2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[god shammgod]

so your going to quote someone that says haliburton is a better passer than LaMelo to slander frank

They're pretty close as passers. And I posted it to show you that Frank is not even in the same convo as them. But I see you missed that point

no i didn't. Haliburton is no where near the playmaker that Lamelo is. Haliburton doesn't have the handle to create that seperation that Lamelo does or the finishing ability around the basket. They aint close with the ball in there hands.

Now Laliburton is a better defender and shooter than Lamelo. That is facts.

if only he existed. he'd be close to complete. we'd miss him by one pick

[HEZI]

All you gotta do is look at Haliburton's 3 point shooting over the last couple years and you will see how he isn't like Frank at all whatsoever. Not just the shooting numbers but the volume in attempts.

Coaches have to beg Frank to take a shot and restructure his entire DNA as an NBA player. Haliburton is just cut different. There is no comparison once you go further than the body frame and build.

[3toheadmelo]

so your going to quote someone that says haliburton is a better passer than LaMelo to slander frank

They're pretty close as passers. And I posted it to show you that Frank is not even in the same convo as them. But I see you missed that point

no i didn't. Haliburton is no where near the playmaker that Lamelo is. Haliburton doesn't have the handle to create that seperation that Lamelo does or the finishing ability around the basket. They aint close with the ball in there hands.

Now Laliburton is a better defender and shooter than Lamelo. That is facts.

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Haliburton might be the 2nd best passer in the draft, and maybe the best shooter or at least one of the best. We could def use that. I don't know if he will be able to create much offense for himself, but he is very good at finding lanes and hitting others. I see the Lonzo comparisons there...Someone like that would be much needed and valuable.

[mpharris36]

You know who else drew Frank comparisons before the draft?

SGA

He averaged 19 PPG last season

Not every 6'5" lanky guard is going to be an incapable scorer like Frank Ntilikina

i mean I always have concerns about comparing anyone to Kentucky players. Callipari has a way of limiting his players offesnive potential so that everyone can play a certain role. Look at KAT production at Kentucky, AD's production, Bookers production. Even then SGA was a more dynamic player with the ball in his hands than Haliburton. He just wasn't utilized like that.

Haliburton is a more of a ball distirbutor though. SGA has more natural scoring ability especially in the P&R where Haliburton is relatively avg in the half court.

Calipari didn't limit Shai in any way whatsoever. Shai wasn't even that good in college. He had to beat out Quade Green for minutes in the beginning because most people didn't even know him like that since he wasn't a top recruit. Calipari wasn't holding him back, if anything Calipari gave him the opportunity and had no issue benching Quade who was the more highly rated prospect going into the season.

I am not talking about minutes played or starting. I am talking about Callipari relies on a balanced approach and lets guys focus on there best skills rather then letting guys take over. Its why guys come out of Kentucky and explode, it doesn't mean they didn't have that potential they just were playing in his offensive system...which absolutely does limit offensive players talents. There isn't much creativity in that offense, its very system driven.

[mpharris36]

Haliburton might be the 2nd best passer in the draft, and maybe the best shooter or at least one of the best. We could def use that. I don't know if he will be able to create much offense for himself, but he is very good at finding lanes and hitting others. I see the Lonzo comparisons there...Someone like that would be much needed and valuable.

he is still a "glue" type PG, and not a PG that will run your entire offense. he is a good decision maker and a good passer but if we are looking for a guy that is going to be the main facilitator and ball dominant guard with high usage you are looking for the wrong guy.

Offensive Role: PnR PG, C&S off ball, glue guard – does the little things on offense (stays in role, direct, quick decision-making, swing passes, etc). Needs players who can get into the paint off penetration around him to help keep the offensive flow.

[robillionaire]

Anybody see Frank here

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Lamelo has a better ato ratio. This person is stupid

[mpharris36]

synergy ranked haliburton in the 32nd percentile as a P&R ball handler with about .64 ppp and 38% with about .68 ppp in ISO...that isn't a lead dog.

On the other hand dude ranked 99% in both catch and shoot and 99% in transition. He is the ultimate glue PG.

not a big risk taker, quick decision maker, doesn't let the ball stick, swing a lot of passes around the perimeter...what am I missing here?

[HEZI]

i mean I always have concerns about comparing anyone to Kentucky players. Callipari has a way of limiting his players offesnive potential so that everyone can play a certain role. Look at KAT production at Kentucky, AD's production, Bookers production. Even then SGA was a more dynamic player with the ball in his hands than Haliburton. He just wasn't utilized like that.

Haliburton is a more of a ball distirbutor though. SGA has more natural scoring ability especially in the P&R where Haliburton is relatively avg in the half court.

Calipari didn't limit Shai in any way whatsoever. Shai wasn't even that good in college. He had to beat out Quade Green for minutes in the beginning because most people didn't even know him like that since he wasn't a top recruit. Calipari wasn't holding him back, if anything Calipari gave him the opportunity and had no issue benching Quade who was the more highly rated prospect going into the season.

