2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[Chanel Bomber]

Haliburton will most likely replicate Lonzo and Brogdon production in the NBA. And if I recall, a lot of people were butthurt we didn’t go after Brogdon in the offseason. So now we get to draft our own

Team Haliburton (and Deni)

[3toheadmelo]

I thought SGA had some nice upside and liked him a lot. Similiar stats, but those stats really dont tell the story since there games are different. SGA can create offense better which is huge for upside in a guard. Plus i really liked how SGA played down the stretch and in the tournament's..was avg 20ppg.

Unfortunately, we didn't see Hali down the stretch. He was never really aggressive enough in college, and wasnt great at creating his own shot...not good at shooting off the dribble. Think that may limit his scoring. Great catch and shoot shooter, and am buying his jumper.

But again, i do like him and never know. Just wouldbt expect a star or SGA

SGA is more dynamic as a scorer but they both were lanky big guards with a lot of craftiness in their games. So we’ll see what happens. But my point still stands, he wasn’t really seen as a player with star upside, other wise he wouldn’t have fell out of the top 10. Don’t know if Haliburton will be the same way but I wouldn’t count him out imo.

We all would rather have a dynamic scoring PG that can also pass but the reality is that there’s no guy in our range that can do that. Haliburton is still a big upgrade at point for us so I’ll take it. Beggars can’t be choosers

There were people that liked SGAs upside. Players fall all the time though.

Again, i like Hali and would take him. Not counting him out at all. He brings a lot of things we can use. Just a different game then SGA is all. I wouldnt expect him to avg 19ppg in the nba, although you never know.

Yep not expecting him to be a scorer like a SGA but I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up getting there at some point

[thebuzzardman]

Read on Twitter

wtf did i watch

A guy bricking jumpers.

Future Knick for sure. If there's any identity the Knicks have had for about 15 years, it's the ability to not make jumpers.

Perfect culture fit.

[newyorker4ever]

If no LaMelo, this is my point guard until further notice. Just give me the point guard maker, Kenny Atkinson.

Watch on YouTube

RJ says Frank's his favorite back court mate. Young man is a terror on defense and getting better, why are we sweating it.
Then just get the best player available in this year's draft.

I just hope we don't give up on Frank before we truly give the kid a legit chance to grow. Many forget real quick how we all knew when we drafted him that he was gonna take time for him to develop. I'm sure we all were expecting him to show more by now but the last month or so of this season he was really starting to show that growth and seemed to gain a lot of confidence in himself. If he missed his first couple of shots he wasn't just stopping shooting like he used to do and would stick with it and would start hitting his shots and was being aggressive going to the basket.

Please Leon and Perry do not give up on this kid.

[mpharris36]

This is why the SGA comps don’t make sense to me. I definitely can buy the Lonzo comps but SGA is an attacking guard. As a rookie he averaged 10 drives per game. He averaged one less drive per game than Kyrie. Last season he was 16 Per game. That’s good enough to put him in the top 10. I can’t track down drives per game in the NCAA but I doubt Haliburton’s number would be that high.

I don’t know about the drive metic but Haliburton played 36.7 mpg and only averaged 2 FT attempts per game with a .184 FTA rate (ft attempts / fg attempts) , SGA in college averaged 4.7 ft attempts in 33 mpg (5.0 per 36) and .464 FTA rate so that is more than enough to validate that theory imo.

Frank’s is .172

You just taught me how to use free throw rate in the advanced stats so thanks

yeah which is why even though Haliburton is rightfully a significantly more polished offensive player than Frank there play styles are still very similar.

SGA is more of a drive and create type scorer that developed as a shooter. Haliburton is more of a cerebral ball movement PG that plays within an offense.

[Zenzibar]

If no LaMelo, this is my point guard until further notice. Just give me the point guard maker, Kenny Atkinson.

Watch on YouTube

RJ says Frank's his favorite back court mate. Young man is a terror on defense and getting better, why are we sweating it.
Then just get the best player available in this year's draft.

I just hope we don't give up on Frank before we truly give the kid a legit chance to grow. Many forget real quick how we all knew when we drafted him that he was gonna take time for him to develop. I'm sure we all were expecting him to show more by now but the last month or so of this season he was really starting to show that growth and seemed to gain a lot of confidence in himself. If he missed his first couple of shots he wasn't just stopping shooting like he used to do and would stick with it and would start hitting his shots and was being aggressive going to the basket.

Please Leon and Perry do not give up on this kid.

[Knicksfan1992]

I don’t know about the drive metic but Haliburton played 36.7 mpg and only averaged 2 FT attempts per game with a .184 FTA rate (ft attempts / fg attempts) , SGA in college averaged 4.7 ft attempts in 33 mpg (5.0 per 36) and .464 FTA rate so that is more than enough to validate that theory imo.

