2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably)

[bullsnewdynasty]

Toppin jumps out on film, I just don't like that he's 22 already, compared to the other prospects who are around 19. That's a big age difference. Also not a huge fan of taking a guy playing against questionable competition. Seeing him get mocked over Wiseman seems outrageous.

[sco]

Toppin jumps out on film, I just don't like that he's 22 already, compared to the other prospects who are around 19. That's a big age difference. Also not a huge fan of taking a guy playing against questionable competition. Seeing him get mocked over Wiseman seems outrageous.

I agree with this. The age and competition level, coupled with a defense that isn't on par with his offense would put Wiseman's ethereal potential above him in my ranking.

[CoreyVillains]

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[No-Man]

Obi Toppin is the 2nd best prospect in this class to me in a vacuum, but not sure if he is worth the trading and dealing for the Bulls, dunno, it depends on the other people available, if he is the last guy from a that tier at that point, sure

Whoa. Didn’t expect that from you. Please explain.

How come not? I mean he will limit a team's ceiling in the Playoffs due to ceiling/investment-cost, but he is def good and you could trade him for a king's ransom if you need to take the next step

I think he is going to be somewhere in the David Lee-Carlos Boozer-Amar'e Stoudemire spectrum, with more shooting ability than any of them, probably as bad on D as all of them too

He is the safest bet in this draft, and the closest to a truly elite offensive player (meaning higher than 25 usage% and 60 TS%), he is just flawed but some drafts don't have a stud, that's how it is

LaMelo is the only guy I'd worry about passing on in this class, and after him, when you value in floor, trade value, ability to contribute early on, etc, Toppin is just the obvious answer for #2

[NADROJ]

Obi Toppin is the 2nd best prospect in this class to me in a vacuum, but not sure if he is worth the trading and dealing for the Bulls, dunno, it depends on the other people available, if he is the last guy from a that tier at that point, sure

Whoa. Didn’t expect that from you. Please explain.

How come not? I mean he will limit a team's ceiling in the Playoffs due to ceiling/investment-cost, but he is def good and you could trade him for a king's ransom if you need to take the next step

I think he is going to be somewhere in the David Lee-Carlos Boozer-Amar'e Stoudemire spectrum, with more shooting ability than any of them, probably as bad on D as all of them too

He is the safest bet in this draft, and the closest to a truly elite offensive player (meaning higher than 25 usage% and 60 TS%), he is just flawed but some drafts don't have a stud, that's how it is

LaMelo is the only guy I'd worry about passing on in this class, and after him, when you value in floor, trade value, ability to contribute early on, etc, Toppin is just the obvious answer for #2

Change LaMelo to Kyrie and Toppin to Derrick Williams and all of the above works as a pre-2011 draft analysis.

[CoreyVillains]

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[Jcool0]

Whoa. Didn’t expect that from you. Please explain.

How come not? I mean he will limit a team's ceiling in the Playoffs due to ceiling/investment-cost, but he is def good and you could trade him for a king's ransom if you need to take the next step

I think he is going to be somewhere in the David Lee-Carlos Boozer-Amar'e Stoudemire spectrum, with more shooting ability than any of them, probably as bad on D as all of them too

He is the safest bet in this draft, and the closest to a truly elite offensive player (meaning higher than 25 usage% and 60 TS%), he is just flawed but some drafts don't have a stud, that's how it is

LaMelo is the only guy I'd worry about passing on in this class, and after him, when you value in floor, trade value, ability to contribute early on, etc, Toppin is just the obvious answer for #2

Change LaMelo to Kyrie and Toppin to Derrick Williams and all of the above works as a pre-2011 draft analysis.

Kyrie was 100x the prospect LaMelo is.

[No-Man]

I get the Derrick Williams comp but Toppin has way better shooting and passing flashes, while being more athletic

[kodo]

Derrick Williams failed because he was billed as a versatile scorer and he couldn't shoot (26% from 3) and he was too small to post up (6' 7").

A closer comp might be Michael Beasley who had actual shooting ability. But Toppin looks bigger than either, a 7' 4" wingspan would indicate that. He also seems to have more range than Beasley, who deliberately patterned his game after Carmelo.

His stock will hinge on his measurements, if he's small enough to get into McDermott/Williams tweener territory he'll drop but he looks significantly larger on video.

[drosereturn]

Derrick Williams failed because he was billed as a versatile scorer and he couldn't shoot (26% from 3) and he was too small to post up (6' 7").

