?

The Knicks were convinced that no team besides Dallas would take the Hardaway and Lee contracts and package a player of Smith’s caliber with first-round draft picks.

How can the Knicks be sure they got the best possible deal?

It turns out that the Knicks spent much of January quietly canvassing the league for potential Porzingis deals, according to a person familiar with the talks who was not authorized to discuss them publicly. They tried — unsuccessfully — to trade for untouchables such as Utah’s Donovan Mitchell and Sacramento’s De’Aaron Fox.

But the Knicks knew all along that the Mavericks had the wherewithal to meet many of their trade objectives and, just as crucially, that Dallas was generally unfazed by the torn anterior cruciate ligament Porzingis suffered last February.

Yeah but he also says we tried for untouchables too. So while cap space was a big thing they wanted, it is not like they didn’t try to get better players as well.

[3toheadmelo]

we tried for a couple pieces but they DIDN'T do a league wide search. But if you read my tweets above a majority of the league didn't even know he was available. They pin pointed a few teams that either had a young player they wanted or had a young player + cap space. They exhausted like 2-3 options when you could have canvassed the entire league for the best offer.

KP might not have had 2017 trade value when Phil wanted to trade him but there were plenty of teams that were interested and he had value that didn't even know he was available.

Marc Stein said the opposite. Knicks did their homework and couldn’t get anything better.

The Knicks spent much of January quietly canvassing the league for potential Porzingis trades, according to a person familiar with the talks who was not authorized to discuss them publicly. They tried for untouchables such as Utah’s Donovan Mitchell and Sacramento’s De’Aaron Fox and, predictably, were rebuffed.

The reality is that KP’s value was low. If we can’t get Fox, Mitchell, Bagley, etc, then what other better player we could’ve gotten? Marc Stein even says that there was no chance we could have gotten a player like SGA either. So who are you suggesting the Knicks should’ve gotten?

Fox and Mitchell is one thing. It doesn't say it was straight up for Bagley ans Deeeez posted an article above that even Stein alluded to it in his article that the knicks desired cap space in any trade with KP.

They were never getting healthy top rookie contract players but they could have searched for a teams with better potential draft picks and maximized that instead of looking to clear THjr and Lee...which most teams believed would take 2 1st round picks to get them off the knicks.

Q: I’m a long-suffering Knicks fan disgusted by the Kristaps Porzingis deal. If the target was salary-cap relief, future draft picks and a top young player, surely there had to be more viable options on the table. I have two suggestions myself: Why didn’t the Knicks try to make a similar deal with Sacramento to get Marvin Bagley — or with the Clippers to get Shea Gilgeous-Alexander? — Michael Saponara
STEIN: We published a very detailed piece last week to explain why the Knicks decided to dance with Dallas, but I will expound on that a little bit here.
Let’s use your proposed deals. I’m told that the Knicks, for starters, tried to engage Sacramento on the Bagley trade concept you suggest. But much like their attempts to engage the Kings in De’Aaron Fox discussions, those inquiries were flatly rejected.

[mpharris36]

Marc Stein said the opposite. Knicks did their homework and couldn’t get anything better.


The reality is that KP’s value was low. If we can’t get Fox, Mitchell, Bagley, etc, then what other better player we could’ve gotten? Marc Stein even says that there was no chance we could have gotten a player like SGA either. So who are you suggesting the Knicks should’ve gotten?

Fox and Mitchell is one thing. It doesn't say it was straight up for Bagley ans Deeeez posted an article above that even Stein alluded to it in his article that the knicks desired cap space in any trade with KP.

They were never getting healthy top rookie contract players but they could have searched for a teams with better potential draft picks and maximized that instead of looking to clear THjr and Lee...which most teams believed would take 2 1st round picks to get them off the knicks.

