Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[GordanFreeman]

I am utterly dumbfounded at how lopsided this is for in favor of McGreror. Do people not realize Zion is twice his size and literately a walking slab of muscle?

The larger they are the harder they fall?

[GordanFreeman]

Lets keep size similar . Keep same weight class

Put Deontay Wilder vs Zion or Ngannou vs Zion....

Zion is soft , dude would get KOd in round 1 . Just cause he is big doesnt mean he can fight . Doubt he has been in a fight his entire life

The poll would be 100% to 0% in favour of those big guys vs Zion. Why even ask? Conor vs Zion is a much more interesting question. I'd favour Conor in 7/10 fights.

[TheBullsDynasty]

As someone who does boxing, I’ll give this easily to McGregor. Assuming Zion has no prior training, he has no chance.

-Zion has 100 lbs over him, he’ll grab him and it’s over
-Zion has 100 lbs over him, he’ll land 1 punch and it’s over

Sorry folks, it just doesn’t work that way.

McGregor wouldn’t just stand there and let Zion grab him. Also, rushing towards McGregor would be a horrific idea because Zion would be opening himself up for an easy 1 hit knockout.

Even though Zion has longer arms, there is no way for him to land a single punch. McGregor can just put his hands behind his back, and easily dodge Zion’s punches with just his head movement. That’s how easy it would be. Some of you don’t realize how fast pro fighters move and how quick their reflexes are.

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Then there is also the mindset aspect. When a normal person is in a fight, their brain goes into fight or flight mode and people start to panic. Just go in to a boxing or mma gym and watch people sparring for the first time and how scared they are. Now think you’re fighting against a pro fighter like McGregor. So for those of you saying, Zion just grabs him or lands a single punch... Yeah, good luck with that.

Smartest thing for Zion would be to play defensive but even then McGregor would find some sort of an opening by taking advantage of angles and Zion’s wrong footwork. At least Zion can last longer than a minute though so it’s still better than attacking McGregor where he would get KO’d immediately.

Edit: Couldn’t find this at first, but this is basically what would happen if Zion tried to punch McGregor. Except McGregor would punch back of course and KO Zion.

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[mtron929]

IF Zion had a basic concept of grappling it might not be so bad for him. But standing up he'd get picked apart. And with no training he wouldn't know what to do on the ground even if he got Conor there.

Yeah, i don't know why people act like this would end up being some sort of strategical stand up sparring contest or something... Zion doesn't have the expertise to outfight McGregor on a technical level. His best bet would be just to charge at him (while hoping he doesn't catch a critical blow in the process) and hug slam McGregor to the back alley concrete full force (which is a teeny bit different than landing on a UFC type canvas/mat) and then just wail at Conor while down and use his massive weight advantage as leverage so Conor can't out-wrestle him and gain good positioning on the ground. Just go all out and hope you do enough damage before tiring out.

I see too many people looking at this from a scope of a 'professional' match or something. I know MMA is a pretty liberal form of fighting in terms of what you can get away with, but there's still some basic rules that apply. Street fights have no code, you can punch or kick someone in the nuts, pull at their clothes for leverage, you can use objects in your vicinity to your advantage and like i said before, the ground you fight on probably won't be a nice padded bouncy canvas that was made to absorb contact but a rough, maybe even razor sharp hard concrete (worst case scenario is there's also glass on the ground or a sidewalk you can get your head split on) so slamming someone's body on the ground in those conditions is like exponentially worse and more likely to result in a serious injury than doing it in a professional fight.

So now the question is, what can McGregor do to avoid this when Zion, with his 6'6'', 290 pound frame, starts charging towards him? Maybe he can slip his way out of his grip just long enough to land enough precision shots to his body to the point where Zion is critically wounded. And since Zion, i suspect, isn't exactly the the most versed at protecting himself from these blows, as he isn't a professional fighter, it's entirely possible that's what happens. But if that doesn't happen, and Zion somehow gets a hold of Conor, i don't see how Conor can avoid getting slammed. I'm sure he could apply certain techniques to make it challenging for Zion to grab/lift/throw him on his head, in that order, but at what point does a 100-pound difference come in play in this case? I don't know. I haven't actually been body slammed by someone bigger and 100 pounds heavier than me yet, while trying to prevent that, but then again, i'm also not a professional fighter, so maybe there's something you can do to circumvent the heavier dude just using his pure unadulterated weight advantage and leverage that to his benefit.