Frank’s is .172

You just taught me how to use free throw rate in the advanced stats so thanks

yeah which is why even though Haliburton is rightfully a significantly more polished offensive player than Frank there play styles are still very similar.

SGA is more of a drive and create type scorer that developed as a shooter. Haliburton is more of a cerebral ball movement PG that plays within an offense.

I don't think Haliburton is a true PG at the next level. I think he'll play up as a wing which will make his skillset a little more valuable. I agree he's not Shai but even though the form is wonky the shot is less of a question mark than it was with Shai. Halli can flat shoot it off the catch.

I also am a little more optimistic about Hali as an attacker. I think he's more "bursty" than Frank, for an example, and his issue is more about accepting contact at the rim and on his drives. He shies away from it. But I think with some weight room work and more focus in the film room he'll get better.

Also I buy that the kid has a good head on his shoulders and seems like a dedicated high IQ player. He's a good fit for a Knicks roster that lacks high level IQ guys. He sold me in his film room session with Schmitz TBH

[mpharris36]

You just taught me how to use free throw rate in the advanced stats so thanks

yeah which is why even though Haliburton is rightfully a significantly more polished offensive player than Frank there play styles are still very similar.

SGA is more of a drive and create type scorer that developed as a shooter. Haliburton is more of a cerebral ball movement PG that plays within an offense.

I don't think Haliburton is a true PG at the next level. I think he'll play up as a wing which will make his skillset a little more valuable. I agree he's not Shai but even though the form is wonky the shot is less of a question mark than it was with Shai. Halli can flat shoot it off the catch.

I also am a little more optimistic about Hali as an attacker. I think he's more "bursty" than Frank, for an example, and his issue is more about accepting contact at the rim and on his drives. He shies away from it. But I think with some weight room work and more focus in the film room he'll get better.

Also I buy that the kid has a good head on his shoulders and seems like a dedicated high IQ player. He's a good fit for a Knicks roster that lacks high level IQ guys. He sold me in his film room session with Schmitz TBH

I agree with almost all of this post. I do think it may be difficult for him to put on weight...def has the shaun livingston build. I don't think he has the frame really to add much bulk.

But I will have no complains adding Hali to the roster. Good high IQ players that can shoot, play defense, and pass well are always welcome. I just think we need to understand what he will and wont be able to do at the next level and have expectations that we can just give him the ball and let him rock and run the offense. Just don't think he's that guy.

[3toheadmelo]

I thought SGA had some nice upside and liked him a lot. Similiar stats, but those stats really dont tell the story since there games are different. SGA can create offense better which is huge for upside in a guard. Plus i really liked how SGA played down the stretch and in the tournament's..was avg 20ppg.

Unfortunately, we didn't see Hali down the stretch. He was never really aggressive enough in college, and wasnt great at creating his own shot...not good at shooting off the dribble. Think that may limit his scoring. Great catch and shoot shooter, and am buying his jumper.

But again, i do like him and never know. Just wouldbt expect a star or SGA

SGA is more dynamic as a scorer but they both were lanky big guards with a lot of craftiness in their games. So we’ll see what happens. But my point still stands, he wasn’t really seen as a player with star upside, other wise he wouldn’t have fell out of the top 10. Don’t know if Haliburton will be the same way but I wouldn’t count him out imo.

We all would rather have a dynamic scoring PG that can also pass but the reality is that there’s no guy in our range that can do that. Haliburton is still a big upgrade at point for us so I’ll take it. Beggars can’t be choosers

Haliburton isn't really crafty in the half court.

Around the rim he is. I can show you some examples if you want

[jvsimonetti0514]

I don’t know about the drive metic but Haliburton played 36.7 mpg and only averaged 2 FT attempts per game with a .184 FTA rate (ft attempts / fg attempts) , SGA in college averaged 4.7 ft attempts in 33 mpg (5.0 per 36) and .464 FTA rate so that is more than enough to validate that theory imo.

Frank’s is .172

You just taught me how to use free throw rate in the advanced stats so thanks

yeah which is why even though Haliburton is rightfully a significantly more polished offensive player than Frank there play styles are still very similar.

SGA is more of a drive and create type scorer that developed as a shooter. Haliburton is more of a cerebral ball movement PG that plays within an offense.

It's funny that you made the comparison to old man Kidd because I made that same comparison to Frank back in 2017. I don't think Haliburton will have those same aggression issues that Frank had so hopefully he won't be scared to attack when he has the opportunity. I'd hate to spend all next season watching another guard ignoring driving lanes because he scared to get the rim.

[HEZI]

Haliburton also made like 80% of his corner 3's which is bananas...he was something like 11/14 from corner 3's. So you def want to utilze that skill.

over 66% (2/3rds) of his shots are jumpers. With about only 18% of his shots coming near the basket so he will def need to play with one or two ball handlers because he is not someone who consistently is aggressive in getting into the paint.