I am not talking about minutes played or starting. I am talking about Callipari relies on a balanced approach and lets guys focus on there best skills rather then letting guys take over. Its why guys come out of Kentucky and explode, it doesn't mean they didn't have that potential they just were playing in his offensive system...which absolutely does limit offensive players talents. There isn't much creativity in that offense, its very system driven.

That's not it. UK usually draws multiple top recruits so there is balance created throughout. The reason a lot of their guys achieve success in the NBA is because they usually draw the top rated prospects in the nation, specifically one an done. They are the factory for that. SGA wasn't a top high school prospect and Calipari had nothing to do with that.

[blueNorange]

Haliburton is a winning player but will suffer in the half-court.

LaMelo moves on the court like a Queen on a chess board.

lamelo is trash.

You're digging your grave BnO.

he’s not even the #1 in an all time terrible draft.

[mpharris36]

Calipari didn't limit Shai in any way whatsoever. Shai wasn't even that good in college. He had to beat out Quade Green for minutes in the beginning because most people didn't even know him like that since he wasn't a top recruit. Calipari wasn't holding him back, if anything Calipari gave him the opportunity and had no issue benching Quade who was the more highly rated prospect going into the season.

I am not talking about minutes played or starting. I am talking about Callipari relies on a balanced approach and lets guys focus on there best skills rather then letting guys take over. Its why guys come out of Kentucky and explode, it doesn't mean they didn't have that potential they just were playing in his offensive system...which absolutely does limit offensive players talents. There isn't much creativity in that offense, its very system driven.

That's not it. UK usually draws multiple top recruits so there is balance created throughout. The reason a lot of their guys achieve success in the NBA is because they usually draw the top rated prospects in the nation, specifically one an done. They are the factory for that. SGA wasn't a top high school prospect and Calipari had nothing to do with that.

he was 35 recruit (out of 100) in his class and the 2nd highest recruit out of Canada that year behind NAW. I wouldn't consider him a no name recruit. ANd to that point I do agree somewhat in that the plan is Callipari sells these guys on doing less and we will get you drafted in the 1st round because we are kentucky and play in a lot of big games and you will get noticed.

Its a different system then say what Anthony Edwards was in where he was playing with zero NBA talent so he has to shoulder the entire load and usage. Where as in kentucky there system is to share and let everyone get there because they have so much young talent on the roster.

[blueNorange]

if you draft that bag of poo lamelo, then you trade rj barrett.

rj needs the ball in his hands and so does lamelo, who’ll never be able to play off the ball with is broken shot and trash form.

[RHODEY]

synergy ranked haliburton in the 32nd percentile as a P&R ball handler with about .64 ppp and 38% with about .68 ppp in ISO...that isn't a lead dog.

On the other hand dude ranked 99% in both catch and shoot and 99% in transition. He is the ultimate glue PG.

not a big risk taker, quick decision maker, doesn't let the ball stick, swing a lot of passes around the perimeter...what am I missing here?

His game isn't "sexy"...and that's cardinal sin

[blueNorange]

so funny seeing a lot of you trash the front office and say they fall for the same patterns when y’all the fans fall for the same patterns too with terrible players.

in what world do you think lavar ball having a platform again works? we’ve already seen it explode wit the lakers, the team became a joke and lonzo still hasn’t recovered from being “lavars son”

lather, rinse, repeat with a lot of you.

[mpharris36]

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synergy ranked haliburton in the 32nd percentile as a P&R ball handler with about .64 ppp and 38% with about .68 ppp in ISO...that isn't a lead dog.

On the other hand dude ranked 99% in both catch and shoot and 99% in transition. He is the ultimate glue PG.

not a big risk taker, quick decision maker, doesn't let the ball stick, swing a lot of passes around the perimeter...what am I missing here?

His game isn't "sexy"...and that's cardinal sin

im just trying to temper expectations. I actually think Haliburton and RJ would work really well off each other. But if Frank could shoot it at a signficantly higher clip they would well together too

which is ultimately my point. If you want a system PG haliburton is a great option...does everything well, nothing really exceptional. If your trying to shoot for the stars someone like LaMelo or to a lesser extent Killian Hayes have some more upside because they project more as lead playmakers at there best.

[HarthorneWingo]

if you draft that bag of poo lamelo, then you trade rj barrett.

rj needs the ball in his hands and so does lamelo, who’ll never be able to play off the ball with is broken shot and trash form.

RJ is going in a package for Ingram.

[HEZI]

I am not talking about minutes played or starting. I am talking about Callipari relies on a balanced approach and lets guys focus on there best skills rather then letting guys take over. Its why guys come out of Kentucky and explode, it doesn't mean they didn't have that potential they just were playing in his offensive system...which absolutely does limit offensive players talents. There isn't much creativity in that offense, its very system driven.

