ATL - Season Resumes page 87

[truly]

Even if they quarantine for 2 months, who cares? The players won't care. As teams are eliminated they leave. I don't think Giannis, or any other Buck, will gripe about being isolated while they finish the season. Then they can figure things out for a December or January through August season (which I would love to be a permanent change).

You can't tell me with a straight face that many NBA players would be willing to be away from their families for two months to play basketball in a locked down basketball compound.

Without a doubt

I thought their families were supposed to quarantine with them if they wanted to?I remember reading about it.

[Iheartfootball]

Two months of playing basketball and hanging out with your friends after you've been locked up with your family for a similar amount of time? What do you think?

[Pachinko_]

If the season ends right now, we have a champion.

Yeah, a regular season champion. Hang a banner. Big deal.

**** yea, I want it

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Whelp, since WI is open for business, do the Bucks take the PR hit and move training camp to Osh Kosh. (I'm assuming they are open county?) Milwaukee, GB, and Madison will still probably be off the table for a little bit I assume?

[paulpressey25]

Whelp, since WI is open for business, do the Bucks take the PR hit and move training camp to Osh Kosh. (I'm assuming they are open county?) Milwaukee, GB, and Madison will still probably be off the table for a little bit I assume?

Good question. It seems like they've already got some sort of wink and nod deal to open their facility under the rationale that it is providing medical services to the players.

[Nowak008]

The Raptors title does not have an asterisk at all. They beat us, that's all the credit they need.

Right? You can litteraly pick some nits on nearly every title run.

Now I should note the ONE asterisk I will acknowledge is the Astros. Getting caught blatantly cheating is a legit reason to attach one.

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I don't know if it's a hot take, but the Astros' title shouldn't have an asterisk, it should be vacated.

But yeah agreed, every title requires a ton of breaks and we have a fascination with putting a lot more weight on the immediate kind (injuries) than the distal kind (drafting Giannis at 15 overall).

Astro's title should absolutely be vacated. Way more so than any NCAA title that has been vacated.

[Nowak008]

The Raptors title does not have an asterisk at all. They beat us, that's all the credit they need.

Right? You can litteraly pick some nits on nearly every title run.

Now I should note the ONE asterisk I will acknowledge is the Astros. Getting caught blatantly cheating is a legit reason to attach one.

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I think the nitpicking is legit. I am captain put asterisks on stuff. The Raptors beat a legit 60 win team and that Warriors team should have never existed. Plus I am convinced we would have throttled the Warriors. No asterisk.

The 2016 Warriors title is much more a likely candidate for an asterisk than the Raptors. Conley got hurt after being up 2-1 on the Warriors in the second round, OKC was hurt, beat a bad Rockets team, Kyrie + Love got hurt in the finals. The reason the Warriors went gang busters 24-0 the following season is that the criticism of their title was legit - and they knew it.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The Raptors title does not have an asterisk at all. They beat us, that's all the credit they need.

Right? You can litteraly pick some nits on nearly every title run.

Now I should note the ONE asterisk I will acknowledge is the Astros. Getting caught blatantly cheating is a legit reason to attach one.

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I think the nitpicking is legit. I am captain put asterisks on stuff. The Raptors beat a legit 60 win team and that Warriors team should have never existed. Plus I am convinced we would have throttled the Warriors. No asterisk.

The 2016 Warriors title is much more a likely candidate for an asterisk than the Raptors. Conley got hurt after being up 2-1 on the Warriors in the second round, OKC was hurt, beat a bad Rockets team, Kyrie + Love got hurt in the finals. The reason the Warriors went gang busters 24-0 the following season is that the criticism of their title was legit - and they knew it.

We'll have to agree to disagree

Here's a fun hot take asterisk take if you want to piss off a bulls fan... All their titles deserve an asterisk because of all the potential stars who died (Hank Gathers, Bias, Reggie Lewis, Benji Wilson, ect) or were taken out by drugs in that era, plus rampent expansion created a weak talent pool allowing Jordan to walk to 6 titles

I don't actually think that but I do think a documentary on all the potential careers that never happened or hit their potential in the late 80's and 90's would be a great watch. Was just an insane run of bad ****.