He would actually make a fantastic triangle PG

This is why the SGA comps don’t make sense to me. I definitely can buy the Lonzo comps but SGA is an attacking guard. As a rookie he averaged 10 drives per game. He averaged one less drive per game than Kyrie. Last season he was 16 Per game. That’s good enough to put him in the top 10. I can’t track down drives per game in the NCAA but I doubt Haliburton’s number would be that high.

I don’t know about the drive metic but Haliburton played 36.7 mpg and only averaged 2 FT attempts per game with a .184 FTA rate (ft attempts / fg attempts) , SGA in college averaged 4.7 ft attempts in 33 mpg (5.0 per 36) and .464 FTA rate so that is more than enough to validate that theory imo.

Frank’s is .172

Big reason for that is when you are shooting 42% from 3 on almost 6 attempts a game, you really don't have a reason to drive to the basket as much.

[blueNorange]

knicks need a guard that can break down the defense, get to the paint, run the offense, but more importantly play off the ball for rj barrett.

lamelo is all sizzle, no steak.

[Traveyknicks23]

The ideal point guard we want is Lamelo Ball but he is out of our range and even he is still risky. Would rather have Cade Cunningham who would go #1 in this years draft and would try everything possible to get him next year.

Why is Lamelo out of our range?

[WargamesX]

Bleacher reports fantasy draft/FA is triggering me.

Trade down from Ball to Haliburton, and Jarret Culver, and take salary to do it. Somehow they get the Pacers pick but both Saddiq Bey and Patrick Williams are gone. So they take Josh Green (pacers pick they never explain how the Knicks get) and Tyler Bey (Clippers pick)

And then they trade RJ Barret and Haliburton and the 2021 Mavs pick for Russel Westbrook.

Why does the media hate us

[robillionaire]

Bleacher reports fantasy draft/FA is triggering me.

Trade down from Ball to Haliburton, and Jarret Culver, and take salary to do it. Somehow they get the Pacers pick but both Saddiq Bey and Patrick Williams are gone. So they take Josh Green (pacers pick they never explain how the Knicks get) and Tyler Bey (Clippers pick)

And then they trade RJ Barret and Haliburton and the 2021 Mavs pick for Russel Westbrook.

Why does the media hate us

I would never watch basketball again

[Worst_to_First]

The ideal point guard we want is Lamelo Ball but he is out of our range and even he is still risky. Would rather have Cade Cunningham who would go #1 in this years draft and would try everything possible to get him next year.

Am afraid this is the only draft in the near future where there is a possibility you can trade up from #6 to #1.

And there is no guard in this draft whom I am willing to trade up for.

[mpharris36]

Bleacher reports fantasy draft/FA is triggering me.

Trade down from Ball to Haliburton, and Jarret Culver, and take salary to do it. Somehow they get the Pacers pick but both Saddiq Bey and Patrick Williams are gone. So they take Josh Green (pacers pick they never explain how the Knicks get) and Tyler Bey (Clippers pick)

And then they trade RJ Barret and Haliburton and the 2021 Mavs pick for Russel Westbrook.

Why does the media hate us

So instead of Lamelo and RJ they gave us Russell Westbrook and Culver

[WargamesX]

Bleacher reports fantasy draft/FA is triggering me.

Trade down from Ball to Haliburton, and Jarret Culver, and take salary to do it. Somehow they get the Pacers pick but both Saddiq Bey and Patrick Williams are gone. So they take Josh Green (pacers pick they never explain how the Knicks get) and Tyler Bey (Clippers pick)

And then they trade RJ Barret and Haliburton and the 2021 Mavs pick for Russel Westbrook.

Why does the media hate us

So instead of Lamelo and RJ they gave us Russell Westbrook and Culver

They said our core was Westbrook, Culver, Knox, and Mitch



We gave up basically 3 years worth of picks for that core, and traded down in the draft to do this.

[Mecca]

Bleacher reports fantasy draft/FA is triggering me.

Trade down from Ball to Haliburton, and Jarret Culver, and take salary to do it. Somehow they get the Pacers pick but both Saddiq Bey and Patrick Williams are gone. So they take Josh Green (pacers pick they never explain how the Knicks get) and Tyler Bey (Clippers pick)

And then they trade RJ Barret and Haliburton and the 2021 Mavs pick for Russel Westbrook.

Why does the media hate us

So instead of Lamelo and RJ they gave us Russell Westbrook and Culver

I know people at BR. They have someone running the Knicks as a satire/joke to do a hyperbolized Isaih-Esq off-season so we can talk about them and gain attention.

[3toheadmelo]

The ideal point guard we want is Lamelo Ball but he is out of our range and even he is still risky. Would rather have Cade Cunningham who would go #1 in this years draft and would try everything possible to get him next year.

Am afraid this is the only draft in the near future where there is a possibility you can trade up from #6 to #1.

And there is no guard in this draft whom I am willing to trade up for.

Would rather try to trade up for Wiseman