ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion

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Re: ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion 

Post#781 » by dockingsched » Mon May 11, 2020 11:55 pm

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Run DLC wrote:It’s clear that MJ has some deep insecurity issues, but at the same time, I respect the way he pushed his teammates to the limit on the court and had high expectations from them.


Insecurity? That's about the last thing I'd accuse MJ of.

He's definitely an A-hole sometimes.

He's possibly a psychopath (seems pretty clearly borderline).

But insecure? No... you want to see insecure look at Shaq, KD. LeBron and Pippen are guys that are insecure to a lesser degree. MJ? Hell no, he's like Kobe with the IDGAF what you think because your are wrong attitude.


Someone who routinely takes “offense” at any perceived slights or jabs at your greatness, can most definitely be thought of as possibly insecure. People sure of themselves don’t get offended so easily at anyone “targeting” their greatness
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Run DLC wrote:It’s clear that MJ has some deep insecurity issues, but at the same time, I respect the way he pushed his teammates to the limit on the court and had high expectations from them.


Insecurity? That's about the last thing I'd accuse MJ of.

He's definitely an A-hole sometimes.

He's possibly a psychopath (seems pretty clearly borderline).

But insecure? No... you want to see insecure look at Shaq, KD. LeBron and Pippen are guys that are insecure to a lesser degree. MJ? Hell no, he's like Kobe with the IDGAF what you think because your are wrong attitude.


Someone who routinely takes “offense” at any perceived slights or jabs at your greatness, can most definitely be thought of as possibly insecure. People sure of themselves don’t get offended so easily at anyone “targeting” their greatness


Do you guys know what it means to be insecure? It means you lack confidence in your own abilities.

Here is the actual dictionary defintion:

(of a person) not confident or assured; uncertain and anxious.


Does that sound anything like MJ to you? He clearly had no doubts about his own abilities and never lacked for confidence. Uncertain? LMAO

Now, if you want to talk about whether he's a borderline (maybe over the borderline) psychopath/sociopath then that's a different topic and there's real evidence there.

Look at how Shaq behaves when people say anything negative about his abilities - he doesn't laugh it off like MJ (who right or wrong, clearly believes any doubts about his own abilities are absurd).
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Re: ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion 

Post#783 » by LKN » Tue May 12, 2020 12:54 am

Rewatched episode 5 while working out. Kobe has some of the most insightful comments in this entire documentary. At some point all the d**k measuring and comparisons don't matter... because without MJ there's no Kobe. Without Magic there's no LeBron.. .without Dr. J there's no MJ..... etc. etc. etc....
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Re: ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion 

Post#784 » by ssang » Tue May 12, 2020 1:07 am

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he dictates what the media are supposed to say about him and gets pissed off about the slightest thing or creates reasons to be offended and its because he cares what people think

like if I lose in a game of street fighter and I cant let it go and go crazy until I have revenge in a rematch, then it could be described that im insecure and need constant confirmation that im incredible


No - that would mean you are a competitive psychopath. Being insecure would be being obsessed with what other people thought of your street fighter skills.

OT: Street fighter is awesome :-). I got my first job in high school to buy an SNES so I could play Street Fighter 2


Jordan is confident in his basketball skills but he was trying to present that he was god, jesus and the holy spirit of basketball all wrapped up into one, that's where the insecurity is and yes he was obsessed with what other people thought, someone writing a bad article or a friend saying something bad would be punished and that could only be that he cared too much what other people thought

if someone scored 30pts on him, then he gets pissed off because people saw that guy score 30pts and they will start having a theory that Jordan might not be god, so he had to kill him off next time

theres nothing wrong with being insecure though, its natural, for example the rodzilla is insecure about his penis size

I must say Rodzilla, I find you very impressive. I do not believe there is another individual residing on this planet who knows any less of what they're talking about in regards to any one specific subject, than the amount you do as it pertains to this particular subject. And remember, we live in a world that includes Donald Trump. So no small feat we're talking about here.
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Re: ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion 

Post#785 » by ssang » Tue May 12, 2020 1:50 am

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The Rodzilla wrote:episode 8 was the funniest part of the documentary, all they showed of game 6 against seattle was Jordon scoring a few baskets, seattle looking defeated and mixed it in with some music and quotes about his emotional state and his family

lol the reason they had to do that was because this documentary is determined to show MJ was the reason for the win and gary payton didn't shut him down, but he only shot 5-19, so they had to be creative and edit it like that because they didn't want to start showing free throws as highlights

they should have shown dennis rodman working his ass off recovering all the Jordan bricks and credited him with saving the series, but the Jordon industrial complex would never allow that


I wonder: Is it your personal insecurities you are projecting, or are you simply reflecting LeBron's insecurities?

