2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[robillionaire]

cole probably won't be as bad as people are making him out to be. almost getting trae young vibes with how much hate he gets leading up to the draft, probably going to end up embarrassing some folks. i was never really high on him and the criticisms of his season are mostly fair but I think we're deep into underrated territory. if we get him 7-10 I can't be mad at it although i'd still rather trade up

[CoreyVillains]

Just dropped my full 12 min Okongwu breakdown. Gonna be a good player that makes any team better.

Watch on YouTube

[malik959]

I watched one game of cole where he was making beautiful passes but his teammates had it going. nothing fancy but he had a good balance of scoring and passing.

Could him not trusting his teammates enough have something to do with the lack of overall passing or is it just him lacking the ability to consistently see the plays or a little of both?

Seriously Tre Jones is better than Coleslaw

Watch on YouTube

Dont do this to yourself Rhodey Cole is %99 a Knick better start hoping he develops to be our Lil Dame lol

Cole was infoul trouble, he did a great job staying in front o Jones. Outside of that he could not pick up another foul.

[robillionaire]

okongwu looks like julius randle with worse passing and better shot blocking

it's hard for me to justify taking a 6'9 non-shooting 4/undersized 5 with a top 10 pick

[knickstape21]

Would be the best core piece we could sign through free agency, just need to find a dumping ground for Randle. Make it happen Rose. Add a sniper wing to the mix and we got something

I’d rather just not spend and be as flexible as possible for 2021. 2 lottery picks and all the cap in the world again for a wild FA class. Wood can go somewhere else.

We're not signing any marquee free agents in 2021. We need to build a team now. Whoever wants to come can make it known they want to come, then we can move whatever contracts need to be moved to make it happen but missing out on talent just to take the risk of striking out isn't worth it. Build a team now, don't waste RJ's youth selling him on some fantasy free agents who aint coming

Just because we always miss out doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try again. Nail the draft picks, go full force into FA. None of this middle of the pack crap.

[mpharris36]

okongwu looks like julius randle with worse passing and better shot blocking

it's hard for me to justify taking a 6'9 non-shooting 4/undersized 5 with a top 10 pick

his 7'1 wingspan will allow him to play center pretty easily. He's a good player and worthy of a top 10 pick because I see production as a rim runner and rim protector. There is some more offensive upside in terms of passing + face up ability.

So I think he can be a Clint Capela type with a bit more offensive skills then just catching alley oops. The knicks don't need him though. But I can see a little bit of Bam...but not as skilled.

[3toheadmelo]

okongwu looks like julius randle with worse passing and better shot blocking

it's hard for me to justify taking a 6'9 non-shooting 4/undersized 5 with a top 10 pick

Bam has similar measurements and is an all star, so I think that’s why Okongwu is intriguing. But Bam is a lot more versatile than Okongwu so I am not sure how good he’ll be

[robillionaire]

okongwu looks like julius randle with worse passing and better shot blocking

it's hard for me to justify taking a 6'9 non-shooting 4/undersized 5 with a top 10 pick

Bam has similar measurements and is an all star, so I think that’s why Okongwu is intriguing. But Bam is a lot more versatile than Okongwu so I am not sure how good he’ll be

Bam can pass though that’s what makes him good OO averaged like 1 ast per game and looked like he just forced a lot of post ups and back downs that aren’t that desirable in the nba now

edit: to be fair bam also averaged 1 in ncaa, so that was an unexpected development. but bam wasn't a top 10 pick either

[knickstape21]

Would be the best core piece we could sign through free agency, just need to find a dumping ground for Randle. Make it happen Rose. Add a sniper wing to the mix and we got something

I’d rather just not spend and be as flexible as possible for 2021. 2 lottery picks and all the cap in the world again for a wild FA class. Wood can go somewhere else.