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[MickeyDavis]

Whelp, since WI is open for business, do the Bucks take the PR hit and move training camp to Osh Kosh. (I'm assuming they are open county?) Milwaukee, GB, and Madison will still probably be off the table for a little bit I assume?

Good question. It seems like they've already got some sort of wink and nod deal to open their facility under the rationale that it is providing medical services to the players.

They announced they are opening the practice facility 3 days ago for "voluntary treatment, performance training and rehabilitation". No, they can't have full bore practices yet but I see no way they move to another city when the league decides on the timetable for games. At that point they'll hold training camp as usual in MKE.

[Chuck Diesel]

The NBA finagling the requisite tests to the play unnecessary games while the rest of the country continues to suffocate to death by the thousands would be reprehensible.

Do you really think there will be a shortage of tests in August?

What other unnecessary things would be open in August? Retail shops are open now, I'll probably be working in an office at that point, bars will probably be open in some form, etc it would honestly be weird if the NBA couldn't pull together a non-fan tourney. Hell, there is probably more damage done at the Lowe's in Wauwatosa without masks requirement and tons of people going in and out. (And those aren't plumbers working on an emergency project)

If they wanted to open up now? Yeah, f-them. But if are below 1k new cases daily as a nation and we have an abundance of tests, why not?

Lot of “if’s” here. Why would we assume they’ll be adequate tests by August?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Even if they quarantine for 2 months, who cares? The players won't care. As teams are eliminated they leave. I don't think Giannis, or any other Buck, will gripe about being isolated while they finish the season. Then they can figure things out for a December or January through August season (which I would love to be a permanent change).

You can't tell me with a straight face that many NBA players would be willing to be away from their families for two months to play basketball in a locked down basketball compound.

Without a doubt

Yeah, you can't tell me with a straight face that players will be ok writing off the season when they are losing 6-figures every pay check. What's funny is 3 out of the top 10 guys will owe money and wouldn't even be playing in the playoff (Stephen Curry, John Wall, Blake Griffin). Blake is probably the biggest "This is best for the league" rah-rah guy when it comes to the playoffs
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29174761/lebron-james-steph-curry-face-pay-decrease-owe-money

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

The NBA finagling the requisite tests to the play unnecessary games while the rest of the country continues to suffocate to death by the thousands would be reprehensible.

Do you really think there will be a shortage of tests in August?

What other unnecessary things would be open in August? Retail shops are open now, I'll probably be working in an office at that point, bars will probably be open in some form, etc it would honestly be weird if the NBA couldn't pull together a non-fan tourney. Hell, there is probably more damage done at the Lowe's in Wauwatosa without masks requirement and tons of people going in and out. (And those aren't plumbers working on an emergency project)

If they wanted to open up now? Yeah, f-them. But if are below 1k new cases daily as a nation and we have an abundance of tests, why not?

Lot of “if’s” here. Why would we assume they’ll be adequate tests by August?

Why do you assume we won't?

2 months ago, we were able to test 15k a day. Now we are testing 350k. As testing improves, tests will be cheaper and easier. It isn't crazy to think we could have capabilities to test 750k a day in August. IMHO, it won't be a shortage of tests holding us back. It will be administering them which is a totally separate issue. The NBA having a system to test players in Orlando in August probably will have zero effect on testing in Milwaukee. In Milwaukee, it will come down to how to appropriately get testing to hotspot areas.

Hell, I would even argue NBA testing has a positive effect. It will bulk order and invest in noninvasive and accurate testing making it more common and available for other companies. They will also be ensuring be adding to the testing, though trivial it is better than less testing.

They don't need to finalize anything for another month or two. If we don't have enough testing and we are on an upward trajectory, cancel it. I don't see why you need to have a "it won't work" attitude for something 3 months away.

Yes, it is unnecessary but in the grand scheme of things the risk will be pretty low. This isn't planning Hodag country festival in July where you cram 30k drunks into a field for a weekend while overrunning local facilities. It would be a controlled professional atmosphere with tons of testing, isolation and contact tracing. Players are probably safer there than in most places.

[emunney]

The NBA finagling the requisite tests to the play unnecessary games while the rest of the country continues to suffocate to death by the thousands would be reprehensible.

