2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

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Haliburton also made like 80% of his corner 3's which is bananas...he was something like 11/14 from corner 3's. So you def want to utilze that skill.

over 66% (2/3rds) of his shots are jumpers. With about only 18% of his shots coming near the basket so he will def need to play with one or two ball handlers because he is not someone who consistently is aggressive in getting into the paint.

He would actually make a fantastic triangle PG

he's great fit with ntilikina and barrett imo. positionless 1-3, but in an sensible way. 3 solid BBIQ facilitators, none particularly ball-dominant. 3 distinct areas of elite talent (shooter, defender, bully). plug another shooter at 4 (not a black hole like randle) and run the offense through RJ. it's not an overnight contender, but it'd likely produce fluid basketball by young players that i would actually enjoy watching. that's how the nets got their hands on KD/kyrie (for better or worse)

I think if you had a floor spacer like a Bertans at the 4 it could work with Mitch at he 5.

But my concern would be you would have a below avg athlete at the 1-3. RJ is your best slasher and even he's struggles to get by his defender with quickness and Hali and Frank aren't those guys either. We would have to rely on player movement for sure and all 3 are intellegent smart basketball players. But I would have concern about the shot creation from them in terms of consistently breaking down the defense.

in addition to having 2 guys in frank and TH who can't drive or get to the line we wouldn't have a lot of shooting, assuming frank and RJ both keep chugging along at 32% from 3 and then Haliburton who does shoot a high percentage but I believe pretty much needs to be wide open to make 3s because he doesn't have a quick first step and can't shoot off the dribble because his slow wind-up release. but yeah adding Bertans would help remedy that (we should be chasing a stretch 4 no matter what this summer). I'm not going to entertain the idea mitch will start shooting 3s

defense would be solid though

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he's great fit with ntilikina and barrett imo. positionless 1-3, but in an sensible way. 3 solid BBIQ facilitators, none particularly ball-dominant. 3 distinct areas of elite talent (shooter, defender, bully). plug another shooter at 4 (not a black hole like randle) and run the offense through RJ. it's not an overnight contender, but it'd likely produce fluid basketball by young players that i would actually enjoy watching. that's how the nets got their hands on KD/kyrie (for better or worse)

I think if you had a floor spacer like a Bertans at the 4 it could work with Mitch at he 5.

But my concern would be you would have a below avg athlete at the 1-3. RJ is your best slasher and even he's struggles to get by his defender with quickness and Hali and Frank aren't those guys either. We would have to rely on player movement for sure and all 3 are intellegent smart basketball players. But I would have concern about the shot creation from them in terms of consistently breaking down the defense.

in addition to having 2 guys in frank and TH who can't drive or get to the line we wouldn't have a lot of shooting, assuming frank and RJ both keep chugging along at 32% from 3 and then Haliburton who does shoot a high percentage but I believe pretty much needs to be wide open to make 3s because he doesn't have a quick first step and can't shoot off the dribble because his slow wind-up release. but yeah adding Bertans would help remedy that (we should be chasing a stretch 4 no matter what this summer). I'm not going to entertain the idea mitch will start shooting 3s

defense would be solid though

Haliburton was actually in the 94% in making contested jump shots. The shot is unorthodox but it goes in (open or guarded). We should be chasing a stretch 4 like you said regardless because with Mitch we need to maximize Mitch rolling to the basket...it can be unguardable at times if we have the proper spacing.

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Haliburton also made like 80% of his corner 3's which is bananas...he was something like 11/14 from corner 3's. So you def want to utilze that skill.

over 66% (2/3rds) of his shots are jumpers. With about only 18% of his shots coming near the basket so he will def need to play with one or two ball handlers because he is not someone who consistently is aggressive in getting into the paint.

He would actually make a fantastic triangle PG

This is why the SGA comps don’t make sense to me. I definitely can buy the Lonzo comps but SGA is an attacking guard. As a rookie he averaged 10 drives per game. That’s one less drive per game than Kyrie. Last season he was 16 Per game. That’s good enough to put him in the top 10. I can’t track down drives per game in the NCAA but I doubt Haliburton’s number would be that high.

Yea, he is not like SGA. SGA was more dynamic and could attack better.

I think Hali can be good, but probably more of a lower ceiling player...solid and would fit well, but probably not a star...more of a glue or super glue player. As long as everyone is ok with that.

