Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[robillionaire]

cp3 will tear something in his 35 year old knee like 10 games into the season after we give up assets for him

i don't get why anybody wants him. it's not like he has championship dna or anything

this is like giving up assets to bring in old jason kidd for 2 years but also pay him 85 million dollars during a time the salary cap is about to be reduced

we should be getting multiple 1sts to take on this disaster

The only way CP3 should be on this roster next year is if their is any amnesty buy-out and we get him on a 1 year deal for cheap. Andre Drummond would be a contract that we would regret down the road. Like I said, I would be intrigued with Oladipo, but with our luck he will never recover fully from that knee injury.

IF there was an amnesty buy out, why in the hell would cp3 ever sign here for cheap instead of ring chasing?

[BobbyJackson]

cp3 will tear something in his 35 year old knee like 10 games into the season after we give up assets for him

i don't get why anybody wants him. it's not like he has championship dna or anything

this is like giving up assets to bring in old jason kidd for 2 years but also pay him 85 million dollars during a time the salary cap is about to be reduced

we should be getting multiple 1sts to take on this disaster

The only way CP3 should be on this roster next year is if their is any amnesty buy-out and we get him on a 1 year deal for cheap. Andre Drummond would be a contract that we would regret down the road. Like I said, I would be intrigued with Oladipo, but with our luck he will never recover fully from that knee injury.

IF there was an amnesty buy out, why in the hell would cp3 ever sign here for cheap instead of ring chasing?

i am not saying he would. i am saying that is the only way cp3 ends up on this roster. but who knows, maybe his relationship with leon rose lures him here.

[robillionaire]

The only way CP3 should be on this roster next year is if their is any amnesty buy-out and we get him on a 1 year deal for cheap. Andre Drummond would be a contract that we would regret down the road. Like I said, I would be intrigued with Oladipo, but with our luck he will never recover fully from that knee injury.

IF there was an amnesty buy out, why in the hell would cp3 ever sign here for cheap instead of ring chasing?

i am not saying he would. i am saying that is the only way cp3 ends up on this roster. but who knows, maybe his relationship with leon rose lures him here.

Yeah I hear you. To me that would raise even more red flags

[Deeeez Knicks]

cp3 will tear something in his 35 year old knee like 10 games into the season after we give up assets for him

i don't get why anybody wants him. it's not like he has championship dna or anything

this is like giving up assets to bring in old jason kidd for 2 years but also pay him 85 million dollars during a time the salary cap is about to be reduced

we should be getting multiple 1sts to take on this disaster

100%...as soon as he puts on a Knicks jersey he will look like he's 45 years old. Hard pass unless we get some good picks (which wont happen).

[spree2kawhi]

cp3 will tear something in his 35 year old knee like 10 games into the season after we give up assets for him

i don't get why anybody wants him. it's not like he has championship dna or anything

this is like giving up assets to bring in old jason kidd for 2 years but also pay him 85 million dollars during a time the salary cap is about to be reduced

we should be getting multiple 1sts to take on this disaster

100%...as soon as he puts on a Knicks jersey he will look like he's 45 years old. Hard pass unless we get some good picks (which wont happen).

Hope he goes to the Lakers and gets his ass whipped by either Kawhi or the Warriors

[robillionaire]

cp3 will tear something in his 35 year old knee like 10 games into the season after we give up assets for him

i don't get why anybody wants him. it's not like he has championship dna or anything

this is like giving up assets to bring in old jason kidd for 2 years but also pay him 85 million dollars during a time the salary cap is about to be reduced

we should be getting multiple 1sts to take on this disaster

100%...as soon as he puts on a Knicks jersey he will look like he's 45 years old. Hard pass unless we get some good picks (which wont happen).

Hope he goes to the Lakers and gets his ass whipped by either Kawhi or the Warriors

the lakers already have my boy rondo who already literally whipped cp3s ass and has actually won a championship

[newyorker4ever]

https://dailyknicks.com/2020/05/19/new-york-knicks-make-davis-bertans-top-priority/

The New York Knicks should make signing Davis Bertans a top priority during the 2020 NBA offseason.
The ultimate goal for the New York Knicks is to find a franchise player who can lead the organization back to prominence. That would not only simplify the game for the players who are currently on the roster, but make it easier to appeal to free agents.

True as that may be, the Knicks have spent the better part of the past 20 years making home run swings, only to end up with a painfully high number of strikeouts.

In other words: The Knicks need to build from the ground up.

