If Lebron is the GOAT then how did he allow younger star players to catch him in rings already in his era?

[HurdyGurdyMan]

What do you mean allowed? Curry had one of the most stacked teams of all time. Ridiculous thread. LeBron > Curry by a huge margin.

This is simply not true for the pre-Durant Warriors. The team was built via draft (and without super-high picks).
Also I don't get why the argument for the Warriors being stacked is not made for the Heat, who even staged a freaking ceremony to publicly showcase how stacked they were and how much they would dominate the league.

[Homer38]

What do you mean allowed? Curry had one of the most stacked teams of all time. Ridiculous thread. LeBron > Curry by a huge margin.

This is simply not true for the pre-Durant Warriors. The team was built via draft (and without super-high picks).
Also I don't get why the argument for the Warriors being stacked is not made for the Heat, who even staged a freaking ceremony to publicly showcase how stacked they were and how much they would dominate the league.

Curry had much more room for error in 2015 and 2016 than LBJ have had in his career

[NeutralObserver]

Kawhi - 2 Rings
KD- 2 Rings
Curry - 3 Rings

Also important to mention that they guys have had a more competitive career in the West on their road to championships too.

[HurdyGurdyMan]

What do you mean allowed? Curry had one of the most stacked teams of all time. Ridiculous thread. LeBron > Curry by a huge margin.

This is simply not true for the pre-Durant Warriors. The team was built via draft (and without super-high picks).
Also I don't get why the argument for the Warriors being stacked is not made for the Heat, who even staged a freaking ceremony to publicly showcase how stacked they were and how much they would dominate the league.

Curry had much more room for error in 2015 and 2016 than LBJ have had in his career

so was he on a stacked team or not? I can't argue against two opposite arguments at once.
also - again - LeBron would've had all the margin by joining the Knicks or the Clippers and not Wade and Bosh - it works both ways.

[The4thHorseman]

What do you mean allowed? Curry had one of the most stacked teams of all time. Ridiculous thread. LeBron > Curry by a huge margin.

This is simply not true for the pre-Durant Warriors. The team was built via draft (and without super-high picks).
Also I don't get why the argument for the Warriors being stacked is not made for the Heat, who even staged a freaking ceremony to publicly showcase how stacked they were and how much they would dominate the league.

You mean they had a pep rally for their fans? Just like how High Schools and Colleges have been doing for the last 50+ years?? How dare they!!!

Oh the humanity!!! They'll probably burn in hell for doing such an obnoxious thing for the Heat fans!!!

[HEKTOR]

Lebron isn't on MJ's level, enough of this nonsense. No shame in being 2nd best to the GOAT.

[chitownsports4ever]

He allowed younger star players like Steph and Klay to catch him in rings and they are younger. If KD played against the Raptors they would have more rings than him and KD would have the same amount of rings as him.

This is why Lebron will never be in the same tier as Kobe and MJ. MJ went 6-0 in the Finals and Kobe went 5-2 in the Finals. Kobe would never allow younger star players to catch him in rings in his era. Same with MJ.

How can you be the GOAT when younger star players catch you in rings basically forming a dynasty in your era? Let’s not forget Dirk getting a ring in his era and he lost to a bum like Dwight Howard in 2009. Lakers manhandled that same Magic team.

Unless Lebron wins another ring you can’t put him in the same tier as lethal offense players like Kobe and MJ.

This is the participation trophy era of pro sports where everyone gets a trophy so no one will feel left out .

[In SVG We Trust]

Because LeBron actually had relevational talent and young players with superstar and HoF potential. Who were the young players in 1996s trying to push Jordan aside of Shaq?

Jordan didn't have to face as much talent as LeBron has. That isn't making Jordan a worse player or not a clearly GOAT candidate, but the drafts after his one were very very disappointed

[Pg81]

Lebron isn't on MJ's level, enough of this nonsense. No shame in being 2nd best to the GOAT.

Except MJ isn't the "GOAT".

[Pg81]

This is simply not true for the pre-Durant Warriors. The team was built via draft (and without super-high picks).
Also I don't get why the argument for the Warriors being stacked is not made for the Heat, who even staged a freaking ceremony to publicly showcase how stacked they were and how much they would dominate the league.

Curry had much more room for error in 2015 and 2016 than LBJ have had in his career

so was he on a stacked team or not? I can't argue against two opposite arguments at once.
also - again - LeBron would've had all the margin by joining the Knicks or the Clippers and not Wade and Bosh - it works both ways.

Yes Curry was on a stacked team. Especially once Durant arrived.

What do you mean allowed? Curry had one of the most stacked teams of all time. Ridiculous thread. LeBron > Curry by a huge margin.

This is simply not true for the pre-Durant Warriors. The team was built via draft (and without super-high picks).
Also I don't get why the argument for the Warriors being stacked is not made for the Heat, who even staged a freaking ceremony to publicly showcase how stacked they were and how much they would dominate the league.

The Heat were top heavy with a terrible bench and weak at the other two starting positions. Was it a super team? Sure. As great as some of the old legends? No. Pretty sure Magic forcing him to the Lakers for example, something he never gets flack for, turned them into a more talented team than anything LeBron ever had.
So what if the stacking happened through the draft? So in a hypothetical case where Bird, Magic and MJ were drafted on the same team, that team would not have been stacked because it happened through the draft? Are you serious?

