2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

El Poochio · Post #461 » by **El Poochio** » Mon May 11, 2020 1:03 pm

WargamesX wrote:https://thepaintedlines.com/potential-sixers-draft-target-patrick-williams/

I like this kid Patrick Williams at #27. I know he’s a tweener, but Florida State was a really good team this year and they have a habit of having good players underperform in their system. If he could develop him into a SF he would be scary

He goes before 27 nearly all of the mocks though I wouldnt hold my breath Ballmaro beast always there at 27

WargamesX · Post #462 » by **WargamesX** » Mon May 11, 2020 1:05 pm

robillionaire wrote:the knicks pels games with lamelo and rj vs lonzo and zion are going to be fun

The league loves stuff like that too for marketing.....

El Poochio · Post #463 » by **El Poochio** » Mon May 11, 2020 1:06 pm

robillionaire wrote:the knicks pels games with lamelo and rj vs lonzo and zion are going to be fun

Mitch will lock up Zion everyone agrees LaMelo is the best Ballbro Ingram will join Knicks and RJ will have a field day

KnicksGadfly · Post #464 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:02 pm

El Poochio wrote:
WargamesX wrote:https://thepaintedlines.com/potential-sixers-draft-target-patrick-williams/

I like this kid Patrick Williams at #27. I know he’s a tweener, but Florida State was a really good team this year and they have a habit of having good players underperform in their system. If he could develop him into a SF he would be scary

He goes before 27 nearly all of the mocks though I wouldnt hold my breath Ballmaro beast always there at 27

Yah. Let's see though. The Spurs always grab the one guy that falls...maybe that can be us this year.

Post #465 » by **moocow007** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:12 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Adding up the consensus, Knicks seem kind of screwed for a starting PG if they don't draft LaMelo for PG, and maybe even if they do!

In a word (or two)...Yes and yes.

WargamesX · Post #466 » by **WargamesX** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:16 pm

Its not that serious that is the mindset that led to taking Jordan Hill in 2009. Kira Lewis, Devon Vasseell, Theo Maledon, and Nico Mannion are still on the board. We all have our favorites but there is depth at guard to be drafted. The tiers go down based on draft stock but draft stock doesn't mean squat once you start playing in the league.

Post #467 » by **moocow007** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:18 pm

WargamesX wrote:Its not that serious that is the mindset that led to taking Jordan Hill in 2009. Kira Lewis, Devon Vasseell, Theo Maledon, and Nico Mannion are still on the board. We all have our favorites but there is depth at guard to be drafted. The tiers go down based on draft stock but draft stock doesn't mean squat once you start playing in the league.

Not arguing that and there absolutely are a lot of depth in this draft, but the point is that the Knicks need more than just depth. They already have depth. The 3 "point guards" on the roster are 'depth' guys. They can sign more depth in free agency with all that cap space they have. They need a lead guy...and not just any old lead guy, an absolute top tier lead guy. If the Knicks already had their lead guy and was just a playoff team looking for depth, then absolutely, I'd be real excited about lots of the guys you mentioned.

Post #468 » by **moocow007** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:23 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Just because Lonzo fixes his shot doesn’t mean that LaMelo will fix his. Just because they’re brothers? lol

There's the whole mentality thing that you may be missing. LaVar Ball is a perfectionist. That also carries over to his sons. It's the mentality that got Lonzo righted, not genes. Nature vs. Nurture. The Ball's have been "nurtured" into making sure you back your talk with your walk. Lonzo Ball appears to be doing that. That is the expectation that LaMelo should also be able to do that. It's not genes. Genes are arbitrary. The general take on the Ball brothers is that they aren't just doing this for fun, this is serious business, it's what they are. There's a much better chance guys with that type of mentality improving than random schmo's. Is it a guarantee that LaMelo would follow Lonzo into being a near 40% shooter from 3? No. If there were, LaMelo Ball would absolutely be the no.1 overall pick and everyone else would be a distant 2nd.

WargamesX · Post #469 » by **WargamesX** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:28 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
WargamesX wrote:https://thepaintedlines.com/potential-sixers-draft-target-patrick-williams/

I like this kid Patrick Williams at #27. I know he’s a tweener, but Florida State was a really good team this year and they have a habit of having good players underperform in their system. If he could develop him into a SF he would be scary

He goes before 27 nearly all of the mocks though I wouldnt hold my breath Ballmaro beast always there at 27

Yah. Let's see though. The Spurs always grab the one guy that falls...maybe that can be us this year.

Even if he isn't there at 27. I think we can move up to his range. He's probably not getting drafted until after Vassell and Saddiq. So he should be around at least until 20

WargamesX · Post #470 » by **WargamesX** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:32 pm

moocow007 wrote:
WargamesX wrote:Its not that serious that is the mindset that led to taking Jordan Hill in 2009. Kira Lewis, Devon Vasseell, Theo Maledon, and Nico Mannion are still on the board. We all have our favorites but there is depth at guard to be drafted. The tiers go down based on draft stock but draft stock doesn't mean squat once you start playing in the league.