Do you really think there will be a shortage of tests in August?

What other unnecessary things would be open in August? Retail shops are open now, I'll probably be working in an office at that point, bars will probably be open in some form, etc it would honestly be weird if the NBA couldn't pull together a non-fan tourney. Hell, there is probably more damage done at the Lowe's in Wauwatosa without masks requirement and tons of people going in and out. (And those aren't plumbers working on an emergency project)

If they wanted to open up now? Yeah, f-them. But if are below 1k new cases daily as a nation and we have an abundance of tests, why not?

Lot of “if’s” here. Why would we assume they’ll be adequate tests by August?

I'm not really assuming there will be, but I think there will be. We're going to be the only country still using a ton of them by then!

Seriously though, if there is still a testing shortage, it's a symptom of a bad situation, likely too bad to spin up the league anyway.

[FlagsFlyForever]

I don't know if players will buy into a bubble situation. Two months, if that's what finishing the season will take, is a long time to be isolated from society regardless of how luxurious the amenities are. Here is what some baseball players have said about a proposed bubble idea in their sport.

Mike Trout: "We want to get back as soon as we can, but obviously it’s got to be realistic. It can’t be sitting in our hotel rooms, just going from the field to the hotel room and not being able to do anything. I think that’s pretty crazy."

Clayton Kershaw: "I just don’t see that happening. I’m not going to be away from my family and not seem them for four and a half months. I just talked about how much Cooper changes over one week, so to miss four months of his life right now, I’m just not going to do it."

[MickeyDavis]

I don't know if players will buy into a bubble situation. Two months, if that's what finishing the season will take, is a long time to be isolated from society regardless of how luxurious the amenities are. Here is what some baseball players have said about a proposed bubble idea in their sport.

Mike Trout: "We want to get back as soon as we can, but obviously it’s got to be realistic. It can’t be sitting in our hotel rooms, just going from the field to the hotel room and not being able to do anything. I think that’s pretty crazy."

Clayton Kershaw: "I just don’t see that happening. I’m not going to be away from my family and not seem them for four and a half months. I just talked about how much Cooper changes over one week, so to miss four months of his life right now, I’m just not going to do it."

Big difference. Baseball hasn't started. Basketball wants to finish. They will almost immediately go right into the playoffs after a few games. And once teams are eliminated they can leave. More than half the teams don't make the playoffs.

Players are already locked down with "loved ones". Yes they all have nice digs. But they can bring whoever they are currently isolated with to Vegas or Orlando or wherever and stay in a luxurious suite for a couple of months. And for most players it would be far less time.

[tski1972]

I don't know if players will buy into a bubble situation. Two months, if that's what finishing the season will take, is a long time to be isolated from society regardless of how luxurious the amenities are. Here is what some baseball players have said about a proposed bubble idea in their sport.

Mike Trout: "We want to get back as soon as we can, but obviously it’s got to be realistic. It can’t be sitting in our hotel rooms, just going from the field to the hotel room and not being able to do anything. I think that’s pretty crazy."

Clayton Kershaw: "I just don’t see that happening. I’m not going to be away from my family and not seem them for four and a half months. I just talked about how much Cooper changes over one week, so to miss four months of his life right now, I’m just not going to do it."

Big difference. Baseball hasn't started. Basketball wants to finish. They will almost immediately go right into the playoffs after a few games. And once teams are eliminated they can leave. More than half the teams don't make the playoffs.

Players are already locked down with "loved ones". Yes they all have nice digs. But they can bring whoever they are currently isolated with to Vegas or Orlando or wherever and stay in a luxurious suite for a couple of months. And for most players it would be far less time.

What the incentive to a team that is already lottery bound to play a week or two of games?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I don't know if players will buy into a bubble situation. Two months, if that's what finishing the season will take, is a long time to be isolated from society regardless of how luxurious the amenities are. Here is what some baseball players have said about a proposed bubble idea in their sport.

Mike Trout: "We want to get back as soon as we can, but obviously it’s got to be realistic. It can’t be sitting in our hotel rooms, just going from the field to the hotel room and not being able to do anything. I think that’s pretty crazy."

