2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[starbosa10]

Kelly Oubre seems to be hot on the minds of people posting on the trade boards. I think people are realizing how good he was this year, seemed a breakout year for him. Would like to find a way to keep him.

....or we sell high on him. Don't get me wrong I like the attitude he brings and we keep getting rid of Booker's friends can't be helping his love for us but this about winning and Oubre is easily our best trade chip. But like I said earlier we only pull the trigger if we get a good deal Detroit, NYK, ORL and CHI all seem like good options w/ pieces we can use.

I really can't see Book being happy about trading Oubre for Gordon or something like that Bobby Portis/Mavs pick package

[Slim Charless]

Kelly Oubre seems to be hot on the minds of people posting on the trade boards. I think people are realizing how good he was this year, seemed a breakout year for him. Would like to find a way to keep him.

....or we sell high on him. Don't get me wrong I like the attitude he brings and we keep getting rid of Booker's friends can't be helping his love for us but this about winning and Oubre is easily our best trade chip. But like I said earlier we only pull the trigger if we get a good deal Detroit, NYK, ORL and CHI all seem like good options w/ pieces we can use.

I really can't see Book being happy about trading Oubre for Gordon or something like that Bobby Portis/Mavs pick package

Ya the Portis deal seemed alot like a salary dump I wouldn't do that one but other deals with the Knicks are possible. I think that Book and Gordon would get along well so he should be fine. They can go hang in Scottsdale or something, not that we need to ask him but it doesnt hurt if he likes it.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Kelly Oubre seems to be hot on the minds of people posting on the trade boards. I think people are realizing how good he was this year, seemed a breakout year for him. Would like to find a way to keep him.

....or we sell high on him. Don't get me wrong I like the attitude he brings and we keep getting rid of Booker's friends can't be helping his love for us but this about winning and Oubre is easily our best trade chip. But like I said earlier we only pull the trigger if we get a good deal Detroit, NYK, ORL and CHI all seem like good options w/ pieces we can use.

I really can't see Book being happy about trading Oubre for Gordon or something like that Bobby Portis/Mavs pick package

Do you think he could learn to be happy with the possibility of it leading to turning Portis' 15 million expiring contract+ a bit of our cap space that we already have combined into one of Milsapp, Ibaka, Favors, etc.( which you have to weigh which players would give us a better chance at a balanced roster, And also improve our chances of making the playoffs?? AND also in getting the Dallas pick, quite possibly being able to land one of Cade Cunningham/ Jalen Greeen/ Zhaire Smith/ Evan Mobley/ Jalen Johnson/ Jonathon Kuminga/ Terrence Clarke/ **Ibou Dianko Badji/ Scotty Barnes/Greg Brown/ Jalen Suggs/ Scotty Lewis/ Terrence Shannon Jr ( An Oubre clone)/ Josh Christopher/ BJ Boston/ Isiah Todd/ Oscar Twiebwe/ Isiah Jackson/ Usman Garuba????

http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2021-nba-mock-draft.html ** Check out the prospects!


And again, We could push for it to be New Yorks' top 2-3 protected, IF they'd do it! But I'd have to ultimately be happy with that extra 15 million towards a starting level veteran 4, AND a potential unprotected first in a super deep elite draft for a productive starting level player who was recently injured, and has an expiring contract.

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[bwgood77]

I'd for my part, put his cap at 18 million. And that's being generous without seeing him first improve upon his efficiency, iso scoring, and playmaking skills.

So his COVID-19 adjusted salary will be around $11M per year since the NBA expects a 40% drop in Basketball Related Income (BRI).

That'd actually be pretty awesome, IF that were to feasibly happen!

Yeah, but it's all relative. $11 million of a 40% cap drop is over $18 million under current cap. We obviously would have a lot less cap space with the drop, but still have all our current contracts (I don't think they would reduce except probably Booker's which I think is a straight % of cap).

[bwgood77]

I'd for my part, put his cap at 18 million. And that's being generous without seeing him first improve upon his efficiency, iso scoring, and playmaking skills.

You know I've been thinking who can use someone like Kelly and has no chance at grabbing any FAs next year and Detroit kept coming up. They're not signing anyone no matter what $$$ they have available. If they land at let's say 3 (outside of Melo/Edwards) I wonder if they'd be down for a trade of KO+10 for Kennard+3? They move down a bit but can still grab a young guy while getting someone like KO who could be a focal point for them and who might resign there since they could offer him more. For us, we get someone we were rumored to be after anyway while moving up enough to get Toppin/Okgongwu or one of the PGs if we still want to get that way...