But yeah, that's about the extent of Zion's chances. Pretty sure if he tries making it a punching/kicking match he loses, obviously. Even in a straight up grappling match i don't see him doing well. He'd need to do serious damage to Conor before getting him on the ground (like with a slam, probably his best option) and then use the fact that Conor is hurt and not properly set up to deliver the finishing blows en route to a knock out. If Conor can avoid getting hurt by a slam, and get into proper position to use his grappling then Zion probably gets outskilled and eventually put in a choke or just eats too many arms/knees to the face.

I would argue that Zion would be so **** scared of fighting McGregor that he would be very passive and unlikely will charge towards him. Basically, mentally he would be defeated before the fight even starts. McGregor would be much more comfortable given that he basically fights for a living and has probably sparred with big guys on multiple occasions.

[pesfan321]

I am astonished at the amount of votes for Zion and some of the posts in the thread. Are NBA fans this uneducated?

[pesfan321]

Im curious for those who think Zion could just pick him up and slam him to win. When does he lose that advantage.

155lb champ: Khabib, walks around at 190 pounds (wrestler)
170lb champ: Usman, walks around at 190+ pounds (wrestler)
185lb champ: Israel, walks around at 200+ pounds (kick boxer)
205lb champ: Jon Jones, walks around at 230 pounds (overall fighter really)
HW champ: Stipe, fights anywhere from 230-240 pounds (boxer)

For reference, Conor was the 145 champ and the 155 champ. He has fought at 170 3 times (including his last fight a few months ago) and walks around 175-180 pounds. Just curious when the size advantage that Zion has goes away and when does he lose the ability to just manhandle a fighter.

Khabib would literally kill him. While McGregor might be a little playful, Khabib WILL go for the throat! The guy wrestled actual bears as a kid!

[cdubbz]

What if Zion does a flying jump attack?

Imagine a 6’6 285 cannon ball coming at you from the sky? Even a flying leg kick. Zions force would send McGregor through some sort alternate dimension.

[GordanFreeman]

One thing ppl seem to be forgetting is that they'll be fighting on concrete. Bjj on concrete is not fun especially when you're on the bottom. Hitting any part of your body on concrete obviously hurts like a mofo and the chances of breaking a bone increase dramatically vs being on a mat or in the octagon.

[rugbyrugger23]

I think there's about a zero percent chance that McGregor wins a back alley fight with a pro athlete literally twice as heavy as him. They have weight classes in UFC for a reason.

You have no idea how lethal these MMA fighters are. None.

Search: The Destruction of Monsters in MMA. Or many of Royce Gracie fights he takes down much bigger guys.

A trained fighter always has the advantage. Will he win every time? No, out of 10 fights maybe the bigger guy (Zion) lands a lucky punch or submissive hold (if he knows any). But that is a 1 out of 10 chance.

[Triples333]

As someone who does boxing, I’ll give this easily to McGregor. Assuming Zion has no prior training, he has no chance.

-Zion has 100 lbs over him, he’ll grab him and it’s over
-Zion has 100 lbs over him, he’ll land 1 punch and it’s over

Sorry folks, it just doesn’t work that way.

McGregor wouldn’t just stand there and let Zion grab him. Also, rushing towards McGregor would be a horrific idea because Zion would be opening himself up for an easy 1 hit knockout.

Even though Zion has longer arms, there is no way for him to land a single punch. McGregor can just put his hands behind his back, and easily dodge Zion’s punches with just his head movement. That’s how easy it would be. Some of you don’t realize how fast pro fighters move and how quick their reflexes are.

