Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I’m a very big MMA fan, but Conor is like half his size. Zion would get his hands on him and it’d be over. It’s not like Conor could knock out someone as big or strong as Zion either. Not even close

This is like thinking Joel Embiid could beat Ngannou in a fight.




I also fail to see how Zion having a strong upper body means he has the ability to take a punch

[Gnik]

An oblique kick would destroy Zion's career lmao either people are just trolling or straight up clueless about combat sports

[Dollop]

You could literally tie Mcgregors hands behind his back and give Zion a pike axe (built with modern tech of titanium and silver with a poisoned uranium blade) and Zion would be incapacitated in under 10 seconds.

[chitownsalesmen]

I’m a very big MMA fan, but Conor is like half his size. Zion would get his hands on him and it’d be over. It’s not like Conor could knock out someone as big or strong as Zion either. Not even close

This is like thinking Joel Embiid could beat Ngannou in a fight.




I also fail to see how Zion having a strong upper body means he has the ability to take a punch

Past a certain point no-one has the ability to take a punch, if you get wacked by almost any heavy weight fighter/boxer your probably going night-night. Sure a fellow heavy weight would have a larger head, stronger neck etc to support their head to slightly mitigate a power hit but its not as big of a deal as the force of a power hitter(like McGregor who is insanely powerful) lining up a clean hit on someones head.

Zion is theoretical a great MMA prospect but this is like saying Zion would be a great NFL player on week one next year with no sport specific training, in other words its completely asinine.

[chitownsalesmen]

Yeah, except the 6"6 guy is world class athlete and 270 lbs. So he's got size, reach...basically every advantage.

Except for Technic, experience, training, and everything that makes him one of the great fighters of his era.

[koningcosmo]

anyone who thinks zion can just pick him up and slam him havent watched any mma or fighting sports. 2 things will/can happen, McGregor sees it coming way before zion realises he **** up and gets hit in the face instant KO or McGregor will just dodge, tire zion out, jab him in the stomach a couple of times a couple of low kicks, then Zion will be tired and he will go in for the kill.

Lets say Zion could actually grab him, wouldnt McGregor go for the immediate submission, i bet he has him locked in before zion can even throw him as zion isnt trained to block/counter submission.

People saying "McGregor wasnt trained for some like zion" wel zion isnt trained to land punches so ill bet ya 100/100 he cant throw a better punch then someone who is a professional fighter no matter how much muscle or weight difference. Muscle doesnt equal strenght, this might be the biggest misconception in sports ever. Bigger muscles just mean you trained more hyperbolic, meaning you created more damage to the muscle wich leads to more muscle repair/tissue, which makes your muscle bigger, not stronger.

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anyone who thinks zion can just pick him up and slam him havent watched any mma or fighting sports. 2 things will/can happen, McGregor sees it coming way before zion realises he **** up and gets hit in the face instant KO or McGregor will just dodge, tire zion out, jab him in the stomach a couple of times a couple of low kicks, then Zion will be tired and he will go in for the kill.

Lets say Zion could actually grab him, wouldnt McGregor go for the immediate submission, i bet he has him locked in before zion can even throw him as zion isnt trained to block/counter submission.

People saying "McGregor wasnt trained for some like zion" wel zion isnt trained to land punches so ill bet ya 100/100 he cant throw a better punch then someone who is a professional fighter no matter how much muscle or weight difference. Muscle doesnt equal strenght, this might be the biggest misconception in sports ever. Bigger muscles just mean you trained more hyperbolic, meaning you created more damage to the muscle wich leads to more muscle repair/tissue, which makes your muscle bigger, not stronger.

Lmao. Let me ask you this then. What if instead of Zion, we had 20-year old Shaq in there? Would that make a difference for you?

[HeartBreakKid]

Just to put things in perspective, the first non-trial class I ever took in MMA I did a Jiu Jitsu class (or perhaps it was wrestling). I was already an adult, 19-20 years old, I wrestled with someone who was 13 years old and much smaller than me. He totally threw me around. The difference in physical between a 19 year old and a normal 13 year old is probably larger than an NBA athlete vs a 5'10, 180 pound athlete. Again, he was in middle school and I was in college - I was slim back then, but I'm still very much a normal sized person, roughly a bit larger in frame than Conor McGregor (who is probably 180 pounds when he's not dieting).

