Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[youngcrev]

Also, Josh Richardson is pretty redundant on this roster. He's a very good defender, but Thybulle will easily pass him. He's an okay creator/mediocre shooter while Shake is currently better at both, imo. If you can get a lottery pick for him and possibly get an intriguing talent, I'd be interested.

However, I would also be fine using him as a sweetener to get an actual high level scoring guard.

Yes and no in terms of being redundant. I don't completely disagree with anything you said. But with him being a considerably better offensive player than Mattise and a considerably better defensive player than Shake, you could flip it around and say he makes both of those guys redundant since he provides the best of each. I wouldn't be comfortable putting Shake out there with another poor defender in the backcourt, and I wouldnt feel comfortable putting Mattise out there with another guy that lacks ball skills, while Josh can kinda fit with anyone.

I think the biggest motivator in dealing him would be simply that we can't afford to keep him at the moment with our cap situation. That, plus him simply being one of the few actual value pieces we have for a trade to fill other needs.

[youngcrev]

I'm not sure Ariza wouldn't end up having more impact than Richardson, despite the lesser production.

Richardson's weak attempts at filling a creation/production role have really tanked a lot of his efficiency and shooting percentages. And his defense has taken a huge hit with his newfound offensive energy expenditure. He's not a very good player right now. Subpar on both ends.

Ariza is a bigger and better defender and probably wouldn't fuss about much offensively. Just hit assisted shots when called upon.

I don't think the misguided attempt to make him a primary creator is reflective of the player. In similar roles, I think he'd be a far more effective player than Ariza at this stage. Let him go all out on defense and be a spot up/attack the close out player on offense.

[Negrodamus]

Also, Josh Richardson is pretty redundant on this roster. He's a very good defender, but Thybulle will easily pass him. He's an okay creator/mediocre shooter while Shake is currently better at both, imo. If you can get a lottery pick for him and possibly get an intriguing talent, I'd be interested.

However, I would also be fine using him as a sweetener to get an actual high level scoring guard.

Yes and no in terms of being redundant. I don't completely disagree with anything you said. But with him being a considerably better offensive player than Mattise and a considerably better defensive player than Shake, you could flip it around and say he makes both of those guys redundant since he provides the best of each. I wouldn't be comfortable putting Shake out there with another poor defender in the backcourt, and I wouldnt feel comfortable putting Mattise out there with another guy that lacks ball skills, while Josh can kinda fit with anyone.

I think the biggest motivator in dealing him would be simply that we can't afford to keep him at the moment with our cap situation. That, plus him simply being one of the few actual value pieces we have for a trade to fill other needs.

I think my problem with him is that he's just good at both, but isn't a knockdown three point shooter. If he were shooting 37% from 3, we'd have a completely different looking team and he'd be a vital piece. He's in this middle area between strictly role player and a potential offensive creator and he doesn't do either well enough to really make me feel like he's an essential piece to this team moving forward.

[AllHype3]

Also, Josh Richardson is pretty redundant on this roster. He's a very good defender, but Thybulle will easily pass him. He's an okay creator/mediocre shooter while Shake is currently better at both, imo. If you can get a lottery pick for him and possibly get an intriguing talent, I'd be interested.

However, I would also be fine using him as a sweetener to get an actual high level scoring guard.

Yes and no in terms of being redundant. I don't completely disagree with anything you said. But with him being a considerably better offensive player than Mattise and a considerably better defensive player than Shake, you could flip it around and say he makes both of those guys redundant since he provides the best of each. I wouldn't be comfortable putting Shake out there with another poor defender in the backcourt, and I wouldnt feel comfortable putting Mattise out there with another guy that lacks ball skills, while Josh can kinda fit with anyone.

I think the biggest motivator in dealing him would be simply that we can't afford to keep him at the moment with our cap situation. That, plus him simply being one of the few actual value pieces we have for a trade to fill other needs.

Jrich to Clippers for Shamet and Zubac. A deal for Horford would need to be in place.

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[Kobblehead]

I don't think the misguided attempt to make him a primary creator is reflective of the player. In similar roles, I think he'd be a far more effective player than Ariza at this stage. Let him go all out on defense and be a spot up/attack the close out player on offense.

Keep in mind that Richardson's waning effectiveness dates back to his last year in Miami. This is now 2 years in a row where's he leaned more into shotcreation/scoring with negative effects to his defense and efficiency numbers.

I just don't think Josh Richardson is a very good basketball player anymore. He's been bad on both ends for two seasons in a row.

If I can get Ariza and a lotto pick, I think that's a no brainer.

[Kobblehead]

Like mentioned, we already have Richardson's replacement in place. Thybulle is a far better defender and should have no problems shooting the low-to-mid 30s from three that Richardson provides. And we come away with a bountifully experienced 6'8" perimeter defender on an expiring in Ariza. And we potentially come away with a longterm starter by way of lotto pick. Win-win-win.

[SparksFly87]

76ers need to focus on bringing marksmen in here who can put the ball on the floor like guys Buddy Hield and Barnes type plays to surround Embiid these are the type players that give Embiid and Simmons the best production.


I think Horford, Josh Richardson and M. scott trade for Hield and Barnes is a perfect trade for both teams .

Embiid/ Pelle /
Tobias/ Barnes
Thybulle/korkmaz / Shayok
Hield / Zhiare
Simmons/ Shake

[Kobblehead]

We had marksmen that were defensive zeros in Redick/Saric. That didn't help Embiid/Simmons in the playoffs because those marksmen were targeted and destroyed in defensive matchups in the halfcourt. Hield/Barnes would just be more of that.

[Kobblehead]

Look at the Raptors last year. Kawhi was doing all the heavy lifting, but they were fielding non-exploitable defensive players in every spot of the lineup.