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Then there is also the mindset aspect. When a normal person is in a fight, their brain goes into fight or flight mode and people start to panic. Just go in to a boxing or mma gym and watch people sparring for the first time and how scared they are. Now think you’re fighting against a pro fighter like McGregor. So for those of you saying, Zion just grabs him or lands a single punch... Yeah, good luck with that.

Smartest thing for Zion would be to play defensive but even then McGregor would find some sort of an opening by taking advantage of angles and Zion’s wrong footwork. At least Zion can last longer than a minute though so it’s still better than attacking McGregor where he would get KO’d immediately.

Edit: Couldn’t find this at first, but this is basically what would happen if Zion tried to punch McGregor. Except McGregor would punch back of course and KO Zion.

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Exactly. And the best of the best can bob and weave against other pro fighters. Most people truly don't understand what a skill professional boxing/wrestling/martial arts are. If you're a big guy and want to be humbled VERY quick, go join a BJJ academy and challenge the smallest guy in the gym. You'll be a pretzel crying for help in 30 seconds.

[GregOden]

Lol Pure Size will always matter in a street fight .

And 9/10 multiple people are present at a street fight .. Connor would never be allowed to put Zion in any type of arm bar without someone stepping in

Really? So a bunch of obese drunks in a bar bum rushing Mike Tyson would win? Makes perfect sense.

[Bigfactsstackz]

Lol Pure Size will always matter in a street fight .

And 9/10 multiple people are present at a street fight .. Connor would never be allowed to put Zion in any type of arm bar without someone stepping in

Really? So a bunch of obese drunks in a bar bum rushing Mike Tyson would win? Makes perfect sense.

Mike Tyson is much larger then Connor and brings punching power that could stop anyone ..Stop it

[limbo]

As someone who does boxing, I’ll give this easily to McGregor. Assuming Zion has no prior training, he has no chance.

-Zion has 100 lbs over him, he’ll grab him and it’s over
-Zion has 100 lbs over him, he’ll land 1 punch and it’s over

Sorry folks, it just doesn’t work that way.

McGregor wouldn’t just stand there and let Zion grab him. Also, rushing towards McGregor would be a horrific idea because Zion would be opening himself up for an easy 1 hit knockout.

Even though Zion has longer arms, there is no way for him to land a single punch. McGregor can just put his hands behind his back, and easily dodge Zion’s punches with just his head movement. That’s how easy it would be. Some of you don’t realize how fast pro fighters move and how quick their reflexes are.

Rushing towards McGregor is actually the best idea for Zion. Is there a risk of getting 1 punch KO'd? Sure. But what are his other options? He's not going to win standing up and sparring with Conor...The absolute best play for Zion is just to bum rush McGregor so he can't get any punches/kicks in early to wobble Zion or psyche him out, and use his weight to throw Conor on the concrete and then just wail at his head or something.

That's actually the only way he wins a fight, and it's actually not a hard strategy to execute. Zion may not be a professional fighter, but he's arguably the best athlete on the planet in terms of mobility/explosiveness at his weight... He's not an average Joe... dude is a much better athlete than McGregor.

You're severely underestimating what kind of physical freak Zion is... I don't think there's anything McGregor can do to prevent Zion from grabbing him other than try and knock him out before he does it, and that window is short and more difficult than you're painting it. Of course Conor wouldn't just 'let' him grab him', but it's not like Zion isn't a freak athlete... People comparing Zion to those early UFC weightless fighters that were big and heavy but still lost the fight are ridiculous... Those guys were slow and stiff as hell. It easy to just strafe around those guys until they just tire themselves out... You can't strafe away from someone like Zion. Dude is an outlier athlete in one of the most athletic sports in the World...

Also, let's also not forget Zion is way taller than Conor. Like, Conor would have to be punching 25 cm vertically from where his head is to try and hit Zion's head. It's harder to land clear punches on guys that are taller than you.