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Haliburton also made like 80% of his corner 3's which is bananas...he was something like 11/14 from corner 3's. So you def want to utilze that skill.

over 66% (2/3rds) of his shots are jumpers. With about only 18% of his shots coming near the basket so he will def need to play with one or two ball handlers because he is not someone who consistently is aggressive in getting into the paint.

He would actually make a fantastic triangle PG

This is why the SGA comps don’t make sense to me. I definitely can buy the Lonzo comps but SGA is an attacking guard. As a rookie he averaged 10 drives per game. That’s one less drive per game than Kyrie. Last season he was 16 Per game. That’s good enough to put him in the top 10. I can’t track down drives per game in the NCAA but I doubt Haliburton’s number would be that high.

Yea, he is not like SGA. SGA was more dynamic and could attack better.

I think Hali can be good, but probably more of a lower ceiling player...solid and would fit well, but probably not a star...more of a glue or super glue player. As long as everyone is ok with that.

if you are picking 7 or 8 its hard to ask for more than that.

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This is why the SGA comps don’t make sense to me. I definitely can buy the Lonzo comps but SGA is an attacking guard. As a rookie he averaged 10 drives per game. That’s one less drive per game than Kyrie. Last season he was 16 Per game. That’s good enough to put him in the top 10. I can’t track down drives per game in the NCAA but I doubt Haliburton’s number would be that high.

Yea, he is not like SGA. SGA was more dynamic and could attack better.

I think Hali can be good, but probably more of a lower ceiling player...solid and would fit well, but probably not a star...more of a glue or super glue player. As long as everyone is ok with that.

if you are picking 7 or 8 its hard to ask for more than that.

Yea, i agree 100% especially in this draft. There looks like way more solid/role players in that range, and there are not many high upside guys imo in this draft after the top. Of course i am sure some guys will pan out as stars but its hard to say who that can be and odds are low.

So if we could get a solid starter at a key position i would take that in that range at this draft. Of course would prefer more, but it is what it is. Some of the high upside guys i do see are projected later, so maybe we take a swing with a later pick or possibly move up.

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I think if you had a floor spacer like a Bertans at the 4 it could work with Mitch at he 5.

But my concern would be you would have a below avg athlete at the 1-3. RJ is your best slasher and even he's struggles to get by his defender with quickness and Hali and Frank aren't those guys either. We would have to rely on player movement for sure and all 3 are intellegent smart basketball players. But I would have concern about the shot creation from them in terms of consistently breaking down the defense.

in addition to having 2 guys in frank and TH who can't drive or get to the line we wouldn't have a lot of shooting, assuming frank and RJ both keep chugging along at 32% from 3 and then Haliburton who does shoot a high percentage but I believe pretty much needs to be wide open to make 3s because he doesn't have a quick first step and can't shoot off the dribble because his slow wind-up release. but yeah adding Bertans would help remedy that (we should be chasing a stretch 4 no matter what this summer). I'm not going to entertain the idea mitch will start shooting 3s

defense would be solid though

Haliburton was actually in the 94% in making contested jump shots. The shot is unorthodox but it goes in (open or guarded). We should be chasing a stretch 4 like you said regardless because with Mitch we need to maximize Mitch rolling to the basket...it can be unguardable at times if we have the proper spacing.

I don’t know what they consider to be contested for that metric, maybe someone jumping at you from a few feet away, it’s definitely not him taking someone off the dribble and pulling up

He seems like he picks and chooses his shots very wisely which isn’t a bad thing at all tbh

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wtf did i watch

A dude who really needs to work on a jumper lol

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Haliburton also made like 80% of his corner 3's which is bananas...he was something like 11/14 from corner 3's. So you def want to utilze that skill.

over 66% (2/3rds) of his shots are jumpers. With about only 18% of his shots coming near the basket so he will def need to play with one or two ball handlers because he is not someone who consistently is aggressive in getting into the paint.

He would actually make a fantastic triangle PG

This is why the SGA comps don’t make sense to me. I definitely can buy the Lonzo comps but SGA is an attacking guard. As a rookie he averaged 10 drives per game. That’s one less drive per game than Kyrie. Last season he was 16 Per game. That’s good enough to put him in the top 10. I can’t track down drives per game in the NCAA but I doubt Haliburton’s number would be that high.

Yea, he is not like SGA. SGA was more dynamic and could attack better.

I think Hali can be good, but probably more of a lower ceiling player...solid and would fit well, but probably not a star...more of a glue or super glue player. As long as everyone is ok with that.

