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shrink wrote:Speaking of injury risks, what do you guys think of Oladipo, if IND can’t come to an agreement on an extension?
He turned down 4 for $80 when he was hurt.
minimus wrote:Mattya wrote:I think OPJ would be the better fit in a trade back.
Wolves pick, Johnson, Layman, Evans, Spellman for OPJ, Bulls pick
JJ, Culver, Evans, Spellman, Nowell, MIN FRP for OPJ, CHI pick, Wendell Carter Jr
Draft Vassell. And add microwave scorer such as Maxey, Kira Lewis Jr.
KAT/Carter Jr/Reid
OPJ/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Okogie/Layman/Vassell
Beasley/Vassell/Martin
DLo/Maxey/JMac
shrink wrote:Speaking of injury risks, what do you guys think of Oladipo, if IND can’t come to an agreement on an extension?
He turned down 4 for $80 when he was hurt.
karch34 wrote:minimus wrote:Mattya wrote:I think OPJ would be the better fit in a trade back.
Wolves pick, Johnson, Layman, Evans, Spellman for OPJ, Bulls pick
JJ, Culver, Evans, Spellman, Nowell, MIN FRP for OPJ, CHI pick, Wendell Carter Jr
Draft Vassell. And add microwave scorer such as Maxey, Kira Lewis Jr.
KAT/Carter Jr/Reid
OPJ/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Okogie/Layman/Vassell
Beasley/Vassell/Martin
DLo/Maxey/JMac
Not against OPJ as I think he'd fit well, but I'm looking hard at the 28mil for him. That's a lot of salary especially if we look at Beasley and Juancho coming back. If he's not the piece we need he expires next year but I don't see where that would open up cap to make another move.
Sign5 wrote:Yea not happening, I expected a better retort but what do I expect from realgm(ers) in 2025. Just quote and state things that lack context, then repeat the same thing over and over as if something new and profound was said. Just lol.
shrink wrote:Which of these win-now players would you trade the pick for?
Devin Booker. $29,430,000 $31,610,000 $33,790,000 $35,970,000
Aaron Gordon. $18,136,364 $16,409,091
Buddy Hield. $24,431,818 $22,477,273 $20,522,727 $18,568,182
Jrue Holiday. $26,131,111 $27,020,000 PO
Victor Oladipo. $21,000,000
Otto Porter Jr. $28,489,239
Josh Richardson. $10,800,000
minimus wrote:shrink wrote:Which of these win-now players would you trade the pick for?
Devin Booker. $29,430,000 $31,610,000 $33,790,000 $35,970,000
Aaron Gordon. $18,136,364 $16,409,091
Buddy Hield. $24,431,818 $22,477,273 $20,522,727 $18,568,182
Jrue Holiday. $26,131,111 $27,020,000 PO
Victor Oladipo. $21,000,000
Otto Porter Jr. $28,489,239
Josh Richardson. $10,800,000
First three, but by using different combination of assets.
P.S. Josh Richardson has PO in 2021-22. Id trade BRO pick for him.
Sign5 wrote:Yea not happening, I expected a better retort but what do I expect from realgm(ers) in 2025. Just quote and state things that lack context, then repeat the same thing over and over as if something new and profound was said. Just lol.
shrink wrote:Which of these win-now players would you trade the pick for?
Devin Booker. $29,430,000 $31,610,000 $33,790,000 $35,970,000
Aaron Gordon. $18,136,364 $16,409,091
Buddy Hield. $24,431,818 $22,477,273 $20,522,727 $18,568,182
Jrue Holiday. $26,131,111 $27,020,000 PO
Victor Oladipo. $21,000,000
Otto Porter Jr. $28,489,239
Josh Richardson. $10,800,000
shrink wrote:Which of these win-now players would you trade the pick for?
Victor Oladipo. $21,000,000
Josh Richardson. $10,800,000
Jrue Holiday. $26,131,111 $27,020,000 PO
Jedzz wrote:shrink wrote:Which of these win-now players would you trade the pick for?