Q: I’m a long-suffering Knicks fan disgusted by the Kristaps Porzingis deal. If the target was salary-cap relief, future draft picks and a top young player, surely there had to be more viable options on the table. I have two suggestions myself: Why didn’t the Knicks try to make a similar deal with Sacramento to get Marvin Bagley — or with the Clippers to get Shea Gilgeous-Alexander? — Michael Saponara
STEIN: We published a very detailed piece last week to explain why the Knicks decided to dance with Dallas, but I will expound on that a little bit here.
Let’s use your proposed deals. I’m told that the Knicks, for starters, tried to engage Sacramento on the Bagley trade concept you suggest. But much like their attempts to engage the Kings in De’Aaron Fox discussions, those inquiries were flatly rejected.

correct the bagley trade concept was the same as our DSJ deal. It was Bagley, expirings, and future picks for KP, THJ, and Lee.

They wanted THJ and Lee gone in a Bagley trade concept

[3toheadmelo]

So if we were never getting top healthy rookie contract players, what type of picks are you even expecting? We def not getting no top 10 pick either.

We should’ve traded KP back in the 2017 draft. That was when offers were much better. But Phil got fired (rightfully so) so that was the end of it. Oh well.

[mpharris36]

So if we were never getting top healthy rookie contract players, what type of picks are you even expecting? We def not getting no top 10 pick either.

We should’ve traded KP back in the 2017 draft. That was when offers were much better. But Phil got fired (rightfully so) so that was the end of it. Oh well.

how do you know? Thats why reporters tweeted the Knicks didn't need to make the move at the deadline they could have waited at the draft. They asked for a couple untouchable players, lip service if you ask me. In a deal surrounding draft picks they wanted cap relief. If they ignored the cap relief and just focused on the return they could have maximized the draft pick value. Instead they traded him to a team that had an up and coming generational player and those picks unless a catastrophic injury happened are going to be late 1st rounders because they wanted the DJ and Wes Matthews expirings.

[thebuzzardman]

Jesus. Re-litigating the KP trade again.

[3toheadmelo]

So if we were never getting top healthy rookie contract players, what type of picks are you even expecting? We def not getting no top 10 pick either.

We should’ve traded KP back in the 2017 draft. That was when offers were much better. But Phil got fired (rightfully so) so that was the end of it. Oh well.

how do you know? Thats why reporters tweeted the Knicks didn't need to make the move at the deadline they could have waited at the draft. They asked for a couple untouchable players, lip service if you ask me. In a deal surrounding draft picks they wanted cap relief. If they ignored the cap relief and just focused on the return they could have maximized the draft pick value. Instead they traded him to a team that had an up and coming generational player and those picks unless a catastrophic injury happened are going to be late 1st rounders because they wanted the DJ and Wes Matthews expirings.

Yeah well I’m not buying that. I doubt that cap space was stopping us from getting better picks. If we can’t get top players on rookie contracts then we sure as hell ain’t getting a top 10 pick either.

Anyways I’m done talking about this. KP is dead to me and Mark Cuban can kick rocks

[mpharris36]

So if we were never getting top healthy rookie contract players, what type of picks are you even expecting? We def not getting no top 10 pick either.

We should’ve traded KP back in the 2017 draft. That was when offers were much better. But Phil got fired (rightfully so) so that was the end of it. Oh well.

how do you know? Thats why reporters tweeted the Knicks didn't need to make the move at the deadline they could have waited at the draft. They asked for a couple untouchable players, lip service if you ask me. In a deal surrounding draft picks they wanted cap relief. If they ignored the cap relief and just focused on the return they could have maximized the draft pick value. Instead they traded him to a team that had an up and coming generational player and those picks unless a catastrophic injury happened are going to be late 1st rounders because they wanted the DJ and Wes Matthews expirings.

Yeah well I’m not buying that. I doubt that cap space was stopping us from getting better picks. If we can’t get top players on rookie contracts then we sure as hell ain’t getting a top 10 pick either.

Anyways I’m done talking about this. KP is dead to me and Mark Cuban can kick rocks

Fox and Mitchell would cost more than a top 10 pick because they have proven to be top 10 hits. So they have more value than a top 10 pick.

Knicks couldn't trade there current pick now for Mitchell or Fox.

So if you are going by a value chart.