The current roster has intriguing pieces abound, including RJ Barrett, Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, and Mitchell Robinson. There are also two quality prospects with the G League affiliate in Westchester in Ignas Brazdeikis and Kenny Wooten, as well as multiple incoming draft picks.

That implies that that the Knicks are headed in the right direction, but it also displays one critical truth: Every move from here on out must be made with precision.

New York could go star-hunting, as it has so many times before, but it’s worth questioning if a true franchise player would be available on the open market. It could also go all-in on the rebuild, prioritizing the youth movement above all else.

Thankfully, there’s a common ground to be found between the rebuild and the desire for proven talent with veteran-level experience.

The process of blending those two visions could begin with current Washington Wizards power forward Davis Bertans.

[and13]

If they give anybody besides AD a long term max, or near max, they're no better than mills or phil. Either trade for someone or keep the precious flexibility we got now. There are no max cats in this class.

[moocow007]

The only way CP3 should be on this roster next year is if their is any amnesty buy-out and we get him on a 1 year deal for cheap. Andre Drummond would be a contract that we would regret down the road. Like I said, I would be intrigued with Oladipo, but with our luck he will never recover fully from that knee injury.

IF there was an amnesty buy out, why in the hell would cp3 ever sign here for cheap instead of ring chasing?

i am not saying he would. i am saying that is the only way cp3 ends up on this roster. but who knows, maybe his relationship with leon rose lures him here.

Based on what is ideal sure. But if he's bought out he's more likely to sign with a team that can contend. But even the notion of a buyout doesn't make sense. CP3 is notorious for not doing the team any favors when it comes to money so the few millions the Thunder may save wouldn't be worth losing his ability to impact his team. What the Thunder is more prone to do is IF some team is willing to take his entire contract to offer some incentives that is worth less than given him $40 million a year (or whatever the actrual "cost for keeping CP3" would be for them) to not be there for that other team to take his contract entirely. THAT would be a more feasible thing for the Knicks to look at since they have money as an advantage over teams like the Thunder. What can the Knicks get from the Thunder in addition to just CP3 the player for taking CP3 the contract. I'm no GM but at the end of the day, it's all a give and take, value vs. cost. How much costly would keeping CP3's contract be for the Thunder above what he can produce for them in this current Covid-19 climate? It may have been no cost under normal circumstances but now there likely is a cost to the Thunder. That's where bargaining comes in and the ability of the parties to haggle value and cost. The Knicks biggest advantage is not just the capspace to asorb his contract but also the ability to pay it which may actually leave them as the only realistic option for the Thunder. That creates an advantage to Rose and the Knicks.

[moocow007]

If they give anybody besides AD a long term max, or near max, they're no better than mills or phil. Either trade for someone or keep the precious flexibility we got now. There are no max cats in this class.

What did the "precious flexibility" do for the Knicks this past offseason? What max cats would really want to sign with the Knicks even if there were one's? Also the max is relative to the salary cap. IF the projected salary cap is going to take a big hit, then the max contracts (all 3 tiers of them) would also be a lot less. Max salary is 25%, 30% and 35% of the salary cap depending on how many years you have in the NBA. So if there's a shot of signing a guy for a depreciated salary cap max, it may actually be a bargain depending on the player. Covid-19 has potentially adjusted the playing field and the Knicks may actually have a double advantage (cap space AND deep pockets). So while they shoudln't squander it, they should be trying to use it to their advantage right now instead of sitting on it.

[moocow007]

https://dailyknicks.com/2020/05/19/new-york-knicks-make-davis-bertans-top-priority/

The New York Knicks should make signing Davis Bertans a top priority during the 2020 NBA offseason.
The ultimate goal for the New York Knicks is to find a franchise player who can lead the organization back to prominence. That would not only simplify the game for the players who are currently on the roster, but make it easier to appeal to free agents.

True as that may be, the Knicks have spent the better part of the past 20 years making home run swings, only to end up with a painfully high number of strikeouts.

In other words: The Knicks need to build from the ground up.

The current roster has intriguing pieces abound, including RJ Barrett, Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, and Mitchell Robinson. There are also two quality prospects with the G League affiliate in Westchester in Ignas Brazdeikis and Kenny Wooten, as well as multiple incoming draft picks.

That implies that that the Knicks are headed in the right direction, but it also displays one critical truth: Every move from here on out must be made with precision.

New York could go star-hunting, as it has so many times before, but it’s worth questioning if a true franchise player would be available on the open market. It could also go all-in on the rebuild, prioritizing the youth movement above all else.