Also, the first time I sparred I couldn't land a hit on the guy I was sparring with. And in turn, I have sparred with many people, including those who have some training who can't land a hit on me. And I still can't land hits on other guys. Someone who has never threw a punch before will have a very hard time getting a good hit - wailing punches are not effective even with a good size difference, and is more likely going to lead to a broken hand for Zion than a knock out punch.

Someone who is trained vs someone who is untrained is like a guy with a gun going against a caveman. It really feels like one guy is just using primitive weapons. Not everyone who trains is a good fighter though, but McGregor is a professional, and a top one at that.

I’m a very big MMA fan, but Conor is like half his size. Zion would get his hands on him and it’d be over. It’s not like Conor could knock out someone as big or strong as Zion either. Not even close

He definitely could knock someone out that size. He has legitimate knockout power, he isn't just knocking guys out because they're small.

Chin and liver don't correlate that well with size in terms of damage that can be taken. If a legitimately small man like Manny Pacqiao gave someone like Kawhi Leonard a hook to the jaw or the liver, Leonard is going down easy.

[swyftdahoe]

lol wtf? Zion's got about a 0.5% puncher's chance if anything.

That said, give Zion a solid 6 months of training and he might be quite formidable against smaller professional fighters. Teach him how to check kicks, some basic stand-up and fundamental bjj. He'd probably learn how to do a pretty mean double quite fast. I'd bank on his freakish once-in-an-ever athleticism and explosiveness to make up the rest of his deficit in skill.

[speedfiend]

anyone who thinks zion can just pick him up and slam him havent watched any mma or fighting sports. 2 things will/can happen, McGregor sees it coming way before zion realises he **** up and gets hit in the face instant KO or McGregor will just dodge, tire zion out, jab him in the stomach a couple of times a couple of low kicks, then Zion will be tired and he will go in for the kill.

Lets say Zion could actually grab him, wouldnt McGregor go for the immediate submission, i bet he has him locked in before zion can even throw him as zion isnt trained to block/counter submission.

People saying "McGregor wasnt trained for some like zion" wel zion isnt trained to land punches so ill bet ya 100/100 he cant throw a better punch then someone who is a professional fighter no matter how much muscle or weight difference. Muscle doesnt equal strenght, this might be the biggest misconception in sports ever. Bigger muscles just mean you trained more hyperbolic, meaning you created more damage to the muscle wich leads to more muscle repair/tissue, which makes your muscle bigger, not stronger.

Lmao. Let me ask you this then. What if instead of Zion, we had 20-year old Shaq in there? Would that make a difference for you?

Not really, fighters train constantly to put all their weight and momentum into their punches & kicks, and CM has been doing this day in and day out for decades. CM put a punch or kick anywhere on young Shaq or Zion's limb or torso, the pain would be above the threshold most normal person can handle, and that part of the body would instantly go limp.

Discovery channel had a show in the past where they calculated the amount of power a pro boxer can generate from their punches, and trust me it's not something a normal person would want to experience.

[ThumbsUpBaby]

anyone who thinks zion can just pick him up and slam him havent watched any mma or fighting sports. 2 things will/can happen, McGregor sees it coming way before zion realises he **** up and gets hit in the face instant KO or McGregor will just dodge, tire zion out, jab him in the stomach a couple of times a couple of low kicks, then Zion will be tired and he will go in for the kill.

Lets say Zion could actually grab him, wouldnt McGregor go for the immediate submission, i bet he has him locked in before zion can even throw him as zion isnt trained to block/counter submission.

People saying "McGregor wasnt trained for some like zion" wel zion isnt trained to land punches so ill bet ya 100/100 he cant throw a better punch then someone who is a professional fighter no matter how much muscle or weight difference. Muscle doesnt equal strenght, this might be the biggest misconception in sports ever. Bigger muscles just mean you trained more hyperbolic, meaning you created more damage to the muscle wich leads to more muscle repair/tissue, which makes your muscle bigger, not stronger.

Lmao. Let me ask you this then. What if instead of Zion, we had 20-year old Shaq in there? Would that make a difference for you?

Shaq has experience with the ground game (wrestling for example). I'm 100% sure Shaq has a far superior chance than Zion.

