Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[TheBullsDynasty]

As someone who does boxing, I’ll give this easily to McGregor. Assuming Zion has no prior training, he has no chance.

-Zion has 100 lbs over him, he’ll grab him and it’s over
-Zion has 100 lbs over him, he’ll land 1 punch and it’s over

Sorry folks, it just doesn’t work that way.

McGregor wouldn’t just stand there and let Zion grab him. Also, rushing towards McGregor would be a horrific idea because Zion would be opening himself up for an easy 1 hit knockout.

Even though Zion has longer arms, there is no way for him to land a single punch. McGregor can just put his hands behind his back, and easily dodge Zion’s punches with just his head movement. That’s how easy it would be. Some of you don’t realize how fast pro fighters move and how quick their reflexes are.

Rushing towards McGregor is actually the best idea for Zion. Is there a risk of getting 1 punch KO'd? Sure. But what are his other options? He's not going to win standing up and sparring with Conor...The absolute best play for Zion is just to bum rush McGregor so he can't get any punches/kicks in early to wobble Zion or psyche him out, and use his weight to throw Conor on the concrete and then just wail at his head or something.

That's actually the only way he wins a fight, and it's actually not a hard strategy to execute. Zion may not be a professional fighter, but he's arguably the best athlete on the planet in terms of mobility/explosiveness at his weight... He's not an average Joe... dude is a much better athlete than McGregor.

You're severely underestimating what kind of physical freak Zion is... I don't think there's anything McGregor can do to prevent Zion from grabbing him other than try and knock him out before he does it, and that window is short and more difficult than you're painting it. Of course Conor wouldn't just 'let' him grab him', but it's not like Zion isn't a freak athlete... People comparing Zion to those early UFC weightless fighters that were big and heavy but still lost the fight are ridiculous... Those guys were slow and stiff as hell. It easy to just strafe around those guys until they just tire themselves out... You can't strafe away from someone like Zion. Dude is an outlier athlete in one of the most athletic sports in the World...

Also, let's also not forget Zion is way taller than Conor. Like, Conor would have to be punching 25 cm vertically from where his head is to try and hit Zion's head. It's harder to land clear punches on guys that are taller than you.

Now, that's not me saying Conor doesn't have a chance. In fact, because he's a professionally trained elite fighter, he has way tools at his disposal to neutralize Zion and win the fight. But that doesn't mean it would be impossible for Zion to win.

Maybe against a boxer but not against an MMA fighter. One easy dodge followed by a kick to Zion’s knee and Zion is on the ground, unable to get up.

Any notion if Zion grabbing McGregor and slamming him to the ground is just wishful thinking and not realistic at all. Freak athlete or not fighting is a different world and an untrained person has no chance against a trained, pro fighter.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

There is virtually no instance where this is a fair fight. Even if this goes to the ground the 170 lb guy couldn't stop the 270 lb man from getting up. He's too light.

Conversely, that only works one way. If the 270 lb man falls on the 170 lb guy, it's fight over.

It would be like a grown man picking a fight with a fifth grader.

[limbo]

He doesn't need to knock Zion out, he needs to hit Zion's pain capacity/break his focus. MMA is very limited in terms of outlawing some of the 'dirtier' fighting moves that are effective in this regard. A thumb jab to the eye or a knee to the nuts is going to make anyone very very sad.

Okay, and what is the time window and opportunity rate for McGregor to do that, from when Zion is a couple feet away from him and starts charging, to when Zion grabs him. A couple of seconds and one or maybe two hits in?

It's not impossible, but on a bounce of probability (and excluding randomness as much as possible - i know that in streets fights there's always a chance random things happend, but for the sake of argument let's say there's zero significant outside interference or stuff like Zion slipping on a beer bottle mid-charge) how many times do you think Conor executes that and how many times do you think Zion can get a successful slam off?

[NO-KG-AI]

Im curious for those who think Zion could just pick him up and slam him to win. When does he lose that advantage.

155lb champ: Khabib, walks around at 190 pounds (wrestler)
170lb champ: Usman, walks around at 190+ pounds (wrestler)
185lb champ: Israel, walks around at 200+ pounds (kick boxer)
205lb champ: Jon Jones, walks around at 230 pounds (overall fighter really)
HW champ: Stipe, fights anywhere from 230-240 pounds (boxer)

For reference, Conor was the 145 champ and the 155 champ. He has fought at 170 3 times (including his last fight a few months ago) and walks around 175-180 pounds. Just curious when the size advantage that Zion has goes away and when does he lose the ability to just manhandle a fighter.

It's funny, because we saw Conor and the mountain light sparring, and while they were obviously pulling punches, it was hilarious watching Thor try to grab a leg, or pick Conor up, when he obviously couldn't do it, because he has no clue what he's doing

I love this idea that big guys can just pick everyone up and slam them, it basically never comes to fruition lmao.

[eminence]

He doesn't need to knock Zion out, he needs to hit Zion's pain capacity/break his focus. MMA is very limited in terms of outlawing some of the 'dirtier' fighting moves that are effective in this regard. A thumb jab to the eye or a knee to the nuts is going to make anyone very very sad.

Okay, and what is the time window and opportunity rate for McGregor to do that, from when Zion is a couple feet away from him and starts charging, to when Zion grabs him. A couple of seconds and one or maybe two hits in?

It's not impossible, but on a bounce of probability (and excluding randomness as much as possible - i know that in streets fights there's always a chance random things happend, but for the sake of argument let's say there's zero significant outside interference or stuff like Zion slipping on a beer bottle mid-charge) how many times do you think Conor executes that and how many times do you think Zion can get a successful slam off?