Thankfully, there’s a common ground to be found between the rebuild and the desire for proven talent with veteran-level experience.

The process of blending those two visions could begin with current Washington Wizards power forward Davis Bertans.

Did you write this?

[and13]

If they give anybody besides AD a long term max, or near max, they're no better than mills or phil. Either trade for someone or keep the precious flexibility we got now. There are no max cats in this class.

What did the "precious flexibility" do for the Knicks this past offseason? What max cats would really want to sign with the Knicks even if there were one's? Also the max is relative to the salary cap. IF the projected salary cap is going to take a big hit, then the max contracts (all 3 tiers of them) would also be a lot less. Max salary is 25%, 30% and 35% of the salary cap depending on how many years you have in the NBA. So if there's a shot of signing a guy for a depreciated salary cap max, it may actually be a bargain depending on the player. Covid-19 has potentially adjusted the playing field and the Knicks may actually have a double advantage (cap space AND deep pockets). So while they shoudln't squander it, they should be trying to use it to their advantage right now instead of sitting on it.

Save it for someone who deserves it. Nobody outside AD does this year.
This year the only long term deal we made was the worst too.
You can't actually believe that having flexibility isn't important.

[newyorker4ever]

Alexey Shved ready for a NBA comeback?

https://dailyknicks.com/2020/05/20/knicks-rumors-alexey-shved-ready-return-nba/

[WargamesX]

I just read a Hollinger’s report on the luxury tax and Yeah the Warriors will likely want to attach their first with Wiggins. Keeping him could give them a $135 million luxury tax bill. Celtics are going to likely have to shed contracts as well and their pick #17 might be up for grabs.

I definitely think we can make moves during the draft it just matters on what the Knicks want to do.

[thebuzzardman]

If they give anybody besides AD a long term max, or near max, they're no better than mills or phil. Either trade for someone or keep the precious flexibility we got now. There are no max cats in this class.

What did the "precious flexibility" do for the Knicks this past offseason? What max cats would really want to sign with the Knicks even if there were one's? Also the max is relative to the salary cap. IF the projected salary cap is going to take a big hit, then the max contracts (all 3 tiers of them) would also be a lot less. Max salary is 25%, 30% and 35% of the salary cap depending on how many years you have in the NBA. So if there's a shot of signing a guy for a depreciated salary cap max, it may actually be a bargain depending on the player. Covid-19 has potentially adjusted the playing field and the Knicks may actually have a double advantage (cap space AND deep pockets). So while they shoudln't squander it, they should be trying to use it to their advantage right now instead of sitting on it.

I agree with your take. However, the Knicks had cap space, precious that it is, and FA's didn't come. That's fine. That happens sometimes. They still retained flexibility moving forward, which was a good thing. But yes, cap space shouldn't be the be all/end all.
In spite of probably making a stylistic mistake in signing Randle, it didn't cap them out for the future and didn't impact the cap TOO badly.

To the Betrans thing, depending on price, I wouldn't mind him as an upgrade over Portis. Or, an upgrade at one of the things well the Knicks need improvement on. Obviously a guy who breaks down the D and gets it moving is the priority, and that individual at the PG even more so, but not necessarily so, but this draft doesn't seem to have that guy at SG/SF, except maybe Edwards (at the high level)

I know you think the shooting thing has gotten overstated, but I sure hope the Knicks will value it in role players moving forward.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I just read a Hollinger’s report on the luxury tax and Yeah the Warriors will likely want to attach their first with Wiggins. Keeping him could give them a $135 million luxury tax bill. Celtics are going to likely have to shed contracts as well and their pick #17 might be up for grabs.

I definitely think we can make moves during the draft it just matters on what the Knicks want to do.

Yea, that was a pretty good article. It sounds like there are going to be some opportunities to take on some contracts for picks/assets. A bunch of teams are going to be in trouble with the tax and looking to avoid or reduce there tax. Knicks can be one of the teams to jump on those opportunities

[thebuzzardman]

I just read a Hollinger’s report on the luxury tax and Yeah the Warriors will likely want to attach their first with Wiggins. Keeping him could give them a $135 million luxury tax bill. Celtics are going to likely have to shed contracts as well and their pick #17 might be up for grabs.

I definitely think we can make moves during the draft it just matters on what the Knicks want to do.

Yea, that was a pretty good article. It sounds like there are going to be some opportunities to take on some contracts for picks/assets. A bunch of teams are going to be in trouble with the tax and looking to avoid or reduce there tax. Knicks can be one of the teams to jump on those opportunities

The Warriors dangle the #1 pick but you have to take back Wiggins' contract. If you are the Knicks, you do it?