I brought up SGA cause he was thought to be a solid role player but ended up being more than that. Not saying Haliburton will be the same way but it’s def possible.

Their numbers are quite similar as well although their games are a little different.

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wtf did i watch

A dude who really needs to work on a jumper lol

knicks don't have the time for that

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Haliburton will most likely replicate Lonzo and Brogdon production in the NBA. And if I recall, a lot of people were butthurt we didn’t go after Brogdon in the offseason. So now we get to draft our own

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in addition to having 2 guys in frank and TH who can't drive or get to the line we wouldn't have a lot of shooting, assuming frank and RJ both keep chugging along at 32% from 3 and then Haliburton who does shoot a high percentage but I believe pretty much needs to be wide open to make 3s because he doesn't have a quick first step and can't shoot off the dribble because his slow wind-up release. but yeah adding Bertans would help remedy that (we should be chasing a stretch 4 no matter what this summer). I'm not going to entertain the idea mitch will start shooting 3s

defense would be solid though

Haliburton was actually in the 94% in making contested jump shots. The shot is unorthodox but it goes in (open or guarded). We should be chasing a stretch 4 like you said regardless because with Mitch we need to maximize Mitch rolling to the basket...it can be unguardable at times if we have the proper spacing.

I don’t know what they consider to be contested for that metric, maybe someone jumping at you from a few feet away, it’s definitely not him taking someone off the dribble and pulling up

He seems like he picks and chooses his shots very wisely which isn’t a bad thing at all tbh

yeah that is C&S.

when he has to dribble that is where things get dicey. He was in the 37% when shooting off the dribble. Only .68 ppp which isn't something to get excited about. It's why people have concerns about him as a primary play maker. He doesn't get into the paint consistently (lack of a quick first step and not advanced handle), he doesn't get to the FT line, and his mid range/shooting game is non exhistant.

He is a very smart passer, a great C&S shoot guy, really good finsiher especially in transition, and a plus defender.

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This is why the SGA comps don’t make sense to me. I definitely can buy the Lonzo comps but SGA is an attacking guard. As a rookie he averaged 10 drives per game. That’s one less drive per game than Kyrie. Last season he was 16 Per game. That’s good enough to put him in the top 10. I can’t track down drives per game in the NCAA but I doubt Haliburton’s number would be that high.

Yea, he is not like SGA. SGA was more dynamic and could attack better.

I think Hali can be good, but probably more of a lower ceiling player...solid and would fit well, but probably not a star...more of a glue or super glue player. As long as everyone is ok with that.

I brought up SGA cause he was thought to be a solid role player but ended up being more than that. Not saying Haliburton will be the same way but it’s def possible.

Their numbers are quite similar as well although their games are a little different.

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I thought SGA had some nice upside and liked him a lot. Similiar stats, but those stats really dont tell the story since there games are different. SGA can create offense better which is huge for upside in a guard. Plus i really liked how SGA played down the stretch and in the tournament's..was avg 20ppg.

Unfortunately, we didn't see Hali down the stretch. He was never really aggressive enough in college, and wasnt great at creating his own shot...not good at shooting off the dribble. Think that may limit his scoring. Great catch and shoot shooter, and am buying his jumper.

But again, i do like him and never know. Just wouldbt expect a star or SGA

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Yea, he is not like SGA. SGA was more dynamic and could attack better.

I think Hali can be good, but probably more of a lower ceiling player...solid and would fit well, but probably not a star...more of a glue or super glue player. As long as everyone is ok with that.

I brought up SGA cause he was thought to be a solid role player but ended up being more than that. Not saying Haliburton will be the same way but it’s def possible.

Their numbers are quite similar as well although their games are a little different.

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I thought SGA had some nice upside and liked him a lot. Similiar stats, but those stats really dont tell the story since there games are different. SGA can create offense better which is huge for upside in a guard. Plus i really liked how SGA played down the stretch and in the tournament's..was avg 20ppg.

Unfortunately, we didn't see Hali down the stretch. He was never really aggressive enough in college, and wasnt great at creating his own shot...not good at shooting off the dribble. Think that may limit his scoring. Great catch and shoot shooter, and am buying his jumper.

But again, i do like him and never know. Just wouldbt expect a star or SGA

SGA is more dynamic as a scorer but they both were lanky big guards with a lot of craftiness in their games. So we’ll see what happens. But my point still stands, he wasn’t really seen as a player with star upside, other wise he wouldn’t have fell out of the top 10. Don’t know if Haliburton will be the same way but I wouldn’t count him out imo.