Well well under a second once Zion initiates. Conor would also certainly looking be to strike first as well though (and I would expect him to do so more quickly based off the training level of each).

I will say the talks of landing some knee kick on a driving Zion is beyond ridiculous to even attempt. Face/Throat are the places vs an inexperienced fighter.

[Gnik]

Lmao one gut punch and Zion would be flailing all over the place, one to the liver and it would be just so bad and hard to watch. Ya'll realize that professional fighters actually have their guts hit in training for pain tolerance combined with training to avoid attacks? Can Zion actually avoid these attacks from a professional fighter? As big as he is? Can a basketball player tolerate the pain of being hit in the gut? lmao.

You pit one of the best precision strikers in the UFC for this. You matched him with grapplers with subpar striking and maybe Zion won't go out so so bad. Even then you have grapplers like Khabib who grapples with actual bears. There's a reason Zion is in basketball and McGregor was a UFC champion.

[SearsTower]

This thread is honestly embarrassing. McGregor fans are on par with Kobe and Iverson fans in their complete and utter delusion. Zion would absolutely manhandle McGregor lol. Stop it. Just...stop.

[SearsTower]

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[Drakeem]

You can tell who only watches basketball and who expands their sports horizons in this thread alone. Having large muscles doesn't mean your brain isn't going to turn to mush when someone throws an accurate hammer first.

Thank god someone realizes it. It doesn't matter if Zion is stronger when Conor won't let him connect. If Zion just bull rushes him, he'll take him down and break limbs. Thread is borderline embarrassing of some of these posters.

[NO-KG-AI]

Also, Conor McGregor is a BJJ brown belt. People think he's not good at grappling because he's not as good as someone like Khabib, but he'd look like a god to people that don't roll, no matter how big they are.

I think a lot of people in this thread need to go watch the openweight UFC tournaments.

[Duke4life831]

This thread is honestly embarrassing. McGregor fans are on par with Kobe and Iverson fans in their complete and utter delusion. Zion would absolutely manhandle McGregor lol. Stop it. Just...stop.

Okay I'll ask you this then. At what weight does Zion no longer be able to manhandle a UFC champion.

155lb champ: Khabib, walks around at 190 pounds (wrestler)
170lb champ: Usman, walks around at 190+ pounds (wrestler)
185lb champ: Israel, walks around at 200+ pounds (kick boxer)
205lb champ: Jon Jones, walks around at 230 pounds (overall fighter really)
HW champ: Stipe, fights anywhere from 230-240 pounds (boxer)

[NO-KG-AI]

They could line up NBA plaayers, and Khabib would maul them in grappling one after the other, the question is, how many dozens could he tap out before he got too tired?

[NO-KG-AI]

This thread is honestly embarrassing. McGregor fans are on par with Kobe and Iverson fans in their complete and utter delusion. Zion would absolutely manhandle McGregor lol. Stop it. Just...stop.

You can tell who has never trained.

[NO-KG-AI]

Also, I hate break you guys hearts, but there are far more guys that are way beneath Conor McGregor, guys that wouldn't get a look from the UFC, that could tie guys like Zion up and make them feel like they are drowning and helpless. You guys really need to go step into a legitimate MMA gym, and take whatever one of your big, athletic friends so you can all get humbled, lmao.

[Duke4life831]

Also, Conor McGregor is a BJJ brown belt. People think he's not good at grappling because he's not as good as someone like Khabib, but he'd look like a god to people that don't roll, no matter how big they are.

I think a lot of people in this thread need to go watch the openweight UFC tournaments.

Seriously this. People have no clue what a Brown belt would do to someone that has never trained. Conor has been training BJJ and wrestling for over a decade now.

Go into a random BJJ gym and ask to roll with a 140 pound purple belt and you'd be tapping within a minute.

[BobanSmash]

Based on the results 28% on the general board think that WWE is real

[gavran]

Zion in a fight, Conor in a dunk contest.

[eminence]

Ground game has become overrated with the rise of MMA though. Very very bad idea in anything resembling a street brawl, any schmuck can kick you in the head when you're on the ground.

[limbo]

Maybe against a boxer but not against an MMA fighter. One easy dodge followed by a kick to Zion’s knee and Zion is on the ground, unable to get up.

An entirely plausible scenario, sure. Though, even if we know that a professional fighter can theoretically incapacitate a non-professional with one single well-placed blow... i don't know if that means we should assume this scenario has a 100% replication rate, or even anywhere close to that... There's just too many variables going to go down in a fight like this to assume McGregor can just effortlessly dodge a charge of an elite athlete while simultaneously execute one kick into a moving target's knee with pin-point position that completely puts the opponent out of commission...

Any notion if Zion grabbing McGregor and slamming him to the ground is just wishful thinking and not realistic at all. Freak athlete or not fighting is a different world and an untrained person has no chance against a trained, pro fighter.

Yeah, this notion that a 6'6'', 290-pound outlier athlete couldn't even touch McGregor just because he's a professional fighter that can dance around a bit while throwing punches is absurd... Not saying Zion wouldn't get hit trying to do so, but this notion that he gets incapacitated 10 out of 10 times with one or two moves before he could even get in contact with McGregor is too much...

[GregOden]

Lol Pure Size will always matter in a street fight .

And 9/10 multiple people are present at a street fight .. Connor would never be allowed to put Zion in any type of arm bar without someone stepping in

Really? So a bunch of obese drunks in a bar bum rushing Mike Tyson would win? Makes perfect sense.

Mike Tyson is much larger then Connor and brings punching power that could stop anyone ..Stop it

Moving the goalpost is a logical fallacy.