shrink wrote:minimus wrote:shrink wrote:I think it’s a major problem, since Gobert is one of the best in NBA history of altering shots under the rim, whether that’s Gordon or KAT.
Imagine. Towns is so good outside that he forced Utah to move one of the best defensive erasers ever out from under the rim. That makes life easier not just for Towns, but for every player on the Wolves that attacks the rim. That ONLY happens because MIN’s PF .. Covington .. is too good from the three point line. With TWO bigs that are huge threats to hit open three’s, it forced a mismatch where Gobert had to guard one of them, out on the perimeter.
On top of this, Gordon’s ability to slash is not as big a deal if Gobert can wait for him under the basket, because Rudy doesn’t have to respect AG’s three point shot. Covington’s three-point shooting was far more important than slashing, and as Rosas puts it, forcing opponents to adjust to us. A PF who isn’t a three point threat diminishes our best weapon - the mismatch Towns creates offensively.
Well... There is a difference between non shooter and bad shooter. Gordon is a bad shooter. But he is not Rubio, MKG or Ben Simmons. You described situation with non shooter and Gobert. And how quickly we forget how bad RoCo is as slasher, he has no dribbling, cannot post up anyone. How bad is RoCo is as passer. There were enough games in MIN to understand that he is a streaky shooter. Often when his 3pt shot was not falling he made little impact in offense.
You are making my point for me,
Yes, Covington was a bad slasher and a bad passer. And despite that, his ability to shoot the three as a big is what forced Gobert to not stay under the basket.
So when you say, “but look what a good slasher Aaron Gordon is!” that skill will not move Gobert from under the basket, and moreover, he will be under the basket waiting for Gordon when he gets there.
Finally, you don’t want to bring up bad days for Covington, when championing Aaron Gordon, who has bad months. I would even point out that on a day when Covington’s three point shot isn’t falling - nobody stops defending him at the three point line. Even on a bad day, a credible three point threat that moves Gobert helps the rest of the team score at the rim. I don’t know why you are making a difference between bad shooters and non-shooters, because if Gordon shoots 30% from 3P again, he isn’t going to draw a big defender, whether he shoots the ball or not.
Three years ago: Gobert was not defending Gordon:
Nowadays, this season: Gobert is still not defending Gordon.
Embiid is not waiting Gordon under rim. Instead Embiid asked for switch but Harris was late and it was an easy dunk by Gordon.
I see your concern but it has nothing to do with reality. Instead you can see many positive thing that Gordon can bring here.
First, every time he got the ball down low, deep enough, he tried to post up smaller UTA players. Even guys like Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons. He plays С role in offense.
He stretches floor towards the rim.Second, every time Gordon got rebound and initiateв a fastbreak, Gobert was last to get back in defense. Gordon is walking/running mismatch for every team in transition. Imagine him paired with KAT/Beasley in fastbreak.
Third, note how quickly Gordon pass the ball out of the post when he is double teamed.
UTA intentionally went small at PF, because they could not handle HOU in playoffs. Their problem is that Bogdanovic/Ingles/Mitchell are not the most versatile defensive trios. Gobert cannot do it all. In real world you have to choose. They preferred Conley over Rubio, they are not as strong in defense, and they don't involve Gobert in offense enough, they lost that easy points off Rubio passes. But again In real world you have to choose.
This is how Gordon played against another very spefici defense:
You can see how he defended in space, rebounded.
The biggest problem with Gordon is not shooting. It is shot selection and decision making. In ORL he plays with guys like Fultz, MCW, Iwundu, Birch, Vuc, Bamba, Fournier. No elite shooters, no elite passers. No spacing. He forces a lot of shots from mid range, 3pt shot of the dribble. What happen if we plug him here next to three elite shooter? If he accepts this role of facilitator, sky is the limit.
According to bbref, league average % at rim is 67%. MIN is bottom5 in this category. At the same time we are #1 in layup attempts. It is the same situation with 3pt shooting before and after trade deadline. We started this season being one of the worst team in terms of 3pt shooting accuracy, being one of the league leaders in generated and attempted shots. After trade deadline we were leaders in generated AND made 3pt shots. So now we generate enough layups/dunks opportunities. system works. We just dont have personnel to convert them consistently well.
Aaron Gordon is finishing at rim with 70% os his shots/dunks.
Stretching towards the rim concept is equally important for our offense. Yet, fans tend to underrate such players.
Also we are dead last in corner 3pt accuracy. Corner 3s are bread and butter for wings, so these % are not surprising, Layman missed a lot of games and we mostly played Okogie/Culver there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020.html#team_shooting::none