This is assuming that Zion has never practiced MMA, martial arts, or any thing that has to do with combat sports.

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Not really, fighters train constantly to put all their weight and momentum into their punches & kicks, and CM has been doing this day in and day out for decades. CM put a punch or kick anywhere on young Shaq or Zion's limb or torso, the pain would be above the threshold most normal person can handle, and that part of the body would instantly go limp.

Discovery channel had a show in the past where they calculated the amount of power a pro boxer can generate from their punches, and trust me it's not something a normal person would want to experience.

So being bigger/heavier/more atheletic has no effect against a professional figther in your opinion? No matter the difference?

Again, i'm not saying McGregor couldn't knock a Zion/Shaq out theoretically. He obviously would know how to do thay much better than Zion/Shaq, and thus could definitely win the fight, probably in more ways and is a safer overall bet. I'm just puzzled by the fact people think guys like Shaq and Zion, absolutel outlier physical specimen, be completely helpless in a street brawl. Like i said, these guys don't need to engage in sparring. If a young Shaq grabs Conor, how is he avoiding getting slammed to the hard concrete and being laid on by someone 50kg heavier with a much larger frame... You really think it's much essier for Conor to knock or critically injure Shaq/Zion before that happens, which would likely need to happen by delivering one or two blows, because i don't see how it's humanly possible for Conor to not get touched by a 6'6" atheletic monster coming at him.

And no, that linebacker getting KO'd doesn't prove anything. If Conor got a head start and clean shots at someone of course he's liable to knock anyone out... The point is that Zion agresses onto him before McGregor get free unprepared shots at his head.

[limbo]

Also, punching power scales with weight classes.
Getting punched by a lightweight or heavyweight is a BIG difference. There's a reason you see far less KO's in lower weight divisions (especially one/two punch KO's) and that's because those guys usually can't generate enough power to knock someone out from the jump... they usually need to weedle them down by punching them for at least a round to hurt them enough to where their legs/mind gives up... Now of course, Conor is a bit of an anomaly in this sense, since his striking is an outlier in his division in terms of power/KO ability, meaning it would likely scale up to some degree, but Conor also doesn't try to knock out 6'6", 290 athletic freaks regulary, who would only give him like a swing or two in before grabbing him.

But maybe Zion had a glass chin, who knows.

[koningcosmo]

anyone who thinks zion can just pick him up and slam him havent watched any mma or fighting sports. 2 things will/can happen, McGregor sees it coming way before zion realises he **** up and gets hit in the face instant KO or McGregor will just dodge, tire zion out, jab him in the stomach a couple of times a couple of low kicks, then Zion will be tired and he will go in for the kill.

Lets say Zion could actually grab him, wouldnt McGregor go for the immediate submission, i bet he has him locked in before zion can even throw him as zion isnt trained to block/counter submission.

People saying "McGregor wasnt trained for some like zion" wel zion isnt trained to land punches so ill bet ya 100/100 he cant throw a better punch then someone who is a professional fighter no matter how much muscle or weight difference. Muscle doesnt equal strenght, this might be the biggest misconception in sports ever. Bigger muscles just mean you trained more hyperbolic, meaning you created more damage to the muscle wich leads to more muscle repair/tissue, which makes your muscle bigger, not stronger.

Lmao. Let me ask you this then. What if instead of Zion, we had 20-year old Shaq in there? Would that make a difference for you?

its the same concept, you actually think McGregor is just lettin shaq/zion pick him up? Its not like McGregor already lands 10 punches to the face before slow ass shaq can even react.

maybe watch the vid someone posted in here, were the mountain from game of thrones couldnt even grap mcgregor and when he did mcgregor used technique to keep distance and not allowing him to pick him up. Now if you think Zion/shaq is stronger and bigger then that guy keep op dreamin.

https://images.app.goo.gl/AgWdUZ53fm3G5aKE9 see what he does in this picture the moment the big stronger guy who should own him wants to grab him? he nulliefies it keeping distance, with that distance from bjornsson body/weight point even he cant lift up mcgregor since its physically impossible because physics, but yeah Zion and 20 year old shaq could totally do it.