Green, Vanvleet, Lowry, Powell.

No matter what combination, Kawhi and their bigs never had a defensive liability on the floor with them. And that allowed them to plays 48 minutes of strong defense and pull away whenever they were clicking offensively.

[SparksFly87]

Perfect offseason to me is

Horford, Josh Richardson and Zhiare for Hield and Barnes

Trade

Tobias Harris and Shayok for CJ Mccolum


CJ/ Shake
Hield/ Burks resigned
Simmons/Thybulle/ kormaz
Barnes/Scott/ ——
embiid/Pelle

Balanced team .

Right now, we're a top 10 defense and a middle of the pack offense.

With this roster, I think we become a top 10 offense and middle of the pack defense.

So I don't think we'd strike a balance, we'd just flip our deficiencies to the other side of the court.

Balance

Horford, J Rich and Scott for Hield and Barnes.


Embiid/ Pelle
Harris/ Barnes
Thybulle/ Korkmaz
Hield/ Zhiare
Simmons / Shake


Zhaire and Pelle are two guys we have in our farm system that should be able to step in a defensive specialists next year.

[Kobblehead]

Again, I don't think that's balance. I think you're just turning the team upside down and creating a new deficiency.

Pelle and Smith likely aren't even NBA players.

[Kobblehead]

Give me De'Aaron Fox and I'll take whatever additional piece the Kings want to make us take on. I just ain't taking two losing players from them and thinking that's going to make us a better team.

[youngcrev]

I don't think the misguided attempt to make him a primary creator is reflective of the player. In similar roles, I think he'd be a far more effective player than Ariza at this stage. Let him go all out on defense and be a spot up/attack the close out player on offense.

Keep in mind that Richardson's waning effectiveness dates back to his last year in Miami. This is now 2 years in a row where's he leaned more into shotcreation/scoring with negative effects to his defense and efficiency numbers.

I just don't think Josh Richardson is a very good basketball player anymore. He's been bad on both ends for two seasons in a row.

If I can get Ariza and a lotto pick, I think that's a no brainer.

Is how he's used on him or the coaching staff? I'd lean towards the latter. Doesn't seem like an ego guy to me.

And I strongly disagree about his defense. Even on a team full of defensive talent, the Sixers were 1.9 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor. Opposing players shot 2.2% below their normal FG% with him on them. Versatile 1-3 defender that can defend point of attack, chase off ball, or iso players. I'm not really sure what's not to like about him defensively.

[youngcrev]

Also, Josh Richardson is pretty redundant on this roster. He's a very good defender, but Thybulle will easily pass him. He's an okay creator/mediocre shooter while Shake is currently better at both, imo. If you can get a lottery pick for him and possibly get an intriguing talent, I'd be interested.

However, I would also be fine using him as a sweetener to get an actual high level scoring guard.

Yes and no in terms of being redundant. I don't completely disagree with anything you said. But with him being a considerably better offensive player than Mattise and a considerably better defensive player than Shake, you could flip it around and say he makes both of those guys redundant since he provides the best of each. I wouldn't be comfortable putting Shake out there with another poor defender in the backcourt, and I wouldnt feel comfortable putting Mattise out there with another guy that lacks ball skills, while Josh can kinda fit with anyone.

I think the biggest motivator in dealing him would be simply that we can't afford to keep him at the moment with our cap situation. That, plus him simply being one of the few actual value pieces we have for a trade to fill other needs.

I think my problem with him is that he's just good at both, but isn't a knockdown three point shooter. If he were shooting 37% from 3, we'd have a completely different looking team and he'd be a vital piece. He's in this middle area between strictly role player and a potential offensive creator and he doesn't do either well enough to really make me feel like he's an essential piece to this team moving forward.

He shot over 38% on catch and shoot 3s the previous 2 years (on decent volume). I think his percentages took a hit from the hamstring. Seemed like every time he'd get it going he'd have flair up and miss time.

[Kobblehead]

I'm sure Spolstra/Brown did express to him that they'd like him to expand his offensive game.
I'm also sure Josh sees the financial value down the line that will come with his increased scoring production.

Either way, the end result is the same. Which is diminishing defensive ability and subpar scoring efficiency

Josh has been truly dreadful at the point of attack, defensively. He's fine as a help defender and he has recovered at times after getting beat, but he's been getting blown by on the ball all season.

[youngcrev]

We had marksmen that were defensive zeros in Redick/Saric. That didn't help Embiid/Simmons in the playoffs because those marksmen were targeted and destroyed in defensive matchups in the halfcourt. Hield/Barnes would just be more of that.

I think offense has been what has snake bitten them in the playoffs moreso than the defense.

[Kobblehead]

I think offense has been what has snake bitten them in the playoffs moreso than the defense.

Playing terrible defensive players such high volume minutes sure didn't help matters.

But yeah, you could say our lack of scoring off the dribble has been our biggest playoff detriment.

But again, neither Hield or Barnes help with that.

[Kobblehead]

The way I see it:

Unrealistic fantasy acquisitions:
- Donovan Mitchell
- Shai Gilgelous-Alexander
- De'Aaron Fox

Attainable but expensive:
- Chris Paul
- Jrue Holiday

Risky, but potentially fruitful:
- Mike Conley
- Terry Rozier

[Kobblehead]

A name that hasn't been tossed out there yet: Dejounte Murray

I have no reason to believe San Antonio would make him available, but he's locked up longterm on a great contract and he's some offensive development away from being an fantastic championship piece.

Can we come up with $15m worth of salary to entice them?

[Kobblehead]

For what it's worth, Murray is repped by Klutch and is friendly with Simmons.