A closer comp might be Michael Beasley who had actual shooting ability. But Toppin looks bigger than either, a 7' 4" wingspan would indicate that. He also seems to have more range than Beasley, who deliberately patterned his game after Carmelo.

His stock will hinge on his measurements, if he's small enough to get into McDermott/Williams tweener territory he'll drop but he looks significantly larger on video.

Where is the evidence he has more range than Williams or Beasley? This guy shot 39% on 1 make and 70% ft.
When guys like Lauri arent shooting 40% from deep, I dont expect lower tier players to outshoot because they certainly dont have better mechanics nor number of makes.

Not trying to bash the guy but I dont understand picking him top 3 even in a terrible draft. Has great tools but he hasnt shown in college he is a sure thing. All potential. Maybe with the number 7 pick.

[kodo]

He's (Toppin) nowhere in the top 3 in any mock I've seen. He has been mentioned a few times for the Bulls at 7.

Jaren Jackson In college averaged 1 three make per game and is currently in the NBA averaging 2.5 makes at 39.7%, with worse mechanics than Toppin. College bigs aren't expected to be volume 3 shooters. Where was the evidence of KAT becoming a 3 point shooter. What Toppin shoots from range is high for a big man his size.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Derrick Williams failed because he was billed as a versatile scorer and he couldn't shoot (26% from 3) and he was too small to post up (6' 7").

A closer comp might be Michael Beasley who had actual shooting ability. But Toppin looks bigger than either, a 7' 4" wingspan would indicate that. He also seems to have more range than Beasley, who deliberately patterned his game after Carmelo.

His stock will hinge on his measurements, if he's small enough to get into McDermott/Williams tweener territory he'll drop but he looks significantly larger on video.

Where is the evidence he has more range than Williams or Beasley? This guy shot 39% on 1 make and 70% ft.
When guys like Lauri arent shooting 40% from deep, I dont expect lower tier players to outshoot because they certainly dont have better mechanics nor number of makes.

Not trying to bash the guy but I dont understand picking him top 3 even in a terrible draft. Has great tools but he hasnt shown in college he is a sure thing. All potential. Maybe with the number 7 pick.

Who has shown more in college last year than him? There some things to not like about him, but college productivity isn't one of them. He won college player of the year. Opposite of a guy that's all protential. He has a fairly high floor, a guy that will score but may have Carlos Boozer type defense. But the wingspan gives people hope.

[TheSuzerain]

I think Killian Hayes is my guy.

If you can shoot pull up 3’s and have natural passing instincts, you’re basically a plus starter by default.

Couple that with a nice frame for a guard and perhaps some untapped physical potential, and you’ve got a nice prospect.

[Dresden]

He's (Toppin) nowhere in the top 3 in any mock I've seen. He has been mentioned a few times for the Bulls at 7.

Jaren Jackson In college averaged 1 three make per game and is currently in the NBA averaging 2.5 makes at 39.7%, with worse mechanics than Toppin. College bigs aren't expected to be volume 3 shooters. Where was the evidence of KAT becoming a 3 point shooter. What Toppin shoots from range is high for a big man his size.

He's #2 at Draftnet.

[StunnerKO]

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[Southpaw]

Wise is at 4 now? That's a huge drop.

[Andi Obst]

Wise is at 4 now? That's a huge drop.

It's still too high IMO. Same for Okongwu, even though I like him way more than Wiseman.

I'm more surprised to see Edwards at 7.

[JohnnyTapwater]

My love for Murder-Death-Killian Hayes has grown so much I now have a nickname for him.

[Chi town]

I think Killian Hayes is my guy.

If you can shoot pull up 3’s and have natural passing instincts, you’re basically a plus starter by default.

Couple that with a nice frame for a guard and perhaps some untapped physical potential, and you’ve got a nice prospect.

I think the only guys in this draft that can actually help the Bulls next season are Hayes and Haliburton. We need playmaking in the worst way.

Don't think either of them will be there at 7 tho.

[drosereturn]

Wise is at 4 now? That's a huge drop.

Still tier 1. He was always somewhere between 1-4 and if he is picked #4, its bc of teams 1-4 have a starting center, not bc of his lack of talent. The Bulls really need one of Ball, Edwards, Avidijia, Wiseman, Okongwu to significantly upgrade their roster.
Last time, I thought number 3 was the major dropoff but RJ is to be remained to be seen. Otherwise, everyone else who didnt get Morant, Zion pretty much lost out a lot.

That said if we cant get those guys rather trade down and nab Vassell and Poku at mid round. Poku is the Giannis of this draft imo.