I guess this is unrealistic. But would you, in this imaginary scenario?

[sol537]

https://dailyknicks.com/2020/05/19/new-york-knicks-make-davis-bertans-top-priority/

The New York Knicks should make signing Davis Bertans a top priority during the 2020 NBA offseason.
The ultimate goal for the New York Knicks is to find a franchise player who can lead the organization back to prominence. That would not only simplify the game for the players who are currently on the roster, but make it easier to appeal to free agents.

True as that may be, the Knicks have spent the better part of the past 20 years making home run swings, only to end up with a painfully high number of strikeouts.

In other words: The Knicks need to build from the ground up.

The current roster has intriguing pieces abound, including RJ Barrett, Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, and Mitchell Robinson. There are also two quality prospects with the G League affiliate in Westchester in Ignas Brazdeikis and Kenny Wooten, as well as multiple incoming draft picks.

That implies that that the Knicks are headed in the right direction, but it also displays one critical truth: Every move from here on out must be made with precision.

New York could go star-hunting, as it has so many times before, but it’s worth questioning if a true franchise player would be available on the open market. It could also go all-in on the rebuild, prioritizing the youth movement above all else.

Thankfully, there’s a common ground to be found between the rebuild and the desire for proven talent with veteran-level experience.

The process of blending those two visions could begin with current Washington Wizards power forward Davis Bertans.

Jerami Grant >>>> Bertans.

Bertans is a great shooter, sure, but he's teflon soft on defense. He's a nice bench piece on a cheap contract, but not worth starter money.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I just read a Hollinger’s report on the luxury tax and Yeah the Warriors will likely want to attach their first with Wiggins. Keeping him could give them a $135 million luxury tax bill. Celtics are going to likely have to shed contracts as well and their pick #17 might be up for grabs.

I definitely think we can make moves during the draft it just matters on what the Knicks want to do.

Yea, that was a pretty good article. It sounds like there are going to be some opportunities to take on some contracts for picks/assets. A bunch of teams are going to be in trouble with the tax and looking to avoid or reduce there tax. Knicks can be one of the teams to jump on those opportunities

The Warriors dangle the #1 pick but you have to take back Wiggins' contract. If you are the Knicks, you do it?

I guess this is unrealistic. But would you, in this imaginary scenario?

Hypothetically, Wiggins + #1 for nothing? I would probably do that. That contract is bad, but its hard to pass up the #1 pick while keeping our own. For LaMelo I would probably take that contract. Not sure I would do that for anyone else in the draft.

Not really sure GS is thinking. They are gonna owe a ton of tax, but put themselves in that position so maybe they are ok or have a plan.

[WargamesX]

I just read a Hollinger’s report on the luxury tax and Yeah the Warriors will likely want to attach their first with Wiggins. Keeping him could give them a $135 million luxury tax bill. Celtics are going to likely have to shed contracts as well and their pick #17 might be up for grabs.

I definitely think we can make moves during the draft it just matters on what the Knicks want to do.

Yea, that was a pretty good article. It sounds like there are going to be some opportunities to take on some contracts for picks/assets. A bunch of teams are going to be in trouble with the tax and looking to avoid or reduce there tax. Knicks can be one of the teams to jump on those opportunities

The Warriors dangle the #1 pick but you have to take back Wiggins' contract. If you are the Knicks, you do it?

I guess this is unrealistic. But would you, in this imaginary scenario?

His contract is crazy, but Let’s say the Knicks did it for the pick 1, and to keep 6, because that is too large of a contract to take for a swap, let’s say they do it you got to draft Wiggins, Ball, and maybe Obi Toppin because they wouldn’t have enough money to chase a stretch PF in FA.

Ball
RJ
Wiggins
Toppin
Mitch

Bench
Frank
Knox
Iggy
Pick #27
Use the MMLE on a backup Center

We wouldn’t be able to take salary to move up from #27 but that’s another rookie contract. We would be over the salary cap and have the MMLE for like 6 mil. I don’t know if mathematically works but talk about going all in on youth. You’d have to have a belief that Wiggins is about to live up to his potential and that Ball and Toppin are NBA ready. Also that the Knicks would get another good piece in 2021. It’s a crazy trade but in theory it would be trading KP, Lee, and Hardaway for Ball, Wiggins, Toppin, and two first round picks. lolknicks would go crazy but..... I don’t know, it’s... it’s not pretty but it’s bold.