2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1

[Negrodamus]

For one, I don’t think it’s particularly realistic to expect minutes from a late first rookie in the playoffs. That’s said, a player like Desmond Bane was an excellent creator, especially PnR, with good distribution numbers and elite perimeter shooting. He has some attributes that give off the impression that he’s capable of being an on ball player at the next level. However, he realistically will be 3&D with the D needing development. I could live with a guy like that despite him not being at the top of my list.

[Kobblehead]

Bane seems too heavily assisted throughout his college career for me to think he has any upside as a creator/scorer.

He's got some Malcolm Brogdon to his game, but he lacks Malcolm's elite free throw percentage and freakishly long arms (Bane is a pretty stubby bastard with t-rex arms). Also, he's probably going to be nearly unplayable, defensively. Just seems like an NBA bodied shooter with a decent secondary passing skill. Are those qualities going to be enough for him to offset him being 22, a bad defender, and not possessing standout 1-on-1 abilities?

Maybe with a late 2nd. I wouldn't consider him in the first or with one of our Top 40 picks.

[Kobblehead]

Trevelin Queen - 6'6" 190 pounds

- 73.9% free throw
- 3.9% steal, 3% block
- 20.8% assist

Nice undrafted free agent target. Elite defender with nice size. Good passing skill and semi-passable shooting profile.

Leading scorer and top defender on a 25-6 team with a Top 20 defense.

[Negrodamus]

Aside from playing against terrible competition, is there a reason Grant Riller is so low? His shooting profile is pretty great, he has explosiveness to the rim, and he generates turnovers (2+ STL% every year he was at CofC). He’s another one that I’d be completely content with drafting with our first rounder.

[Negrodamus]

Bane seems too heavily assisted throughout his college career for me to think he has any upside as a creator/scorer.

He's got some Malcolm Brogdon to his game, but he lacks Malcolm's elite free throw percentage and freakishly long arms (Bane is a pretty stubby bastard with t-rex arms). Also, he's probably going to be nearly unplayable, defensively. Just seems like an NBA bodied shooter with a decent secondary passing skill. Are those qualities going to be enough for him to offset him being 22, a bad defender, and not possessing standout 1-on-1 abilities?

Maybe with a late 2nd. I wouldn't consider him in the first or with one of our Top 40 picks.

I agree, he’s not a first round grade for me. I’m just saying that in terms of skill sets I can get around for a role player, he has them. It would be like drafting Shake in the first: yes, he was a creator at SMU, but his physical abilities limit him from being anything more than a role player. Still there is a potential upside to maintain intrigue.

[Kobblehead]

The Milton types are the kinds of picks I want to avoid, going forward. The subpar defensive players that aren't good enough creators to score on the ball in the halfcourt against NBA defenses. I think there's limited value in those guys once you reach certain team-oriented aspirations.

I was upset about the Thybulle pick, but I get it now. Between Korkmaz, Milton and Thybulle, I'd only want Matisse on the floor on a playoff run.

[Kobblehead]

I think Josh Green and Jahmi'us Ramsey have more appeal than some their vastly more talented freshmen counterparts.

[Negrodamus]

The Milton types are the kinds of picks I want to avoid, going forward. The subpar defensive players that aren't good enough creators to score on the ball in the halfcourt against NBA defenses. I think there's limited value in those guys once you reach certain team-oriented aspirations.

I was upset about the Thybulle pick, but I get it now. Between Korkmaz, Milton and Thybulle, I'd only want Matisse on the floor on a playoff run.

I actually very much disagree. Thybulle is the type of guy that gets exploited on defense in the playoffs as the stars go foul hunting. On top of that, he's providing nothing on offense. Kyle Lowry, Kyrie Irving, those guys get switched onto Thybulle and they're getting easy free throws.

Shake, on the other hand, was one of the few guys on the team that was hitting threes when we needed it the most. And with Ben out, he was honestly the only guy who could create for himself and others for a stretch. Remains to be seen how either will do in the playoffs, but I have my money on Shake providing more (especially with Ben back) for this team than what Matisse will do, unless Thybulle has been working on his shot during quarantine.

[Negrodamus]

On a separate note: the more I look into this draft, the more I understand how completely trash it currently is. Honestly, a first round int'l stash probably makes more sense. The guys I want to swing for the fences for will likely be in the second round.

[Negrodamus]

Have we discussed this guy?

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19 year old from Canada with a 7' wingspan. Don't know his stats. Seems to look for contact. Shot mechanics look sound. He is testing the waters.

[Kobblehead]

I'll take one of the best perimeter defenders in the entire NBA over a pair shooters/closeout attackers that can't guard their position.

While Milton/Korkmaz contribute to regular season offensive symmetry, the playoffs are a different animal. Their skillsets don't necessarily project to be as valuable the deeper in the playoffs you go. Neither can defend on the ball. Neither have 1-on-1 abilities to score in the halfcourt against playoff intensity defenders.

I think Thybulle presents far better playoff value. And of our non-defensive wings, I think Alec Burks would provide more playoff value than Milton/Korkmaz because of his shotcreating talent.

[Monix]

Have we discussed this guy?

19 year old from Canada with a 7' wingspan. Don't know his stats. Seems to look for contact. Shot mechanics look sound. He is testing the waters.

