Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[Wilber85]

I am on board of McGregor as a professional fighter but Street Fighting and Back Alley fighting are a lot different. I was about 190 lbs and fought Spenser Fisher who is 160 lbs and it was a good fight. Dude is a professional fighter or was, and I was just a Marine / Football Player. We fought, beat each other up, and walked away. In a cage he would have tapped me out, etc.

[HeartBreakKid]

Yeah...arguing with someone who has never trained about how fights work is like arguing with Kyrie Irving about whether the earth is flat or not. It's just very hard to convey what is very obvious to people who are not educated on these things.

As for the weight class thing, other than the fact that weight classes are only relevant among trained fighters (manny pacqiao would destroy people who are 200 pounds in a boxing fight if they have never boxed, stop kidding yourself for thinking otherwise) - there are open weight fights in MMA, big guy who is poorly trained almost always loses (and Zion has less than poor training, he has no training).


Again, fighting is not intuitive. Fighting like an ape isn't the actual proper way to fight and it's as far from effective as trying to use a sling shot against a pistol. Trying to box, kick and especially grapple with no training is like trying to dribble a basketball with your elbows.

[Smirk]

This is from the JJ Redick podcast where they somehow brought this up for some reason. Pretty hilarious. JJ picked his Zion Teammate to win.

Zion Williamson is 19yo 6’6 285lbs

Connor McGregor is 31yo 5’9 145lbs

Who wins in a 3 round 3min MMA fight?

Does Zion just pick him up and sit on him?
Does McGregor put a finger submission on Zion?
Does Zion just push Connor off and wait for time to expire?

Look, Pels fan here. I love Zion.

He would get beaten badly in a short amount of time. Very few of these guys would stand a chance against an average trained fighter, let alone someone of McGregor's skill level.

He would just submit him quickly.

[hyper316]

Go watch ufc1, weight is not the deciding factor. Fight will eventually go to the ground. A skill mma fighter against someone with no mma background will control the fight and win by submission

[madmaxmedia]

This is like Lavar thinking he could beat MJ just because he’s got some size and weight on him. The skill level disparity here is so great it doesn’t matter.

Conor has trained all his life to take and give punches. A normal human being who doesn’t fight a lot just isn’t going to react in nearly the same way when punches start getting thrown.

[Capn'O]

Yeah, the tank wins almost every fight not in the movies.

A few years ago, just for promotion, there was a video of McGregor sparring with The Mountain of Game of Thrones fame. Also known as the world's strongest man. And what was comically obvious was that despite being at the time maybe the best fighter of his weight class in the world, there was absolutely nothing he could do with a man of that size. Now admittedly that man is so massive he makes Zion look like a 90lb weakling (6'9" 400lb) but it was still instructive. One of the comments down there had it about right -- it looked like a father play-fighting with his son. there must have been some no grappling rules, because a few times Thor got hold of him and that would have been the utter end of the fight and McGregor's existence if it were a real fight, but he immediately released him rather than bodyslamming him. otherwise the "fight" would have been over in about 20 seconds.

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Popular entertainment tells us too many amusing lies sometimes. No, Bruce Lee could not take down 200 guys, even coming at him 1 at a time. No 5'2" little Buffy could not actually beat the stuffing out of all those full grown moster-men. And no a buck 45 fighter isn't taking down a 300lb monster without a weapon or a bunch of friends. There's actually kind of a fighting sweetspot with a perfect combination of power and quickness somewhere in the 190-210 sort of range that can be dangerous to nearly any human. But 145 is just too small. You land blows on a huge human and they barely even feel them at that size. Its like asking if he could beat up a silverback gorilla. No he couldn't, and I'd hate to be the one cleaning up the mess after it was over.

Again people bringing this up as an example is stupid. Thor is 6'9" 452 lbs (heavier than Zion by like 170 lbs), he is a complete outlier of a human being. He could literally curl Conor with one arm and overhead press Zion's weight with one arm, thats how ridiculously strong this man is. Also you're using a video of a FRIENDLY SPARRING SESSION like you said, Conor and most normal minded human beings wouldnt fight like that with their actual life on the line.

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Zion is 285 and Conor without manipulating his weight for fights would probably be around 170-180, hes not some scrawny dude. Professional fighters actually "lose weight" for weigh ins to meet requirements for their division.

Yeah - tbh, the Mountain vs. Conor spar looked like both guys were trying to size up the territory of what such a fight would be like. Thor didn't really go for the pickup and Conor didn't really hit. Not a lot you can take from it other than... man that guy is huge.

[limbo]

Go watch ufc1, weight is not the deciding factor. Fight will eventually go to the ground. A skill mma fighter against someone with no mma background will control the fight and win by submission

Early UFC had some stiff-legged overweight non-athletic sumo guys there... and it's was a cage fight under specific rules... Not a random free for all street brawl with no rules like it would be in this example.