Devin Booker. $29,430,000 $31,610,000 $33,790,000 $35,970,000
Aaron Gordon. $18,136,364 $16,409,091
Buddy Hield. $24,431,818 $22,477,273 $20,522,727 $18,568,182
Jrue Holiday. $26,131,111 $27,020,000 PO
Victor Oladipo. $21,000,000
Otto Porter Jr. $28,489,239
Josh Richardson. $10,800,000
What kind of insanity would have to be sent out to attain Booker? Two FRPS this year plus sign and trade Beasley plus?
Gordon and Hield are probably more affordable. Gordon doesn't help outside shooting at all but maybe works well in many other ways for this team. Hield might be what the doctor ordered as the 3 pt shooter outlet that wants those shots as much as you will give him. Trade eveything not tied down outside Dlo/Kat/Beasley and somehow get both Gordon and Hield and let's make a run without much depth. I suppose someone will say we can't afford Beasley if paying Hield. I don't care. They can do anything they want. Warriors do.
SaintS wrote:shrink wrote:Which of these win-now players would you trade the pick for?
Victor Oladipo. $21,000,000
Josh Richardson. $10,800,000
Jrue Holiday. $26,131,111 $27,020,000 PO
in such order, for sure it's a JB situation and all of them can leave a team, but a see that this guys can bring much more balance to the team instead of Book AG or Hield
minimus wrote:I know that shrink will disagree, but I actually think that AG as complimentary player fits our system the most. We must convert that high percentage shot at rim. We will create a ton of such shots when KAT/DLo/Beasley stretch the floor. We will try to run in fastbreaks, we need to defend in broken camp. I'd pay Gordon 18ml, 16ml to be that player.
In Feb.2020 he played 12 games:
18.6ppg, 9rpg, 5.7apg, 1.2spg, 1bpg, 48%FG, 40% from 3pt.
Sign5 wrote:Yea not happening, I expected a better retort but what do I expect from realgm(ers) in 2025. Just quote and state things that lack context, then repeat the same thing over and over as if something new and profound was said. Just lol.
shrink wrote:minimus wrote:I know that shrink will disagree, but I actually think that AG as complimentary player fits our system the most. We must convert that high percentage shot at rim. We will create a ton of such shots when KAT/DLo/Beasley stretch the floor. We will try to run in fastbreaks, we need to defend in broken camp. I'd pay Gordon 18ml, 16ml to be that player.
In Feb.2020 he played 12 games:
18.6ppg, 9rpg, 5.7apg, 1.2spg, 1bpg, 48%FG, 40% from 3pt.
I am not as down on Gordon as I once was, but people always over-represent what he is. I’m not surprised he had a good month - he always has one good month a year, and then people think since he’s 24, he’ll continue to do this, and probably get better.
The truth is that his best year was three years ago .. last year was arguably his worst. I often see people post what he does in a good month, but in January in 13 games, he shot 27.1% from 3. For the season, he had an eFG% of 47.9% (bad) and a 3P% of 30.1%.
I don’t think he’s a horrible fit, but I am extremely worried that he won’t be a threat from the three point line (31.8% career), and we’ve seen firsthand how the offense struggles when opposing defenders don’t have to stretch out to the three point line. I believe this is especially important from our PF, because it erases the mismatch Towns give us (our team’s greatest strength), and allows opposing coaches to keep a slow big man center packed down in the lane, letting their mobile PF guard Towns.
If we traded for him, we would have to pray that better looks would turn him into a three point threat. But even if they did, he won’t turn into Covington (38%), who is much better at both the three, and the D, that we will depend on.
Sign5 wrote:Yea not happening, I expected a better retort but what do I expect from realgm(ers) in 2025. Just quote and state things that lack context, then repeat the same thing over and over as if something new and profound was said. Just lol.
shrink wrote:For this team, I do not think you can make up for a bad three point shooter at the PF spot with good three point shooting at other positions.
Take the Utah back-to-back this year. Rudy Gobert is one of the four great centers in the NBA, and Towns played him off the floor in their first meeting. The Jazz kept Gobert under the rim (where he is one of the best ever at altering shots), and Towns scorched him from the outside. The next night, to keep Gobert on the court, they actually had him chasing Towns around on the perimeter! This demonstrates how disruptive Towns can be with the correct pieces around him - the Jazz were even willing to play Gobert out of position.