Clayton Kershaw: "I just don’t see that happening. I’m not going to be away from my family and not seem them for four and a half months. I just talked about how much Cooper changes over one week, so to miss four months of his life right now, I’m just not going to do it."

You can't compare a season to a tourney. Baseball would be 4+ months. Basketball playoffs could be done in 40 days. Hell, if players want it to go quicker, they can concede to less off days and do it in 30 days. With no travel, rest days are less important. (Side note: Wonder if they would throw in the idea of a double-header at some point if timing is that big of an issue)

Also, I love when guys like Trout and Kershaw who have made I'm guessing 9 figures in career earnings are speaking for the whole league. There are plenty of players living pay check to pay check and aren't prepared for a work stoppage in a non-lockout year. Yeah, it sucks not seeing Yelich in the line-up but if he sits out people will still watch the games and MLB will market someone else in his place.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't know if players will buy into a bubble situation. Two months, if that's what finishing the season will take, is a long time to be isolated from society regardless of how luxurious the amenities are. Here is what some baseball players have said about a proposed bubble idea in their sport.

Mike Trout: "We want to get back as soon as we can, but obviously it’s got to be realistic. It can’t be sitting in our hotel rooms, just going from the field to the hotel room and not being able to do anything. I think that’s pretty crazy."

Clayton Kershaw: "I just don’t see that happening. I’m not going to be away from my family and not seem them for four and a half months. I just talked about how much Cooper changes over one week, so to miss four months of his life right now, I’m just not going to do it."

Big difference. Baseball hasn't started. Basketball wants to finish. They will almost immediately go right into the playoffs after a few games. And once teams are eliminated they can leave. More than half the teams don't make the playoffs.

Players are already locked down with "loved ones". Yes they all have nice digs. But they can bring whoever they are currently isolated with to Vegas or Orlando or wherever and stay in a luxurious suite for a couple of months. And for most players it would be far less time.

What the incentive to a team that is already lottery bound to play a week or two of games?

Money. Now I've seen conflicting reports on how many more games they need to get fully paid by the regional FSNs.

Personally I think it's silly to bring the sure lotto teams back for a few games. That just doesn't make sense on a few levels. Hell leaving just the bottom 5 teams in each conference home reduces the total number of people involved in this by 1/3. That alone makes the whole operation easier.

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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I don't know if players will buy into a bubble situation. Two months, if that's what finishing the season will take, is a long time to be isolated from society regardless of how luxurious the amenities are. Here is what some baseball players have said about a proposed bubble idea in their sport.

Mike Trout: "We want to get back as soon as we can, but obviously it’s got to be realistic. It can’t be sitting in our hotel rooms, just going from the field to the hotel room and not being able to do anything. I think that’s pretty crazy."

Clayton Kershaw: "I just don’t see that happening. I’m not going to be away from my family and not seem them for four and a half months. I just talked about how much Cooper changes over one week, so to miss four months of his life right now, I’m just not going to do it."

Big difference. Baseball hasn't started. Basketball wants to finish. They will almost immediately go right into the playoffs after a few games. And once teams are eliminated they can leave. More than half the teams don't make the playoffs.

Players are already locked down with "loved ones". Yes they all have nice digs. But they can bring whoever they are currently isolated with to Vegas or Orlando or wherever and stay in a luxurious suite for a couple of months. And for most players it would be far less time.

What the incentive to a team that is already lottery bound to play a week or two of games?

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/pro-basketball-rsns-schedule-playoffs
I wonder what the actual $ figures are, but money talks. Most players will agree to play a week not to take a pay cut. The league and players association probably would have big fines for the few guys that come up with an injury excuse.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Personally I think it's silly to bring the sure lotto teams back for a few games. That just doesn't make sense on a few levels. Hell leaving just the bottom 5 teams in each conference home reduces the total number of people involved in this by 1/3. That alone makes the whole operation easier.

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The thing that sucks is the West 8-11 is pretty bunched together. Add in that the Pelicans are 3.5 back and the NBA probably wants to have at least be able to dream about Zion/Lebron. You could eliminate the bottom four teams and have a 4 team play-in for the final spot over 2 days. It complicates things but you would get a lot of eye-balls with Zion playing in back to back elimination games to make the playoffs. You can say its fair for teams who might've made the playoffs if the season would've played out.