Fox or Mitchell > a top 10 pick

So that doesn't rule out a trade...they just made a trade that serviced our front office needs. The cap space is super valuable. At the time it probably was the most valuable asset in the trade. DSJ was an OK prospect at the time. The picks had to be known as most liekly not lotto. So the $30+ million in cap space and getting rid of two bad contracts was probably the most valuable piece of the trade if we are valuing what we got back.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Check my post above. They didn’t only make the deal for cap space

They weren't getting Fox/Mitchell for an injured KP up for an extension. If anything that was just more Mills spin to make it look like they were doing due diligence. It was clear their priority was cap space and going after 2 max cats...anything else was gravy. It should have been the opposite...get the most young players/picks and any salary relief is gravy. Even the article from Stein that you mentioned talks about that. It was a horrible deal. We got a poo poo platter, when we should have got a meal

Why didn’t the Knicks shop the Dallas deal for something better?

The Knicks were convinced that no team besides Dallas would take the Hardaway and Lee contracts and package a player of Smith’s caliber with first-round draft picks.

How can the Knicks be sure they got the best possible deal?

It turns out that the Knicks spent much of January quietly canvassing the league for potential Porzingis deals, according to a person familiar with the talks who was not authorized to discuss them publicly. They tried — unsuccessfully — to trade for untouchables such as Utah’s Donovan Mitchell and Sacramento’s De’Aaron Fox.

But the Knicks knew all along that the Mavericks had the wherewithal to meet many of their trade objectives and, just as crucially, that Dallas was generally unfazed by the torn anterior cruciate ligament Porzingis suffered last February.

Yeah but he also says we tried for untouchables too. So while cap space was a big thing they wanted, it is not like they didn’t try to get better players as well.

They werent looking for the best young players/picks. They thought they were getting Durant and Kyrie and went for that. That was the main reason. Everything else is spin. They even got Dolan all hyped up about it.

The meeting lasted less than five minutes, league sources told ESPN.

Hours later, New York traded Porzingis to the Mavericks

But multiple teams interested in making an offer for Porzingis said that they were unable to do so before New York traded Porzingis to Dallas, league sources said.

The Knicks were looking for salary-cap relief and young players or future first-round picks in a trade. So while the Knicks could have fielded more offers for Porzingis -- possibly increasing their return in the process -- the transaction with Dallas seemingly accomplished their objective."

[mpharris36]

They weren't getting Fox/Mitchell for an injured KP up for an extension. If anything that was just more Mills spin to make it look like they were doing due diligence. It was clear their priority was cap space and going after 2 max cats...anything else was gravy. It should have been the opposite...get the most young players/picks and any salary relief is gravy. Even the article from Stein that you mentioned talks about that. It was a horrible deal. We got a poo poo platter, when we should have got a meal

Yeah but he also says we tried for untouchables too. So while cap space was a big thing they wanted, it is not like they didn’t try to get better players as well.

They werent looking for the best young players/picks. They thought they were getting Durant and Kyrie and went for that. That was the main reason. Everything else is spin. They even got Dolan all hyped up about it.

The meeting lasted less than five minutes, league sources told ESPN.

Hours later, New York traded Porzingis to the Mavericks

But multiple teams interested in making an offer for Porzingis said that they were unable to do so before New York traded Porzingis to Dallas, league sources said.

The Knicks were looking for salary-cap relief and young players or future first-round picks in a trade. So while the Knicks could have fielded more offers for Porzingis -- possibly increasing their return in the process -- the transaction with Dallas seemingly accomplished their objective."

no doubt. The wanted the cap space so bad that it allowed Dolan to go on radio proclaiming that he was told big things were going to happen via FA....

[WargamesX]

Yeah but he also says we tried for untouchables too. So while cap space was a big thing they wanted, it is not like they didn’t try to get better players as well.

They werent looking for the best young players/picks. They thought they were getting Durant and Kyrie and went for that. That was the main reason. Everything else is spin. They even got Dolan all hyped up about it.

The meeting lasted less than five minutes, league sources told ESPN.

Hours later, New York traded Porzingis to the Mavericks

But multiple teams interested in making an offer for Porzingis said that they were unable to do so before New York traded Porzingis to Dallas, league sources said.