This all goes away if we add a PF who is not a three point threat. The Jazz would have simply had Gobert defend, say, Taj Gibson, and any other Wolves player that drove to the hoop. They couldn’t do that if we had Covington, and I hope that any PF we add will be enough of a threat that the big slow centers like Gobert, Embiid, Jokic .. and especially guys like Gasol, Steven Adams, Kevin Love etc, will be neutralized when they face our front court.
minimus wrote:shrink wrote:For this team, I do not think you can make up for a bad three point shooter at the PF spot with good three point shooting at other positions.
Take the Utah back-to-back this year. Rudy Gobert is one of the four great centers in the NBA, and Towns played him off the floor in their first meeting. The Jazz kept Gobert under the rim (where he is one of the best ever at altering shots), and Towns scorched him from the outside. The next night, to keep Gobert on the court, they actually had him chasing Towns around on the perimeter! This demonstrates how disruptive Towns can be with the correct pieces around him - the Jazz were even willing to play Gobert out of position.
This all goes away if we add a PF who is not a three point threat. The Jazz would have simply had Gobert defend, say, Taj Gibson, and any other Wolves player that drove to the hoop. They couldn’t do that if we had Covington, and I hope that any PF we add will be enough of a threat that the big slow centers like Gobert, Embiid, Jokic .. and especially guys like Gasol, Steven Adams, Kevin Love etc, will be neutralized when they face our front court.
Gordon hits 30% of treys this year. Which is bad for a wing. However, it is okay for a big to keep offense honest, because he is not a wing in our offense. KAT plays more like a wing, so Gordon can play more like a big. It is up to Okogie, Culver, Martin, Nowell to shoot better than 26-30% from 3pt line.
Sign5 wrote:Yea not happening, I expected a better retort but what do I expect from realgm(ers) in 2025. Just quote and state things that lack context, then repeat the same thing over and over as if something new and profound was said. Just lol.
shrink wrote:minimus wrote:shrink wrote:For this team, I do not think you can make up for a bad three point shooter at the PF spot with good three point shooting at other positions.
Take the Utah back-to-back this year. Rudy Gobert is one of the four great centers in the NBA, and Towns played him off the floor in their first meeting. The Jazz kept Gobert under the rim (where he is one of the best ever at altering shots), and Towns scorched him from the outside. The next night, to keep Gobert on the court, they actually had him chasing Towns around on the perimeter! This demonstrates how disruptive Towns can be with the correct pieces around him - the Jazz were even willing to play Gobert out of position.
This all goes away if we add a PF who is not a three point threat. The Jazz would have simply had Gobert defend, say, Taj Gibson, and any other Wolves player that drove to the hoop. They couldn’t do that if we had Covington, and I hope that any PF we add will be enough of a threat that the big slow centers like Gobert, Embiid, Jokic .. and especially guys like Gasol, Steven Adams, Kevin Love etc, will be neutralized when they face our front court.
Gordon hits 30% of treys this year. Which is bad for a wing. However, it is okay for a big to keep offense honest, because he is not a wing in our offense. KAT plays more like a wing, so Gordon can play more like a big. It is up to Okogie, Culver, Martin, Nowell to shoot better than 26-30% from 3pt line.
I completely disagree, as I said in the last post. The PF needs to shoot three’s, or we lose our match up advantage.
shrink wrote:For this team, I do not think you can make up for a bad three point shooter at the PF spot with good three point shooting at other positions.
Take the Utah back-to-back this year. Rudy Gobert is one of the four great centers in the NBA, and Towns played him off the floor in their first meeting. The Jazz kept Gobert under the rim (where he is one of the best ever at altering shots), and Towns scorched him from the outside. The next night, to keep Gobert on the court, they actually had him chasing Towns around on the perimeter! This demonstrates how disruptive Towns can be with the correct pieces around him - the Jazz were even willing to play Gobert out of position.
This all goes away if we add a PF who is not a three point threat. The Jazz would have simply had Gobert defend, say, Taj Gibson, and any other Wolves player that drove to the hoop. They couldn’t do that if we had Covington, and I hope that any PF we add will be enough of a threat that the big slow centers like Gobert, Embiid, Jokic .. and especially guys like Gasol, Steven Adams, Kevin Love etc, will be neutralized when they face our front court.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
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