Now, that's not me saying Conor doesn't have a chance. In fact, because he's a professionally trained elite fighter, he has way tools at his disposal to neutralize Zion and win the fight. But that doesn't mean it would be impossible for Zion to win.

[eminence]

Almost certainly McGregor, but anybody who thinks it's 100-0 has never been in a street brawl of any type. #1 best option is always to not be in one. Slip on some beer, stumble on a rock, just be in a spot where the opponent can pick up a weapon and you don't have anything in reach, way easier to die than you'd like even for a pro fighter.

[EAS Law]

The technical advantage and quickness advantage of CM would probably result in a win. Zion is massive compared to him and I’m sure immensely stronger, but that doesn’t matter in MMA or kickboxing or whatever.

An average person, Zion wins 10/10 times. Even a decent fighter, Zion probably wins. A professional fighter that has submission training and whatever else is probably going to beat someone who does not fight professionally every time barring some major stroke of luck like a wild swing that connects.

[limbo]

Almost certainly McGregor, but anybody who thinks it's 100-0 has never been in a street brawl of any type. #1 best option is always to not be in one. Slip on some beer, stumble on a rock, just be in a spot where the opponent can pick up a weapon and you don't have anything in reach, way easier to die than you'd like even for a pro fighter.

Do you think McGregor can knock Zion out before Zion can rush him down, pick him up and throw him on the concrete, then use his 50kg advantage on the ground? I don't care how good of a fighter Conor is, when a bigger, more athletic dude that's also 50 kg heavier than you is laying on top of you on the ground... let's just say it's not easy to exert your will in that position, regardless of how technically sound you are at wrestling.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

A 170 lb man would be thrown around like a rag doll by a 270 lb man.

10-15 lbs is enough to swing a fight, this isn't close. The 170lb guy probably couldn't even knock the 270 lb man out. It's just too much of a difference.

The 170 lb man would have no force on his punches, even if they connect perfect. Sorry to burst bubbles.

[limbo]

The technical advantage and quickness advantage of CM would probably result in a win. Zion is massive compared to him and I’m sure immensely stronger, but that doesn’t matter in MMA or kickboxing or whatever.

An average person, Zion wins 10/10 times. Even a decent fighter, Zion probably wins. A professional fighter that has submission training and whatever else is probably going to beat someone who does not fight professionally every time barring some major stroke of luck like a wild swing that connects.

It's not an MMA/Kickboxing fight... why would you assume it would be?

Zion is rushing at Conor and throwing him on the ground... This all happens in mere seconds... Probably the only counter McGregor has against this is just knocking Zion out before he grabs him. It's possible, since McGregor knows exactly how to take advantage of these types of split second windows... but i also wouldn't assume it as automatic... And like i said eariler, it's harder to knock out taller guys than yourself because it's harder to reach their head.

[eminence]

Almost certainly McGregor, but anybody who thinks it's 100-0 has never been in a street brawl of any type. #1 best option is always to not be in one. Slip on some beer, stumble on a rock, just be in a spot where the opponent can pick up a weapon and you don't have anything in reach, way easier to die than you'd like even for a pro fighter.

Do you think McGregor can knock Zion out before Zion can rush him down, pick him up and throw him on the concrete, then use his 50kg advantage on the ground? I don't care how good of a fighter Conor is, when a bigger, more athletic dude that's also 50 kg heavier than you is laying on top of you on the ground... let's just say it's not easy to exert your will in that position, regardless of how technically sound you are at wrestling.

He doesn't need to knock Zion out, he needs to hit Zion's pain capacity/break his focus. MMA is very limited in terms of outlawing some of the 'dirtier' fighting moves that are effective in this regard. A thumb jab to the eye or a knee to the nuts is going to make anyone very very sad.

[Papi_swav]

How the heck does anybody have McGregor beating Zion? and it's 100 for Conor and 37 for Zion at the moment. Zion is literally double the size of Conor. Conor has no chance. He's a great fighter but come on, Zion would just yoke him up and toss him around like a baby. He probably benches 180 with one arm. This isnt even a fair fight.