We all would rather have a dynamic scoring PG that can also pass but the reality is that there’s no guy in our range that can do that. Haliburton is still a big upgrade at point for us so I’ll take it. Beggars can’t be choosers

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Haliburton also made like 80% of his corner 3's which is bananas...he was something like 11/14 from corner 3's. So you def want to utilze that skill.

over 66% (2/3rds) of his shots are jumpers. With about only 18% of his shots coming near the basket so he will def need to play with one or two ball handlers because he is not someone who consistently is aggressive in getting into the paint.

He would actually make a fantastic triangle PG

This is why the SGA comps don’t make sense to me. I definitely can buy the Lonzo comps but SGA is an attacking guard. As a rookie he averaged 10 drives per game. He averaged one less drive per game than Kyrie. Last season he was 16 Per game. That’s good enough to put him in the top 10. I can’t track down drives per game in the NCAA but I doubt Haliburton’s number would be that high.

I don’t know about the drive metic but Haliburton played 36.7 mpg and only averaged 2 FT attempts per game with a .184 FTA rate (ft attempts / fg attempts) , SGA in college averaged 4.7 ft attempts in 33 mpg (5.0 per 36) and .464 FTA rate so that is more than enough to validate that theory imo.

Frank’s is .172

You just taught me how to use free throw rate in the advanced stats so thanks

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The ideal point guard we want is Lamelo Ball but he is out of our range and even he is still risky. Would rather have Cade Cunningham who would go #1 in this years draft and would try everything possible to get him next year.

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I brought up SGA cause he was thought to be a solid role player but ended up being more than that. Not saying Haliburton will be the same way but it’s def possible.

Their numbers are quite similar as well although their games are a little different.

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I thought SGA had some nice upside and liked him a lot. Similiar stats, but those stats really dont tell the story since there games are different. SGA can create offense better which is huge for upside in a guard. Plus i really liked how SGA played down the stretch and in the tournament's..was avg 20ppg.

Unfortunately, we didn't see Hali down the stretch. He was never really aggressive enough in college, and wasnt great at creating his own shot...not good at shooting off the dribble. Think that may limit his scoring. Great catch and shoot shooter, and am buying his jumper.

But again, i do like him and never know. Just wouldbt expect a star or SGA

SGA is more dynamic as a scorer but they both were lanky big guards with a lot of craftiness in their games. So we’ll see what happens. But my point still stands, he wasn’t really seen as a player with star upside, other wise he wouldn’t have fell out of the top 10. Don’t know if Haliburton will be the same way but I wouldn’t count him out imo.

We all would rather have a dynamic scoring PG that can also pass but the reality is that there’s no guy in our range that can do that. Haliburton is still a big upgrade at point for us so I’ll take it. Beggars can’t be choosers

There were people that liked SGAs upside. Players fall all the time though.

Again, i like Hali and would take him. Not counting him out at all. He brings a lot of things we can use. Just a different game then SGA is all. I wouldnt expect him to avg 19ppg in the nba, although you never know.

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I brought up SGA cause he was thought to be a solid role player but ended up being more than that. Not saying Haliburton will be the same way but it’s def possible.

Their numbers are quite similar as well although their games are a little different.

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I thought SGA had some nice upside and liked him a lot. Similiar stats, but those stats really dont tell the story since there games are different. SGA can create offense better which is huge for upside in a guard. Plus i really liked how SGA played down the stretch and in the tournament's..was avg 20ppg.

Unfortunately, we didn't see Hali down the stretch. He was never really aggressive enough in college, and wasnt great at creating his own shot...not good at shooting off the dribble. Think that may limit his scoring. Great catch and shoot shooter, and am buying his jumper.

But again, i do like him and never know. Just wouldbt expect a star or SGA

SGA is more dynamic as a scorer but they both were lanky big guards with a lot of craftiness in their games. So we’ll see what happens. But my point still stands, he wasn’t really seen as a player with star upside, other wise he wouldn’t have fell out of the top 10. Don’t know if Haliburton will be the same way but I wouldn’t count him out imo.

We all would rather have a dynamic scoring PG that can also pass but the reality is that there’s no guy in our range that can do that. Haliburton is still a big upgrade at point for us so I’ll take it. Beggars can’t be choosers

Haliburton isn't really crafty in the half court.