That's not it. UK usually draws multiple top recruits so there is balance created throughout. The reason a lot of their guys achieve success in the NBA is because they usually draw the top rated prospects in the nation, specifically one an done. They are the factory for that. SGA wasn't a top high school prospect and Calipari had nothing to do with that.

he was 35 recruit (out of 100) in his class and the 2nd highest recruit out of Canada that year behind NAW. I wouldn't consider him a no name recruit. ANd to that point I do agree somewhat in that the plan is Callipari sells these guys on doing less and we will get you drafted in the 1st round because we are kentucky and play in a lot of big games and you will get noticed.

Its a different system then say what Anthony Edwards was in where he was playing with zero NBA talent so he has to shoulder the entire load and usage. Where as in kentucky there system is to share and let everyone get there because they have so much young talent on the roster.

35 is not a top recruit man. He wasn't even ranked 4th highest on his team. Knox, Diallo and Green were all ranked higher than him coming into the year. On top of that they already had PJ Washington still there.

Are you really saying that SGA would have put up better numbers in college than Haliburton if he went to a different team?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Haliburton might be the 2nd best passer in the draft, and maybe the best shooter or at least one of the best. We could def use that. I don't know if he will be able to create much offense for himself, but he is very good at finding lanes and hitting others. I see the Lonzo comparisons there...Someone like that would be much needed and valuable.

he is still a "glue" type PG, and not a PG that will run your entire offense. he is a good decision maker and a good passer but if we are looking for a guy that is going to be the main facilitator and ball dominant guard with high usage you are looking for the wrong guy.

Offensive Role: PnR PG, C&S off ball, glue guard – does the little things on offense (stays in role, direct, quick decision-making, swing passes, etc). Needs players who can get into the paint off penetration around him to help keep the offensive flow.

Yea, he is more of a glue player then a high usage player. But there are different levels of that and its something every team needs. Maybe he ends up being kinda like a Brogdon/Lonzo type where he provides a lot of different things. That would still fill a huge hole and be very valuable. He could end up being more of a good #3/#4 type player, where some glue players are more of a #5 or bench guys. Of course I want a lead/main facilitator, but have to take what you can get. May not be easy to find a top guy if we are drafting at 6 to 8.

What I like about Hali is that it gives us flexibility and would be a really nice compliment next to RJ. Could pair a lot of different type of PGs, SGs or even SFs next to him and RJ that could fit...there are a lot of options next draft, or you never know if someone like Beal/Booker become available. Frank could still fit well as a defensive G off the bench that could backup multiple positions.

[mpharris36]

That's not it. UK usually draws multiple top recruits so there is balance created throughout. The reason a lot of their guys achieve success in the NBA is because they usually draw the top rated prospects in the nation, specifically one an done. They are the factory for that. SGA wasn't a top high school prospect and Calipari had nothing to do with that.

he was 35 recruit (out of 100) in his class and the 2nd highest recruit out of Canada that year behind NAW. I wouldn't consider him a no name recruit. ANd to that point I do agree somewhat in that the plan is Callipari sells these guys on doing less and we will get you drafted in the 1st round because we are kentucky and play in a lot of big games and you will get noticed.

Its a different system then say what Anthony Edwards was in where he was playing with zero NBA talent so he has to shoulder the entire load and usage. Where as in kentucky there system is to share and let everyone get there because they have so much young talent on the roster.

35 is not a top recruit man. He wasn't even ranked 4th highest on his team. Knox, Diallo and Green were all ranked higher than him coming into the year. On top of that they already had PJ Washington still there.

Are you really saying that SGA would have put up better numbers in college than Haliburton if he went to a different team?

how dare you!!!

you are talking to a guy that went to Pittsburgh!! if we ever got a top 50 recruit I would jump threw my bedroom window!

[HEZI]

he was 35 recruit (out of 100) in his class and the 2nd highest recruit out of Canada that year behind NAW. I wouldn't consider him a no name recruit. ANd to that point I do agree somewhat in that the plan is Callipari sells these guys on doing less and we will get you drafted in the 1st round because we are kentucky and play in a lot of big games and you will get noticed.

Its a different system then say what Anthony Edwards was in where he was playing with zero NBA talent so he has to shoulder the entire load and usage. Where as in kentucky there system is to share and let everyone get there because they have so much young talent on the roster.

35 is not a top recruit man. He wasn't even ranked 4th highest on his team. Knox, Diallo and Green were all ranked higher than him coming into the year. On top of that they already had PJ Washington still there.

Are you really saying that SGA would have put up better numbers in college than Haliburton if he went to a different team?

how dare you!!!

you are talking to a guy that went to Pittsburgh!! if we ever got a top 50 recruit I would jump threw my bedroom window!