Pay attention to how insecurity is very closely coupled with narcissism: https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/insecurity


im watching this Jordon documentary in my underwear, laughing my ass off and eating oreo's, so im very comfortable

don't worry about the Rodzilla, you should be worried about the insecurities of Jordon, making this documentary as soon as LeBron won the title for Cleveland is a clear sign that he is not happy and needs more attention

You are the Michael Jordan of moronicism. I would call you the LeBron James of moronicism...but then that would mean there's someone better than you at being a moron; perhaps even a handful of 'em. And we all know that just isn't the case. Congratulations GOAT! 
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Re: ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion 

Post#786 » by California Gold » Tue May 12, 2020 1:51 am

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carrrnuttt wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:episode 8 was the funniest part of the documentary, all they showed of game 6 against seattle was Jordon scoring a few baskets, seattle looking defeated and mixed it in with some music and quotes about his emotional state and his family

lol the reason they had to do that was because this documentary is determined to show MJ was the reason for the win and gary payton didn't shut him down, but he only shot 5-19, so they had to be creative and edit it like that because they didn't want to start showing free throws as highlights

they should have shown dennis rodman working his ass off recovering all the Jordan bricks and credited him with saving the series, but the Jordon industrial complex would never allow that


I wonder: Is it your personal insecurities you are projecting, or are you simply reflecting LeBron's insecurities?

Pay attention to how insecurity is very closely coupled with narcissism: https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/insecurity


im watching this Jordon documentary in my underwear, laughing my ass off and eating oreo's, so im very comfortable

don't worry about the Rodzilla, you should be worried about the insecurities of Jordon, making this documentary as soon as LeBron won the title for Cleveland is a clear sign that he is not happy and needs more attention


The inferiority complex is real. Yikes.

Stay off of twitter kiddo. Or let me guess, you'll say he paid ESPN to come out with this article, am I right?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29044827/an-all-access-michael-jordan-documentary-how-last-dance-was-made-possible
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Re: ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion 

Post#787 » by The Rodzilla » Tue May 12, 2020 1:52 am

ssang wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:
LKN wrote:
No - that would mean you are a competitive psychopath. Being insecure would be being obsessed with what other people thought of your street fighter skills.

OT: Street fighter is awesome :-). I got my first job in high school to buy an SNES so I could play Street Fighter 2


Jordan is confident in his basketball skills but he was trying to present that he was god, jesus and the holy spirit of basketball all wrapped up into one, that's where the insecurity is and yes he was obsessed with what other people thought, someone writing a bad article or a friend saying something bad would be punished and that could only be that he cared too much what other people thought

if someone scored 30pts on him, then he gets pissed off because people saw that guy score 30pts and they will start having a theory that Jordan might not be god, so he had to kill him off next time

theres nothing wrong with being insecure though, its natural, for example the rodzilla is insecure about his penis size

I must say Rodzilla, I find you very impressive. I do not believe there is another individual residing on this planet who knows any less of what they're talking about in regards to any one specific subject, than the amount you do as it pertains to this particular subject. And remember, we live in a world that includes Donald Trump. So no small feat we're talking about here.


well please inform me about what i need to know in this situation

does Jordan not carefully control his image?, doesnt he come down hard on anyone who is remotely negative? doesn't he have an army of ESPN talking heads going to war for him 24/7?, doesnt he refuse to speak to Charles barkley? does he laugh off any suggestion that someone once made it difficult for him?

i know enough about this topic to form an opinion on the man, you just are jealous that you cant beat me in this argument so you try to shoot the messenger
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Re: ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion 

Post#788 » by The Rodzilla » Tue May 12, 2020 2:01 am

Lucky Clover wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:
carrrnuttt wrote:
I wonder: Is it your personal insecurities you are projecting, or are you simply reflecting LeBron's insecurities?

Pay attention to how insecurity is very closely coupled with narcissism: https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/insecurity


im watching this Jordon documentary in my underwear, laughing my ass off and eating oreo's, so im very comfortable

don't worry about the Rodzilla, you should be worried about the insecurities of Jordon, making this documentary as soon as LeBron won the title for Cleveland is a clear sign that he is not happy and needs more attention


The inferiority complex is real. Yikes.