[koningcosmo]

Also, punching power scales with weight classes.
Getting punched by a lightweight or heavyweight is a BIG difference. There's a reason you see far less KO's in lower weight divisions (especially one/two punch KO's) and that's because those guys usually can't generate enough power to knock someone out from the jump... they usually need to weedle them down by punching them for at least a round to hurt them enough to where their legs/mind gives up... Now of course, Conor is a bit of an anomaly in this sense, since his striking is an outlier in his division in terms of power/KO ability, meaning it would likely scale up to some degree, but Conor also doesn't try to knock out 6'6", 290 athletic freaks regulary, who would only give him like a swing or two in before grabbing him.

But maybe Zion had a glass chin, who knows.

yeah because zion has trained his whole life for punching and not basketball so he can throw a punch like a heavyweight. Thats why we see so many fights in the NBA were lethal punches are thrown because basketball players are all heavyweight hitters, If they would switch to boxing they all would be better then Mayweather.

[limbo]

its the same concept, you actually think McGregor is just lettin shaq/zion pick him up? Its not like McGregor already lands 10 punches to the face before slow ass shaq can even react.

maybe watch the vid someone posted in here, were the mountain from game of thrones couldnt even grap mcgregor and when he did mcgregor used technique to keep distance and not allowing him to pick him up. Now if you think Zion/shaq is stronger and bigger then that guy keep op dreamin.

https://images.app.goo.gl/AgWdUZ53fm3G5aKE9 see what he does in this picture the moment the big stronger guy who should own him wants to grab him? he nulliefies it keeping distance, with that distance from bjornsson body/weight point even he cant lift up mcgregor since its physically impossible because physics, but yeah Zion and 20 year old shaq could totally do it.

LMAOOOO

Dude... they are play fighting and you're using that clip as some sort of serious point of data... It's like when a papa bear plays with his cubs... he was laughing and taunting the whole time... And when he did took a bit of a serious charge towards Conor he held him with ease before letting him go for free because he wasn't actuall trying to hurt him... It's actually insane that you believe a dude that literally lifted 500 kg off the ground (one of two people ever who managed to do that) couldn't lift **** Conor off the ground and slam him or snap his neck if he wanted... He doesn't even need technique to do that.. he just needs to put his weight into it... Mountain literally lifted 500 kg off the ground, that's like 8 McGregors...

Young Shaq could probably do the same. He didn't have the Mountain's weight or his raw strength... But he was more agile/athletic and thus could close the distance much more effectively, after that he really doesn't need to be the Mountain or a professional fighter to do serious damage to McGregor... He has more than enough power/weight to enforce his will on Conor's body and move it in a direction he pleases... And the fact that he's more nimble/atheletic is a good trade off in this scenario.

[limbo]

yeah because zion has trained his whole life for punching and not basketball so he can throw a punch like a heavyweight. Thats why we see so many fights in the NBA were lethal punches are thrown because basketball players are all heavyweight hitters, If they would switch to boxing they all would be better then Mayweather.

The fact that you think Zion needs to have professional expertise and experience in throwing a punch to have a chance at beating Conor is what's crazy here...

Good job at pointing out at that odd random punch thrown in traffic in NBA games as some sort of trump card.

This isn't even going to be a punching fight if Zion actually acknowledges his win condition and executes it. The gameplan for Zion is literally NOT letting this evolve into a punching/kicking match but slam Conor's head on the concrete and then use his 50 kg larger frame advantage to prevent McGregor from using better technique on the ground. Conor may have extensive jiu-jitsu ground training, but i don't know if he ever tried submitting a 6'6", 290 pound atheletic outlier in his career... because guys like that aren't actually around that often to practice on.

[koningcosmo]

its the same concept, you actually think McGregor is just lettin shaq/zion pick him up? Its not like McGregor already lands 10 punches to the face before slow ass shaq can even react.

maybe watch the vid someone posted in here, were the mountain from game of thrones couldnt even grap mcgregor and when he did mcgregor used technique to keep distance and not allowing him to pick him up. Now if you think Zion/shaq is stronger and bigger then that guy keep op dreamin.

https://images.app.goo.gl/AgWdUZ53fm3G5aKE9 see what he does in this picture the moment the big stronger guy who should own him wants to grab him? he nulliefies it keeping distance, with that distance from bjornsson body/weight point even he cant lift up mcgregor since its physically impossible because physics, but yeah Zion and 20 year old shaq could totally do it.