[Ugalde]

i am a full on Jordan is GOAT and too
me a notch above LeBron or two.

but LeBron throughout his career just hasn’t had a great supporting cast. now whether that’s his fault or not can be debated but his first cleveland stint he had nobody and i just don’t think Wade/Bron we’re a great fit. go back and watch the games. watch how much better and more free Bron played when Wade was off the court.

the second Cleveland stint was a good team and LeBron was at his peak IMO but the Warriors were just so much more stacked. LeBron probably would of beat them the first year if Irving/Love weren’t injured. i mean it’s hard for anyone to win when their 2nd and 3rd best players are injured.

than Durant joins the Warriors and you have two MVPs and at the time the 2nd and 3rd best players in the NBA on one team. teaming up specifically to beat LeBron.

LeBron just hasn’t had much fortune on his journey.

[dautjazz]

It still doesn’t change the fact that all these different people won multiple rings in Lebron era. Kobe didn’t allow that. Only person who got multiple rings in his era is Tim Duncan

Kobe is a terrible finals performer. I think he was great in 2002, and was bad in the other 6 finals. Lebron was terrible in 2 finals, but the best player in the other 7 finals.

2001: 25/8/6 on 42/33
2002 vs NJN: 27/6/5 on 51/55
2004 vs DET: 23/3/4 on 38/17
2008 vs BOS: 26/5/5/ on 41/32
2009 vs ORL: 32/5/7 on 43/36
2010 vs BOS: 29/8/4 on 41/32

So he was bad in all Finals but 2002?

Averaging 32/5/7 and winning finals MVP is bad. Good to know.

43% FG with 36% 3PT% isn't very good. Kobe's TS% was .525, certainly below mediocre, and his .463 eFG is not good either. His raw stats look good, but don't ignore how bad the efficiency was, not to mention Kobe averaged 43.8mpg to achieve those stats.

[Homer38]

This is simply not true for the pre-Durant Warriors. The team was built via draft (and without super-high picks).
Also I don't get why the argument for the Warriors being stacked is not made for the Heat, who even staged a freaking ceremony to publicly showcase how stacked they were and how much they would dominate the league.

Curry had much more room for error in 2015 and 2016 than LBJ have had in his career

so was he on a stacked team or not? I can't argue against two opposite arguments at once.
also - again - LeBron would've had all the margin by joining the Knicks or the Clippers and not Wade and Bosh - it works both ways.

The heat played several close series even when LBJ played great ... Curry had the biggest margin of error no matter what even in 2015 and 2016.

[NeutralObserver]

Curry had much more room for error in 2015 and 2016 than LBJ have had in his career

so was he on a stacked team or not? I can't argue against two opposite arguments at once.
also - again - LeBron would've had all the margin by joining the Knicks or the Clippers and not Wade and Bosh - it works both ways.

The heat played several close series even when LBJ played great ... Curry had the biggest margin of error no matter what even in 2015 and 2016.

What team has Lebron faced that's better than the 2017-2018 Rockets?

If we're conceding that 2017-2018 were the greatest team, what does that make the Rockets?

Again, I could EASILY make the argument that the Rockets team that the Warriors faced were better than ANY team Lebron has faced in his entire career.

[Homer38]

so was he on a stacked team or not? I can't argue against two opposite arguments at once.
also - again - LeBron would've had all the margin by joining the Knicks or the Clippers and not Wade and Bosh - it works both ways.

The heat played several close series even when LBJ played great ... Curry had the biggest margin of error no matter what even in 2015 and 2016.

What team has Lebron faced that's better than the 2017-2018 Rockets?

If we're conceding that 2017-2018 were the greatest team, what does that make the Rockets?

Again, I could EASILY make the argument that the Rockets team that the Warriors faced were better than ANY team Lebron has faced in his entire career.

In the teams that LeBron beat, at least the 2011 celtics, 2012 thunder, 2013 spurs and 2016 warriors ... At least they have all a argument

The Rockets were very good, but you can't miss 27 3 points in a row and try nothing else in the biggest game of your life

Harden hadn't been great in this series too.

[Jayt99]

Lebron isn't on MJ's level, enough of this nonsense. No shame in being 2nd best to the GOAT.

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[Ontario]

He allowed younger star players like Steph and Klay to catch him in rings and they are younger. If KD played against the Raptors they would have more rings than him and KD would have the same amount of rings as him.

This is why Lebron will never be in the same tier as Kobe and MJ. MJ went 6-0 in the Finals and Kobe went 5-2 in the Finals. Kobe would never allow younger star players to catch him in rings in his era. Same with MJ.

How can you be the GOAT when younger star players catch you in rings basically forming a dynasty in your era? Let’s not forget Dirk getting a ring in his era and he lost to a bum like Dwight Howard in 2009. Lakers manhandled that same Magic team.

Unless Lebron wins another ring you can’t put him in the same tier as lethal offense players like Kobe and MJ.

Probably because 'rings' is the most foolish way to measure a player.

[HEKTOR]

Lebron isn't on MJ's level, enough of this nonsense. No shame in being 2nd best to the GOAT.

Except MJ isn't the "GOAT".

Yeah, he is.

[HEKTOR]

Lebron isn't on MJ's level, enough of this nonsense. No shame in being 2nd best to the GOAT.

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To Lebron? That's fair.

[NeutralObserver]

Crazy how Lebron is NEVER on the team that's expected to win and always somehow expected to lose.

How were the 2018 Warriors 'impossible' to beat when the Rockets were 48min away from doing so?