Stay off of twitter kiddo. Or let me guess, you'll say he paid ESPN to come out with this article, am I right?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29044827/an-all-access-michael-jordan-documentary-how-last-dance-was-made-possible


this article confirms that Jordan sat on this until June 2016 when LeBron won in Cleveland
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Post#789 » by California Gold » Tue May 12, 2020 2:03 am

The Rodzilla wrote:
Lucky Clover wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:
im watching this Jordon documentary in my underwear, laughing my ass off and eating oreo's, so im very comfortable

don't worry about the Rodzilla, you should be worried about the insecurities of Jordon, making this documentary as soon as LeBron won the title for Cleveland is a clear sign that he is not happy and needs more attention


The inferiority complex is real. Yikes.

Stay off of twitter kiddo. Or let me guess, you'll say he paid ESPN to come out with this article, am I right?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29044827/an-all-access-michael-jordan-documentary-how-last-dance-was-made-possible


this article confirms that Jordan sat on this until June 2016 when LeBron won in Cleveland


Yup as expected, typical stan that will flip things to be however he wants them which is actually far from what reality is as explained on the article.

Thanks for confirming kiddo! :D
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Re: ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion 

Post#790 » by The Rodzilla » Tue May 12, 2020 2:38 am

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The Rodzilla wrote:
Lucky Clover wrote:
The inferiority complex is real. Yikes.

Stay off of twitter kiddo. Or let me guess, you'll say he paid ESPN to come out with this article, am I right?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29044827/an-all-access-michael-jordan-documentary-how-last-dance-was-made-possible


this article confirms that Jordan sat on this until June 2016 when LeBron won in Cleveland


Yup as expected, typical stan that will flip things to be however he wants them which is actually far from what reality is as explained on the article.

Thanks for confirming kiddo! :D


can you explain to me what the official ESPN/MJ version of events is? because im having trouble understanding what your point is

they had the footage in 1998 and they decided to make the documentary in June 2016, that's about 6500 days of waiting to do it

i think its quite easy to see what happened, LeBron won the title and he looked so good wearing the trophy and the ultimate warrior shirt at the parade that Jordan panicked and greenlit the documentary

btw i thank you for linking that article, not only does it confirm what i said but it also proves that this is a carefully crafted Jordan propaganda series because they had to go through hoops for him to agree to do it
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Post#791 » by The Rodzilla » Tue May 12, 2020 2:44 am

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this was the day MJ panicked and decided to make the documentary
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Post#792 » by LKN » Tue May 12, 2020 2:45 am

The Rodzilla wrote:
Lucky Clover wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:
this article confirms that Jordan sat on this until June 2016 when LeBron won in Cleveland


Yup as expected, typical stan that will flip things to be however he wants them which is actually far from what reality is as explained on the article.

Thanks for confirming kiddo! :D


can you explain to me what the official ESPN/MJ version of events is? because im having trouble understanding what your point is

they had the footage in 1998 and they decided to make the documentary in June 2016, that's about 6500 days of waiting to do it

i think its quite easy to see what happened, LeBron won the title and he looked so good wearing the trophy and the ultimate warrior shirt at the parade that Jordan panicked and greenlit the documentary

btw i thank you for linking that article, not only does it confirm what i said but it also proves that this is a carefully crafted Jordan propaganda series because they had to go through hoops for him to agree to do it


It's kind of hilarious how you guys project your own insecurity onto MJ.

Fact is this is just dumb media speculation. Why didn't MJ do it after Kobe won in 2010? Kobe potentially 3-peating twice would have been far more threatening to MJ than anything LBJ has done.
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Post#793 » by The Rodzilla » Tue May 12, 2020 2:47 am

LKN wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:
Lucky Clover wrote:
Yup as expected, typical stan that will flip things to be however he wants them which is actually far from what reality is as explained on the article.

Thanks for confirming kiddo! :D


can you explain to me what the official ESPN/MJ version of events is? because im having trouble understanding what your point is

they had the footage in 1998 and they decided to make the documentary in June 2016, that's about 6500 days of waiting to do it

i think its quite easy to see what happened, LeBron won the title and he looked so good wearing the trophy and the ultimate warrior shirt at the parade that Jordan panicked and greenlit the documentary

btw i thank you for linking that article, not only does it confirm what i said but it also proves that this is a carefully crafted Jordan propaganda series because they had to go through hoops for him to agree to do it


It's kind of hilarious how you guys project your own insecurity onto MJ.