The Knicks were looking for salary-cap relief and young players or future first-round picks in a trade. So while the Knicks could have fielded more offers for Porzingis -- possibly increasing their return in the process -- the transaction with Dallas seemingly accomplished their objective."

no doubt. The wanted the cap space so bad that it allowed Dolan to go on radio proclaiming that he was told big things were going to happen via FA....

LMAO Dolan is such a clueless rube

[HerSports85]

I just want a lineup of

Haliburton / Frank
LaVine / Nesmith
RJ / Iggy
Morris / Wooten
Mitch / Taj

[Thepaintismine]

So if we were never getting top healthy rookie contract players, what type of picks are you even expecting? We def not getting no top 10 pick either.

We should’ve traded KP back in the 2017 draft. That was when offers were much better. But Phil got fired (rightfully so) so that was the end of it. Oh well.

Most likely we got what we could for him, very very good player but damaged goods. I don't think it was a good trade or bad trade, but we did get rid of 2 bad contracts (that none of us liked to begin wit.) The first pick we get probably doesn't amount to a great positional 1st round pick, so I'm hoping we snatch a steal with it. And now at least we have some assets.

[knickstape21]

I just want a lineup of

Haliburton / Frank
LaVine / Nesmith
RJ / Iggy
Morris / Wooten
Mitch / Taj

32-50 record.

10th overall pick in draft. Miss out on top talent.

Rinse and repeat.

[malik959]

They werent looking for the best young players/picks. They thought they were getting Durant and Kyrie and went for that. That was the main reason. Everything else is spin. They even got Dolan all hyped up about it.

no doubt. The wanted the cap space so bad that it allowed Dolan to go on radio proclaiming that he was told big things were going to happen via FA....

LMAO Dolan is such a clueless rube

Yeshe is, but come on KP was damaged good. an injury prone 7' power forward that refuse to play center, had bad off court antics, was going through a major issuse with the law, has never played a full season and had an illness that made sure of it. We had two players with untouchable contracts, and we were trying to bring in stars.

Things just fell apart in Knicks fashion. KP looks decent, allthough he only had to play a quarter of the season, DSJ got injured in the offseason and had a major death in his family and never recovered from it, we didn't get our stars (one had a major injury and I'm glad we didn't get him due to age and the other one is a injury prone Cinderella), Jordan never resigned (got a hefty contract from the Nets, we dodged a bullet).

A lot of things are unknowns and speculations, we don't know if KP, Durant, or Kyrie will ever stay healthy. We don't know if DSJ will ever come back down to earth. We don't know what these picks are going to turn out to be. The trade wasn't bad, it just hasn't been completed.

[WargamesX]

no doubt. The wanted the cap space so bad that it allowed Dolan to go on radio proclaiming that he was told big things were going to happen via FA....

LMAO Dolan is such a clueless rube

Yeshe is, but come on KP was damaged good. an injury prone 7' power forward that refuse to play center, had bad off court antics, was going through a major issuse with the law, has never played a full season and had an illness that made sure of it. We had two players with untouchable contracts, and we were trying to bring in stars.

Things just fell apart in Knicks fashion. KP looks decent, allthough he only had to play a quarter of the season, DSJ got injured in the offseason and had a major death in his family and never recovered from it, we didn't get our stars (one had a major injury and I'm glad we didn't get him due to age and the other one is a injury prone Cinderella), Jordan never resigned (got a hefty contract from the Nets, we dodged a bullet).

A lot of things are unknowns and speculations, we don't know if KP, Durant, or Kyrie will ever stay healthy. We don't know if DSJ will ever come back down to earth. We don't know what these picks are going to turn out to be. The trade wasn't bad, it just hasn't been completed.

You are right. Its not as clear cut as other lolknicks.

I still think the way they did that trade was bad. They could have given it more time to try and find the best deal. Calling Cuban like that is irresponsible and going all in on the belief they would get KD was a mistake.