LMAOOOO

Dude... they are play fighting and you're using that clip as some sort of serious point of data... It's like when a papa bear plays with his cubs... he was laughing and taunting the whole time... And when he did took a bit of a serious charge towards Conor he held him with ease before letting him go for free because he wasn't actuall trying to hurt him... It's actually insane that you believe a dude that literally lifted 500 kg off the ground (one of two people ever who managed to do that) couldn't lift **** Conor off the ground and slam him or snap his neck if he wanted... He doesn't even need technique to do that.. he just needs to put his weight into it... Mountain literally lifted 500 kg off the ground, that's like 8 McGregors...

Young Shaq could probably do the same. He didn't have the Mountain's weight or his raw strength... But he was more agile/athletic and thus could close the distance much more effectively, after that he really doesn't need to be the Mountain or a professional fighter to do serious damage to McGregor... He has more than enough power/weight to enforce his will on Conor's body and move it in a direction he pleases... And the fact that he's more nimble/atheletic is a good trade off in this scenario.

sigh, a deadlift is performed while holding the weight as close to your body as possible you even put the bar against your legs and keep the bar against your body, you know why?????? because of physics, the further away the more heavy an object becomes to lift, the closer to ones weight point the easier it is to lift something. Now try lifting a person who is half a meter away from you with you arms stretched out and its impossible. an deadlift is the perfect technique plus perfect place to lift something.

Yeah they are playing in the vid above thats true, but it also shows how easily he can keep distance also how many hits could mcgregor have landed if he was serious, bjornsson wouldnt even come close without getting hit on the nose.

[Winsome Gerbil]

Yeah, the tank wins almost every fight not in the movies.

A few years ago, just for promotion, there was a video of McGregor sparring with The Mountain of Game of Thrones fame. Also known as the world's strongest man. And what was comically obvious was that despite being at the time maybe the best fighter of his weight class in the world, there was absolutely nothing he could do with a man of that size. Now admittedly that man is so massive he makes Zion look like a 90lb weakling (6'9" 400lb) but it was still instructive. One of the comments down there had it about right -- it looked like a father play-fighting with his son. there must have been some no grappling rules, because a few times Thor got hold of him and that would have been the utter end of the fight and McGregor's existence if it were a real fight, but he immediately released him rather than bodyslamming him. otherwise the "fight" would have been over in about 20 seconds.

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Popular entertainment tells us too many amusing lies sometimes. No, Bruce Lee could not take down 200 guys, even coming at him 1 at a time. No 5'2" little Buffy could not actually beat the stuffing out of all those full grown moster-men. And no a buck 45 fighter isn't taking down a 300lb monster without a weapon or a bunch of friends. There's actually kind of a fighting sweetspot with a perfect combination of power and quickness somewhere in the 190-210 sort of range that can be dangerous to nearly any human. But 145 is just too small. You land blows on a huge human and they barely even feel them at that size. Its like asking if he could beat up a silverback gorilla. No he couldn't, and I'd hate to be the one cleaning up the mess after it was over.

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Obviously a deadlift doesn't translate to lifting a moving human being that is fighting back on a 1:1 scale... What else are you going to tell us with your "bruh, physics" science? But the fact that the dude could lift 8x the weight of McGregor off the ground should tell us the dude is pretty strong, and McGregor isn't actually the heaviest dude out there, he's actually on the lighter spectrum in his profession... Thinking McGregor can dance himself out of that is pretty wishful imo. At some point he has to also close the gap to actually do damage. But while Mountain could crush McGregor with his bare hands, he's kind of stiff, which could give McGregor more time to slip around and land good shots. But guys like Shaq/Zion aren't stiff by any stretch of the imagination. It actually doesn't get any better in terms of explosivness for someone their size/weight, which is a great trade off imo, i'd rather have that then Mountain's size raw power but stifness.

I also don't think you realize how hard is it to punch someone who's 7ft tall 'in the nose'. McGregor does have a freakishly long wingspan for a guy his size, but a 25 cm difference in height is not negligible, imo. You aren't punching horizontally anymore at that point, but need to punch upowards. Overhead punches become virtually non-usable. And this is just as it pertains to Zion's height advantage. With Shaq or Mountain that difference goes from 25 to lile 40-45 cm...