Fact is this is just dumb media speculation. Why didn't MJ do it after Kobe won in 2010? Kobe potentially 3-peating twice would have been far more threatening to MJ than anything LBJ has done.


because LeBron is better than Jordan and kobe wasn't
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Post#794 » by JordansBulls » Tue May 12, 2020 2:52 am

The Rodzilla wrote:
LKN wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:
can you explain to me what the official ESPN/MJ version of events is? because im having trouble understanding what your point is

they had the footage in 1998 and they decided to make the documentary in June 2016, that's about 6500 days of waiting to do it

i think its quite easy to see what happened, LeBron won the title and he looked so good wearing the trophy and the ultimate warrior shirt at the parade that Jordan panicked and greenlit the documentary

btw i thank you for linking that article, not only does it confirm what i said but it also proves that this is a carefully crafted Jordan propaganda series because they had to go through hoops for him to agree to do it


It's kind of hilarious how you guys project your own insecurity onto MJ.

Fact is this is just dumb media speculation. Why didn't MJ do it after Kobe won in 2010? Kobe potentially 3-peating twice would have been far more threatening to MJ than anything LBJ has done.


because LeBron is better than Jordan and kobe wasn't


Not when you down every season of your career at least 3-2 in a series including 5 years in a row with HCA and you losing series with HCA to a guy like Dwight Howard a guy who has been dubbed as a career loser.
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Post#795 » by California Gold » Tue May 12, 2020 2:54 am

The Rodzilla wrote:
Lucky Clover wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:
this article confirms that Jordan sat on this until June 2016 when LeBron won in Cleveland


Yup as expected, typical stan that will flip things to be however he wants them which is actually far from what reality is as explained on the article.

Thanks for confirming kiddo! :D


can you explain to me what the official ESPN/MJ version of events is? because im having trouble understanding what your point is

they had the footage in 1998 and they decided to make the documentary in June 2016, that's about 6500 days of waiting to do it

i think its quite easy to see what happened, LeBron won the title and he looked so good wearing the trophy and the ultimate warrior shirt at the parade that Jordan panicked and greenlit the documentary

btw i thank you for linking that article, not only does it confirm what i said but it also proves that this is a carefully crafted Jordan propaganda series because they had to go through hoops for him to agree to do it


or.. he didn't want to make it and it took someone coming along to convince him that they'd take several years to put this together. All of which that timeline was all done by the producer Mike Tollin. But in your head this story plays out like this -- Jordan must've been so insecure to watch how the Cavs were doing all year and then to stretch it out to June where he didn't even know whether or not the Cavs would be in the finals let alone to magically win it because of a chokejob but that's why he chose to do it. Hah. It even sounds funny typing it up.

Here's what actually happened though if you bothered to read and not spin it to whatever folklore viewpoint you wanted it to be.

In February 2016, he saw an opening.

"The O.J. [Simpson] documentary had just premiered at Sundance the previous month at eight episodes and like 450 minutes," Tollin said. "['Making a Murderer'] had just premiered on Netflix at 10 episodes. ... People were now consuming longform documentaries, multipart documentaries.

"As a guy who's done documentaries since the '70s, less was always more. And now all of a sudden, more is more."

He arranged a meeting with Polk and Estee Portnoy, two of Jordan's most trusted business associates, to make his pitch.

"So I said to them, 'We could do this as six or eight episodes. So we can see the character arcs play out over the course of all this time. We can see the storylines, we can really dig in and tell the story that nobody's ever really contextualized properly,'" Tollin said.

Over the next few months, the conversations continued. Tollin sketched out a proposal of what an eight-episode series might look like. Finally, in June 2016, a meeting was set with Jordan, now owner of the Charlotte Hornets.