[malik959]

LMAO Dolan is such a clueless rube

Yeshe is, but come on KP was damaged good. an injury prone 7' power forward that refuse to play center, had bad off court antics, was going through a major issuse with the law, has never played a full season and had an illness that made sure of it. We had two players with untouchable contracts, and we were trying to bring in stars.

Things just fell apart in Knicks fashion. KP looks decent, allthough he only had to play a quarter of the season, DSJ got injured in the offseason and had a major death in his family and never recovered from it, we didn't get our stars (one had a major injury and I'm glad we didn't get him due to age and the other one is a injury prone Cinderella), Jordan never resigned (got a hefty contract from the Nets, we dodged a bullet).

A lot of things are unknowns and speculations, we don't know if KP, Durant, or Kyrie will ever stay healthy. We don't know if DSJ will ever come back down to earth. We don't know what these picks are going to turn out to be. The trade wasn't bad, it just hasn't been completed.

You are right. Its not as clear cut as other lolknicks.

I still think the way they did that trade was bad. They could have given it more time to try and find the best deal. Calling Cuban like that is irresponsible and going all in on the belief they would get KD was a mistake.

There were reports long before that the Knicks had shopped KP and nobody wanted him unless we ponyed up. They had an offer on the table for months with Dallas so they revisited and took the deal. We all knew he was being shipped, heck Phill was shopping him.

Everybody "knew" NY was getting Kyrie and Durant. But for the longest there was only one NY team and everybody from owners, players, media, fans heard that they were going to NY. There were no rumors of Brooklyn so "Everybody ASSumed it was the Knicks. So yeah they went all in on getting Kyrie and Durant. EVERYONE wanted this, but when it failed, for once no fault of the Knicks, we took the hit because everyone hates the Knicks and our history of bad deals have killed us.

What's funny is after a while we all wanted KP gone. He was injury prone and we all knew the writing was on the wall. We knew he would not bring back a star, we all wanted picks, we knew we needed cap relief, and we al wanted youth. Well we got that, but of course we're never happy because we expect the best. We expect to be the ones to screw over the other teams.

[WargamesX]

Yeshe is, but come on KP was damaged good. an injury prone 7' power forward that refuse to play center, had bad off court antics, was going through a major issuse with the law, has never played a full season and had an illness that made sure of it. We had two players with untouchable contracts, and we were trying to bring in stars.

Things just fell apart in Knicks fashion. KP looks decent, allthough he only had to play a quarter of the season, DSJ got injured in the offseason and had a major death in his family and never recovered from it, we didn't get our stars (one had a major injury and I'm glad we didn't get him due to age and the other one is a injury prone Cinderella), Jordan never resigned (got a hefty contract from the Nets, we dodged a bullet).

A lot of things are unknowns and speculations, we don't know if KP, Durant, or Kyrie will ever stay healthy. We don't know if DSJ will ever come back down to earth. We don't know what these picks are going to turn out to be. The trade wasn't bad, it just hasn't been completed.

You are right. Its not as clear cut as other lolknicks.

I still think the way they did that trade was bad. They could have given it more time to try and find the best deal. Calling Cuban like that is irresponsible and going all in on the belief they would get KD was a mistake.

There were reports long before that the Knicks had shopped KP and nobody wanted him unless we ponyed up. They had an offer on the table for months with Dallas so they revisited and took the deal. We all knew he was being shipped, heck Phill was shopping him.

Everybody "knew" NY was getting Kyrie and Durant. But for the longest there was only one NY team and everybody from owners, players, media, fans heard that they were going to NY. There were no rumors of Brooklyn so "Everybody ASSumed it was the Knicks. So yeah they went all in on getting Kyrie and Durant. EVERYONE wanted this, but when it failed, for once no fault of the Knicks, we took the hit because everyone hates the Knicks and our history of bad deals have killed us.

This would be the narrative except teams complained they didn't know KP was on the market, plus prioritizing cap space over assets is a major L unless you know how to use it. Cuban is comparing this deal to the Harden deal for a reason. All-stars being traded on their rookie contract is rare and valuable. It remains to be seen, but we have to see if they can turn nothing but potential into something to make this trade more fair.