We're not signing any marquee free agents in 2021. We need to build a team now. Whoever wants to come can make it known they want to come, then we can move whatever contracts need to be moved to make it happen but missing out on talent just to take the risk of striking out isn't worth it. Build a team now, don't waste RJ's youth selling him on some fantasy free agents who aint coming

Lol I’ve seen this story way too many times man. Just because we didn’t get top FAs recently doesn’t mean we don’t try again. All or nothing. Middle of the pack is the WORST position to be in.

[3toheadmelo]

okongwu looks like julius randle with worse passing and better shot blocking

it's hard for me to justify taking a 6'9 non-shooting 4/undersized 5 with a top 10 pick

Bam has similar measurements and is an all star, so I think that’s why Okongwu is intriguing. But Bam is a lot more versatile than Okongwu so I am not sure how good he’ll be

Bam can pass though that’s what makes him good OO averaged like 1 ast per game and looked like he just forced a lot of post ups and back downs that aren’t that desirable in the nba now

Yeah that’s why I said Bam is more versatile. He is basically a point center. Post ups and back downs are still effective in today’s NBA but only effective if you are a dominant scorer. I don’t see Okungwu as that. He’s like Robert Williams that can hit the occasional jumper I suppose.

[Deeeez Knicks]

cole probably won't be as bad as people are making him out to be. almost getting trae young vibes with how much hate he gets leading up to the draft, probably going to end up embarrassing some folks. i was never really high on him and the criticisms of his season are mostly fair but I think we're deep into underrated territory. if we get him 7-10 I can't be mad at it although i'd still rather trade up

Yea a lot of people didn't like Trae either. Trae was better in college, but i think Cole can be good. He has some toughness, a good fighting mentality.

[newyorker4ever]

Conspiracy theory: They released the virus so that they could finally rig the lottery for Knicks again behind closed doors

It would be just the Knicks luck to get the #1 pick in a draft that has no superstar players in it. We were the top 3 in the odds last year and then wqhen it got down to 3 teams left we had the best odds of the 3 teams and still couldn't get the #1 pick or even the #2 pick to be able to draft Ja Morant, they probably would of drafted Barrett over Ja anyway cause.........Knicks.

[robillionaire]

Conspiracy theory: They released the virus so that they could finally rig the lottery for Knicks again behind closed doors

It would be just the Knicks luck to get the #1 pick in a draft that has no superstar players in it. We were the top 3 in the odds last year and then wqhen it got down to 3 teams left we had the best odds of the 3 teams and still couldn't get the #1 pick or even the #2 pick to be able to draft Ja Morant, they probably would of drafted Barrett over Ja anyway cause.........Knicks.

the other 2 of the bottom 3 teams with the same 14% odds we had ended up dropping back 3 spots to 5th and 6th so it could have been worse as far as I'm concerned we were lucky to get 3rd instead of 5th there was a 47.9% chance to pick 5th

also RJ is going to be a good player and i'd rather have lamelo than ja morant

[Gravy]

Conspiracy theory: They released the virus so that they could finally rig the lottery for Knicks again behind closed doors

It would be just the Knicks luck to get the #1 pick in a draft that has no superstar players in it. We were the top 3 in the odds last year and then wqhen it got down to 3 teams left we had the best odds of the 3 teams and still couldn't get the #1 pick or even the #2 pick to be able to draft Ja Morant, they probably would of drafted Barrett over Ja anyway cause.........Knicks.

This board hated Morant at draft time. It would have been a meltdown if we selected him

Now those same type of fans dont like Ball or Cole to a lesser extent.. hmmm

[newyorker4ever]

I hope we resign Randle 3 years from now

Which of this year’s draft prospects do you think is the best match for Randle’s game?

Probably Lamelo. He can break down the defense and create open looks for Randle. He’s a special passer imo

A backcourt that can't shoot in today's NBA would scare the crap out of me and would be a big setback if it doesn't work for us. Now if we moved RJ to SF and got a legit shooter at SG and K.Knox can hit that next level we need him to hit and put him at PF then it could work but would still be short on 3 point shooting.