Also before that there were plenty of people that had heard about this documentary that never were fully serious about making. Hell Jordan didn't even want any of this footage and it took Adam Silver convincing him that he would have rights to it and the decision making as to when someone could actually come along and do something with it. It's pretty clear that from an objective point of view this has no correlation at all to LeBron James whatsoever. But keep trying buddy, let me know when you find at least one person on here that actually agrees with you. Luckily most of RealGM sees right through you.
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Post#796 » by LKN » Tue May 12, 2020 2:54 am

The Rodzilla wrote:
LKN wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:
can you explain to me what the official ESPN/MJ version of events is? because im having trouble understanding what your point is

they had the footage in 1998 and they decided to make the documentary in June 2016, that's about 6500 days of waiting to do it

i think its quite easy to see what happened, LeBron won the title and he looked so good wearing the trophy and the ultimate warrior shirt at the parade that Jordan panicked and greenlit the documentary

btw i thank you for linking that article, not only does it confirm what i said but it also proves that this is a carefully crafted Jordan propaganda series because they had to go through hoops for him to agree to do it


It's kind of hilarious how you guys project your own insecurity onto MJ.

Fact is this is just dumb media speculation. Why didn't MJ do it after Kobe won in 2010? Kobe potentially 3-peating twice would have been far more threatening to MJ than anything LBJ has done.


because LeBron is better than Jordan and kobe wasn't


I don't think MJ sees it that way though... which was my point.

Also, the people who think LeBron is better are a tiny (if loud sometimes) minority. They polled current players in the league - they picked MJ overwhelmingly. Players who have played against both guys pick MJ overwhelmingly. Scientific polls of the general population pick MJ overwhelmingly.

I mean unless you think MJ is just sitting around listening to Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe all day then I doubt he's that concerned about it.
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Post#797 » by The Rodzilla » Tue May 12, 2020 3:07 am

Lucky Clover wrote:Finally, in June 2016, a meeting was set with Jordan, now owner of the Charlotte Hornets.


oh yeah this is the part that i want to know about, finally in June 2016 a meeting was set with Jordan

he got nowhere for months until June 2016, that's why they used finally

this documentary is definitely about LeBron, that's why Skip Bayless and ESPN the key spokesmen of the Jordon industrial complex are using every opportunity to score some points over LeBron with daily topics

you should watch mike wilbon, Jalen rose etc and tell me they aren't taking advantage trying to win for Jordan, its like watching fox news
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Post#798 » by The Rodzilla » Tue May 12, 2020 3:13 am

LKN wrote:
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It's kind of hilarious how you guys project your own insecurity onto MJ.

Fact is this is just dumb media speculation. Why didn't MJ do it after Kobe won in 2010? Kobe potentially 3-peating twice would have been far more threatening to MJ than anything LBJ has done.


because LeBron is better than Jordan and kobe wasn't


I don't think MJ sees it that way though... which was my point.

Also, the people who think LeBron is better are a tiny (if loud sometimes) minority. They polled current players in the league - they picked MJ overwhelmingly. Players who have played against both guys pick MJ overwhelmingly. Scientific polls of the general population pick MJ overwhelmingly.

I mean unless you think MJ is just sitting around listening to Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe all day then I doubt he's that concerned about it.


they picked MJ as the best college basketball player of all time also which proves this is just a popularity contest

its like how people say that pele is the greatest football player of all time despite not seeing any footage of him and him being a phony, the narrative has been set and enforced so many times that most people just want to conform

Michael Jordan is very concerned about it, he made a 10 part documentary series, if he was not that concerned then he would have made it 1 or 2 episodes
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Post#799 » by LKN » Tue May 12, 2020 3:19 am

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because LeBron is better than Jordan and kobe wasn't


I don't think MJ sees it that way though... which was my point.

Also, the people who think LeBron is better are a tiny (if loud sometimes) minority. They polled current players in the league - they picked MJ overwhelmingly. Players who have played against both guys pick MJ overwhelmingly. Scientific polls of the general population pick MJ overwhelmingly.

I mean unless you think MJ is just sitting around listening to Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe all day then I doubt he's that concerned about it.


they picked MJ as the best college basketball player of all time also which proves this is just a popularity contest

its like how people say that pele is the greatest football player of all time despite not seeing any footage of him and him being a phony, the narrative has been set and enforced so many times that most people just want to conform

Michael Jordan is very concerned about it, he made a 10 part documentary series, if he was not that concerned then he would have made it 1 or 2 episodes


I thought that was one of those dumb unscientific online polls? Regardless that was stupid. KAJ is clearly the NCAA GOAT by a huge margin.
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Post#800 » by Tracymcgoaty » Tue May 12, 2020 3:29 am

Those last 2-3 min of episode 7 was the best part of this whole documentary and to me the only interesting one.
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