That's a pretty intriguing idea man! Even though i'm still a bit concerned with Kennards' injury history, I'd probably do it, And then definitely draft Toppin (1st), Okungwu (2nd) Avdija (3rd) or Hayes( 4th). And then look to trade back using Diallo/ Okobo or Jerome/ future conditional 2nd with either Denver at 21, Or Utah at 24.

If at 21- Draft Tyler Bey ( Oubre replacement). Would also cover well defensively next to Toppin, If we took him! (*** Amare/ Marion 2.0).

Or If at 24- Patrick Williams or Jaden Mcdaniels or Aaron Nesmith ( for offense) If we take Okungwu!

Or If we took Avdija, Then at 21, We draft Jalen Smith or Paul Reed.
If atv 24, We draft Patrick Williams or Precious Achiuwa.

Lastly, I still do also like New York, Atlanta and maybe even Charlotte as potential suitors/ trade partners for Oubre.

New York:
We could trade Oubre for Bobby Portis' expiring contract and the 27th pick ( Jaden Mcdaniels or Patrick Williams or Precious Achiuwa). And the Dallas unprotected 2021 first. *** At 10 we take Kira Lewis or Cole Anthony.

Atlanta:
Would you trade Oubre for Dedmons' 13 million contract (*** Only 1 million guaranteed) And John Collins ( They don't really want to pay him the money he wants anyways)?? Or just take the more cost effective option in trading for their pick ( outside of the top 3) And draft Toppin or Okungwu?

Charlotte:
Would you do Oubre for PJ Washington/ Charlottes' 2021 top 5 lottery protected first (unprotected in 2022)???
Or Oubre for PJ Washington/ Charlottes' 2020 # 8 pick?? ( We'd then take Toppin or Okungwu or Avdija at 8 ( whoever falls). And then whichever of Hayes, Haliburton, Lewis or Cole is there at 10.

The Charlotte one, yes, but they wouldn't.

[bwgood77]

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1949958

A discussion on the CBA and how the salary cap reduction as a result of the Coronavirus might impact certain teams. As well as links and figures to how much lost revenue there might be, And what the salary cap and luxury tax lines might look like.

One theory has the suns at 29.4 million under the luxury tax threshold, IF the salary cap is reduced to around 100 million, And the luxury tax line is around 119.6 million, And with max contracts being scaled at 25 million/30 million/ 35 million.
Also a theoretical cap reduction of around 8 million or so??

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NYGLead AssistantPost#21 » Sat May 2, 2020 2:49 pm

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Using rough estimates off of a $100 Million salary cap, I would project the following with current draft order before free agent signings:

$100 Million
$121.2 Luxury Tax
$127.2 Tax Apron
$8.4 Million Non-Tax MLE

Atlanta - $34.4 Million in Cap Space
Boston - $20.9 Million above Luxury Tax
Brooklyn - $22.6 Million above Luxury Tax
Charlotte - $13.6 Million in Cap Space
Chicago - $10.3 Million below Luxury Tax
Cleveland - $3.8 Million below Luxury Tax
Dallas - $11.8 Million below Luxury Tax
Denver - $16.8 Million below Luxury Tax
Detroit - $21.1 Million in Cap Space
Golden State - $33.5 Million above Luxury Tax
Houston - $10 Million above Luxury Tax
Indiana - $4.2 Million above Luxury Tax
L.A. Clippers - $5.3 Million below Luxury Tax
L.A. Lakers - $27.8 Million below Luxury Tax
Memphis - $8.8 Million below Luxury Tax
Miami - $12.5 Million in Cap Space
Milwaukee - $10 Million above Luxury Tax
Minnesota - $14.9 Million below Luxury Tax
New Orleans - $32.9 Million below Luxury Tax
New York - $30.6 Million in Cap Space
Oklahoma City - $15.2 Million below Luxury Tax
Orlando - $4.1 Million above Luxury Tax
Philadelphia - $27.4 Million above Luxury Tax
Phoenix- $29.4 million below the luxury tax.
Portland - $6.2 Million below Luxury Tax
Sacramento - $17.3 Million below Luxury Tax
San Antonio - $1.4 Million above Luxury Tax
Toronto - $31.2 Million below Luxury Tax
Utah - $2.4 Million below Luxury Tax
Washington - $14.2 Million below Luxury Tax

Under that scneario, we basically have less cap space than the MLE.