Would take him in the second if he's willing to be stashed in Europe or Australia, doesn't look like he ready to contribute (even on a 2-way)

[Negrodamus]

I'll take one of the best perimeter defenders in the entire NBA over a pair shooters/closeout attackers that can't guard their position.

While Milton/Korkmaz contribute to regular season offensive symmetry, the playoffs are a different animal. Their skillsets don't necessarily project to be as valuable the deeper in the playoffs you go. Neither can defend on the ball. Neither have 1-on-1 abilities to score in the halfcourt against playoff intensity defenders.

I think Thybulle presents far better playoff value. And of our non-defensive wings, I think Alec Burks would provide more playoff value than Milton/Korkmaz because of his shotcreating talent.

I don't know man. Robert Covington was a willing three point shooter with good form and an obviously good defender and his performance against Boston was dreadful. He wasn't even that good against the Heat.

Now I'm supposed to believe Thybulle is going to provide consistent elite defense (which remains to be seen consistently) and hit his shots? Maybe if he gets hot, but I have very low expectations from him in the playoffs. Especially as it gets more physical.

[Kobblehead]

I'm sure Robert Covington would be fine in subsequent playoff runs had he remained with us. And if he wasn't, that's a individual problem with his poise as opposed to being a problem with the archetype.

You want as many defenders on the floor that can turn defense into offense as you can, in the playoffs. If they happen to be a positive spacer on the offensive end, all the better.

What you can't afford is to put out defensive zeroes that can't score off the dribble against playoff intensity defense when they get chased off the three point line. There's no value in that. You gotta either be an exceptional shotcreator or a guy that can play defense. You can't be subpar or bad at both of those things.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I'm sure Robert Covington would be fine in subsequent playoff runs had he remained with us. And if he wasn't, that's a individual problem with his poise as opposed to being a problem with the archetype.

You want as many defenders on the floor that can turn defense into offense as you can, in the playoffs. If they happen to be a positive spacer on the offensive end, all the better.

What you can't afford is to put out defensive zeroes that can't score off the dribble against playoff intensity defense when they get chased off the three point line. There's no value in that. You gotta either be an exceptional shotcreator or a guy that can play defense. You can't be subpar or bad at both of those things.

Nah that’s if you have Kobe, AI or Jordan type players that can get you a bucket and scorer at high volume. Ben Simmons and Embiid need floor spacers that can put the ball on the floor this is way different then the typical perimeter bucket getters of the past.

[LeonJordanJr24]

The Milton types are the kinds of picks I want to avoid, going forward. The subpar defensive players that aren't good enough creators to score on the ball in the halfcourt against NBA defenses. I think there's limited value in those guys once you reach certain team-oriented aspirations.

I was upset about the Thybulle pick, but I get it now. Between Korkmaz, Milton and Thybulle, I'd only want Matisse on the floor on a playoff run.

What? We failed with Jimmy Butler , Covington type defenders that couldn’t get a bucket in the playoffs . We need offense weapons that can defend some around Our defensive core of Embiid, Thybulle and Simmons. Tobias is a actual good foundation piece of what type of players we need.

[Kobblehead]

Since when does Jimmy Butler struggle getting buckets? He's the shotcreator that can defend type that we need. Doubt you're getting anyone like that at #22 in this draft. You better be prepared to trade up to the lotto to get someone like that.

Again, just because we didn't win a championship in the one year we went to the playoffs with Robert Covington as a supporting piece or the one year we went to the playoffs with Jimmy Butler as a headliner doesn't mean we should avoid good defenders and strictly target spacers.

Also, disagree about Tobias. He's the losing skillset guy that we need to avoid.

[Kobblehead]

If we can't get a shotcreator with a winning skillset, I'd rather choke up the bat and hit a single to left field. Get a defensive player with an optimistic shooting profile (someone like Josh Green). Or pay the price to move up and get a difference-making creator. One that can hold his own defensively and ball out in the playoffs. Don't cheap out and settle for a defensive sieve or a spacer with no iso ability.

[Negrodamus]

As it stands, I'd probably lean towards using the first pick in a larger trade with one of Horford/Harris/Richardson. The first round of this draft, as mocks are projecting, is very rough. It's not like years past where I can really get behind a particular prospect in the first round. Too many flawed prospects.

I think the only guy I'd feel pretty confident in selecting in our range in the first round would be, once again, Patrick Williams. Even if it takes him time, he has the size/strength/shooting profile to eventually be at minimum a high level role player.

I've watched a few abridged games of Saben Lee and Malik Fitts; while they both have exceptional abilities to score at the rim, both have questions regarding the form on their shot (despite their 75+ FT%) which concerns me with how their three ball will translate at the next level. They also looked wholly uninterested on defense.

Even guys I've loved for a while have their issues. Myles Powell had a rough shooting year (likely due to injuries). He's also not a great defender himself.

Trade the first, grab a flawed prospect or two in the second round, and call it a day.

[Kobblehead]

I'm telling ya, this is the year to trade up and land a franchise-saving, all-NBA talent.

R.J. Hampton

He has the elite physical traits and two-way game to be a legitimate superstar. He's basically Zach Lavine with defense.

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