Not arguing that and there absolutely are a lot of depth in this draft, but the point is that the Knicks need more than just depth. They already have depth. The 3 "point guards" on the roster are 'depth' guys. They can sign more depth in free agency with all that cap space they have. They need a lead guy...and not just any old lead guy, an absolute top tier lead guy. If the Knicks already had their lead guy and was just a playoff team looking for depth, then absolutely, I'd be real excited about lots of the guys you mentioned.

That feels like a lot of pressure to put on a weak draft...... Everything even if we can't get Ball I prefer they take a player who can contribute and fits next to RJ & Mitch. I am ok with taking a flyer at #27 or #38 (I even endorse it) but not on #6. Let's make sure we get a high level contributor. Like lets learn from KP. Lets get talent around our pieces so they don't feel like they have to leave to get talent.

Fury · Post #471 » by **Fury** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:51 pm

WargamesX wrote:Its not that serious that is the mindset that led to taking Jordan Hill in 2009. Kira Lewis, Devon Vasseell, Theo Maledon, and Nico Mannion are still on the board. We all have our favorites but there is depth at guard to be drafted. The tiers go down based on draft stock but draft stock doesn't mean squat once you start playing in the league.

Nah man, the there's depth mindset led us to Jordan Hill. We should've traded up for Stephen Curry.

WargamesX · Post #472 » by **WargamesX** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:57 pm

Fury wrote:
WargamesX wrote:Its not that serious that is the mindset that led to taking Jordan Hill in 2009. Kira Lewis, Devon Vasseell, Theo Maledon, and Nico Mannion are still on the board. We all have our favorites but there is depth at guard to be drafted. The tiers go down based on draft stock but draft stock doesn't mean squat once you start playing in the league.

Nah man, the there's depth mindset led us to Jordan Hill. We should've traded up for Stephen Curry.

Two things, Curry was the seventh pick, What if the warriors try to unload pick #1 with Wiggins?

Also Tyrese and Killian aren’t depth compared to Frank and DSJ those two would be drafted to be the starters.

3toheadmelo · Post #473 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:59 pm

Just cause this draft has a lot of guards it doesn’t mean all of them will turn out good. Jonny Flynn was taken before Curry and was a bust

3toheadmelo · Post #474 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon May 11, 2020 3:01 pm

Blake went #1 in a point guard driven draft and I would say he lived up to expectations. So best prospect available still matters.

The Knicks were clearly banking on Steph to fall to them and did not have a back up plan and panicked with the Jordan Hill pick

WargamesX · Post #475 » by **WargamesX** » Mon May 11, 2020 3:03 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Just cause this draft has a lot of guards it doesn’t mean all of them will turn out good. Jonny Flynn was taken before Curry and was a bust

That’s why you don’t hear me talking about Cole Anthony...... 8-)

Post #476 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon May 11, 2020 3:17 pm

Every draft is different. What happened in XX draft doesn't mean anything for this draft.

Look for the best player available and don't over think it

robillionaire · Post #477 » by **robillionaire** » Mon May 11, 2020 3:18 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Every draft is different. What happened in XX draft doesn't mean anything for this draft.

Look for the best player available and don't over think it

nobody knows who that is, for the most part

robillionaire · Post #478 » by **robillionaire** » Mon May 11, 2020 3:23 pm

that whole "take the best player available" thing always annoyed me. It's a subjective metric. Best player available... according to whom? Pretty much nobody here agrees on who that would be and I doubt many teams have a consensus either. If it's to say don't take a player you believe is worse than another one just because the fit is better I agree with that

Post #479 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon May 11, 2020 3:25 pm

robillionaire wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Every draft is different. What happened in XX draft doesn't mean anything for this draft.

Look for the best player available and don't over think it

nobody knows who that is, for the most part

Yea, that is the tough part. Teams thought Flynn/Jordan Hill were the bpa. Its just easy to screw up the draft. Always a high percentage of busts and so much unknowns. Even in the 6-10 range, think it might be around 50% bust rate or something like that.

Its really hard to find a star in that range. Not impossible, just unlikely. And in this draft doesnt look like a lot of stars overall....of course you never know as always sleepers.

If we can find a solid starter though think that would be good...just realistically speaking, that might be what we are looking at.

3toheadmelo · Post #480 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon May 11, 2020 3:29 pm

robillionaire wrote:that whole "take the best player available" thing always annoyed me. It's a subjective metric. Best player available... according to whom? Pretty much nobody here agrees on who that would be and I doubt many teams have a consensus either. If it's to say don't take a player you believe is worse than another one just because the fit is better I agree with that