[bwgood77]

Kelly Oubre seems to be hot on the minds of people posting on the trade boards. I think people are realizing how good he was this year, seemed a breakout year for him. Would like to find a way to keep him.

....or we sell high on him. Don't get me wrong I like the attitude he brings and we keep getting rid of Booker's friends can't be helping his love for us but this about winning and Oubre is easily our best trade chip. But like I said earlier we only pull the trigger if we get a good deal Detroit, NYK, ORL and CHI all seem like good options w/ pieces we can use.

I really can't see Book being happy about trading Oubre for Gordon or something like that Bobby Portis/Mavs pick package

I think he probably values winning over making sure we keep his buddies. Not necessarily saying Gordon would help us win better, but he's better at most things...far better at moving ball, defense, finishing.

[Frank Lee]

Why would any team rebuilding trade for Oubre when he is a likely walker the next yr. he’s a rental. We can’t extend him, nor can they. He’s up for bids. Teams would have to be sold on him fitting in long term, and expect a near max deal for them to give up any significant value. I think he’s a wait and see player, and his ticket punch will be determined by this upcoming season oitput.

Furthermore, the contending teams who might need him are who ??? most teams do not need tweener wings...and as it seems like always, there are a few in this draft.

The Oob is worth more to us than anybody.

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[King4Day]

I think the only way we deal Oubre is if we make out like bandits in the deal.
I believe Monty wants consistency and if it means risking losing him for nothing, then so be it. If he turns into a near max player, then it means we're winning more and we can pay him.

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This is painful to listen to.

Of course McDumbass convinced Josh Jackson to sabotage the Celtics workout so that Boston would take Tatum instead.

[sunskerr]

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This is painful to listen to.

Of course McDumbass convinced Josh Jackson to sabotage the Celtics workout so that Boston would take Tatum instead.

I haven't posted in weeks but

Doncic
Booker
Tatum

This is what real fan misery looks like. Holy ****. Kill me now fam.

[m1chal]

Doncic
Booker
Tatum

This is what real fan misery looks like. Holy ****. Kill me now fam.

Yep, it is absolutely brutal...

[Jdiddy701]

Earl Watson tweets it’s Sarver’s fault that it didn’t happen. Great!


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[WeekapaugGroove]

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This is painful to listen to.

Of course McDumbass convinced Josh Jackson to sabotage the Celtics workout so that Boston would take Tatum instead.

Honestly I think Boston was going to take Tatum over Jackson either way. Hell I think Boston would have taken Tatum at 1 that year if the sixers trade hadn't fallen in their lap.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Earl Watson tweets it’s Sarver’s fault that it didn’t happen. Great!


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I'd love to know how they were going to make it happen. I hate sarver but Watson isn't exactly an impartial witness here.

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[Revived]

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This is painful to listen to.

Of course McDumbass convinced Josh Jackson to sabotage the Celtics workout so that Boston would take Tatum instead.

Honestly I think Boston was going to take Tatum over Jackson either way. Hell I think Boston would have taken Tatum at 1 that year if the sixers trade hadn't fallen in their lap.

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No Ainge has been on record saying that they were planning on taking Jackson but McD and Jackson’s dirtbag agent colluding to waste Ainge’s time made them choose Tatum.

[Revived]

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This is painful to listen to.

Of course McDumbass convinced Josh Jackson to sabotage the Celtics workout so that Boston would take Tatum instead.

I haven't posted in weeks but

Doncic
Booker
Tatum

This is what real fan misery looks like. Holy ****. Kill me now fam.

No, I don’t think there’s any way the Suns would be bad enough with Booker and Tatum to pick in the top 5 or even top 10 of the Ayton/Doncic draft.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Earl Watson tweets it’s Sarver’s fault that it didn’t happen. Great!


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It really wouldn't surprise me in the least, IF that was actually the case, Knowing what an incessant control freak Sarver actually was during McDs' tenure. I'd have to wonder how many of those botched picks were actually a genuine result of McD himself or the last word/ command given by Sarver, Having the overall FINAL SAY in any personnel decision, etc.