[3toheadmelo]

Conspiracy theory: They released the virus so that they could finally rig the lottery for Knicks again behind closed doors

It would be just the Knicks luck to get the #1 pick in a draft that has no superstar players in it. We were the top 3 in the odds last year and then wqhen it got down to 3 teams left we had the best odds of the 3 teams and still couldn't get the #1 pick or even the #2 pick to be able to draft Ja Morant, they probably would of drafted Barrett over Ja anyway cause.........Knicks.

This board hated Morant at draft time. It would have been a meltdown if we selected him

Now those same type of fans dont like Ball or Cole to a lesser extent.. hmmm

I was high on Morant and I really like Lamelo but I don’t like Cole lol

[jvsimonetti0514]

cole probably won't be as bad as people are making him out to be. almost getting trae young vibes with how much hate he gets leading up to the draft, probably going to end up embarrassing some folks. i was never really high on him and the criticisms of his season are mostly fair but I think we're deep into underrated territory. if we get him 7-10 I can't be mad at it although i'd still rather trade up

Yea a lot of people didn't like Trae either. Trae was better in college, but i think Cole can be good. He has some toughness, a good fighting mentality.

Trae was much better in college but I do see some similarities in their seasons. They both had stretches of really good and really bad games. Trae’s highs were higher and lows not as low but it’s still valid comparison IMo.

Trae had like 11 or 12 games before the NCAA figured him out. I remember the ESPN hype machine going crazy and as soon as he started playing better teams with NBA length he got locked up. Outside of Hezi, I don’t think anyone on the board were big Trae fans. I know I didn’t even want him to work out for us.

The opposite happened with Cole. After that first game, Cole had a bunch of stinkers. Until he got hurt only had like 3 good games. It helps that those good games were against Notre Dame, Michigan and Oregon. You can’t have 4/14 games against teams like Elon or 5/22 against UNC Wilmington and keep the press and talent evaluators happy. Cole’s was much better when he got back from injury was much better and played closer to Trae’s stats. Less ppg and assists but similar efficiency.

[Gravy]

It would be just the Knicks luck to get the #1 pick in a draft that has no superstar players in it. We were the top 3 in the odds last year and then wqhen it got down to 3 teams left we had the best odds of the 3 teams and still couldn't get the #1 pick or even the #2 pick to be able to draft Ja Morant, they probably would of drafted Barrett over Ja anyway cause.........Knicks.

This board hated Morant at draft time. It would have been a meltdown if we selected him

Now those same type of fans dont like Ball or Cole to a lesser extent.. hmmm

I was high on Morant and I really like Lamelo but I don’t like Cole lol

My theory is on the money!

[newyorker4ever]

Not gonna lie, I was with ya until I saw Wood lol. Hard hard major pass on him.

Would be the best core piece we could sign through free agency, just need to find a dumping ground for Randle. Make it happen Rose. Add a sniper wing to the mix and we got something

What would you think about trading for Myles Turner for our PF spot? I saw something somewhere that he could be on the trade block. He can shoot the 3 ball, is good around the basket and blocks shots.

PG--Cole Anthony
SG--RJ Barrett
SF--A.Nesmith/K.Knox
PF--M.Turner
C---M.Robinson

If we can't get Nesmith with thta Clippers pick then maybe go defense with Patrick Williams (FSU) or S.Bey, T.Bey or go all in and use the Clippers pick and more to trade up for Deni Adija, Isaac Okoro, Jaden McDaniels. Unless K.Knox can take that next step and take the starting SF spot.

[WargamesX]

Seriously Tre Jones is better than Coleslaw

Watch on YouTube

Dont do this to yourself Rhodey Cole is %99 a Knick better start hoping he develops to be our Lil Dame lol

Cole was infoul trouble, he did a great job staying in front o Jones. Outside of that he could not pick up another foul.

Stop with the Stockholm syndrome. Him being a “scorer” why didn’t he score? He went long periods in the end there without doing what he is best at. Being in foul trouble or not Jones literally outplayed him and we seen evidence of even lesser PG’s doing the same.

The reason this video gets me wary is he doesn’t put them on his back to get the win like Ja or Trae would have. Like Tre did.....