And finally, nobody here is questioning whether Conor can execute stuff and win the fight. But people thinking he can just dodge out of the way of a a 6'6'', 290 pound athletic marvel like Zion coming full speed at him to grab/tackle Conor to the ground and use his size/weight to his advantage is living in a fantasy...

How many of you guys have tried maneuvering on the ground while a 6'6'' dude with a 55 kg advantage is laying on top of you? Sure, it's possible to theoretically roll yourself from under him and go in for a reverse choke or something... lots of stuff can happen in a sloppy fight, but people thinking Conor would have no trouble moving Zion around on the ground like some sort of rag doll is ridiculous.

[magicman1978]

Yeah - tbh, the Thor vs. Conor spar looked like both guys were trying to size up the territory of what such a fight would be like. Thor didn't really go for the pickup and Conor didn't really hit. Not a lot you can take from it other than... man that guy is huge.

Yeah, just consider that Conor is about 64% of Zion's weight and Zion is about 63% of Thor's weight.

[GOATTatum]

it would depend if McGregor could close the distance the fight, I think Zion could use his reach to keep McGregor from getting too close and I think McGregor would have a hard time taking Zion to the ground.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

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Another reference, Conor is not close to Marcelo Garcia as a ground fighter, but I assume Zion is miles away from Arlowski and Marcelo was toying with him.
That's of course just sparring from the ground, if you don't have grappling experience you don't know how difficult is to stuff td attempts from a trained guy, even if much smaller than you. I've seen big guys being totally humbled by very small ones. Once both are on the ground 100% Zion is giving up his back and is getting chocked.

[BoardCrusher]

for all the kids here saying "but hes got 100 pounds on him"

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[thebigbird]

Mcgregor has a very long reach for a guy his size. His wingspan is 1.88m compared to Zion's 2.08m. I expected Zion to have a much better advantage there before looking it up.

In a fight Connor would have enough reach to keep his distance from Zion and to strike him with some devastating hits when the opportunity arises. Zion's height and reach advantage helps him, but Connor's training and left hand can overcome that.

SMH. from reading this thread I get the feeling I might be the only guy to have ever actually witnessed a "back alley brawl".

Its no a ring fight. It's not the movies. There are very few clean anythings. Nobody dances around. Its violence in a small space with charging bodies, people being flung into walls and trash bins etc. This whole discussion is juvenile of course, but in any sort of actual real life "no holds barred" scenario, the bigger man is going to rapidly close on the littler man, walk through a few punches or kicks, grab him and then fling or slam him, very hard, onto a very hard surface or object. Or pile drive him, or whatever. A smart one will put his body weight behind it and bones will break. In "real" fights there aren't a lot of clean strikes, and in real fights involving big guys they aren't looking for their to be. It's like fighting a bear. It's going to put its big ole body on you and the physics are just daunting. Which is why in the real world 150lb guys don't fight 300lb guys 1 on 1. They bring friends. Or guns.

Seriously all this discussion like guys are going to circle each other and jab for 3 minutes is just...completely unrelated to actual real world fighting.

That's what I've been saying. We aren't talking about a structured mma fight in a ring. We're talking about a back alley fight. There aren't rules in a back alley fight. You do what you have to do. Zion is 300 pounds and insanely strong. McGregor is like half his size.

[Ontario]

Connor drastically has an advantage in aggressiveness and skill which honestly could be enough pull out the win. As long as Zion acutely appreciates how dangerous McGegor is and does not do anything too foolish his size and length should be enough to take the win, just keep him in front of you and do not let him get you on the ground, you are both the same height on the ground.

[Clay Davis]

I guarantee Joanna Jedrezecyzk would be able to beat Zion in a fight

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[Clay Davis]

Mcgregor has a very long reach for a guy his size. His wingspan is 1.88m compared to Zion's 2.08m. I expected Zion to have a much better advantage there before looking it up.

In a fight Connor would have enough reach to keep his distance from Zion and to strike him with some devastating hits when the opportunity arises. Zion's height and reach advantage helps him, but Connor's training and left hand can overcome that.

SMH. from reading this thread I get the feeling I might be the only guy to have ever actually witnessed a "back alley brawl".

Its no a ring fight. It's not the movies. There are very few clean anythings. Nobody dances around. Its violence in a small space with charging bodies, people being flung into walls and trash bins etc. This whole discussion is juvenile of course, but in any sort of actual real life "no holds barred" scenario, the bigger man is going to rapidly close on the littler man, walk through a few punches or kicks, grab him and then fling or slam him, very hard, onto a very hard surface or object. Or pile drive him, or whatever. A smart one will put his body weight behind it and bones will break. In "real" fights there aren't a lot of clean strikes, and in real fights involving big guys they aren't looking for their to be. It's like fighting a bear. It's going to put its big ole body on you and the physics are just daunting. Which is why in the real world 150lb guys don't fight 300lb guys 1 on 1. They bring friends. Or guns.

Seriously all this discussion like guys are going to circle each other and jab for 3 minutes is just...completely unrelated to actual real world fighting.

That's what I've been saying. We aren't talking about a structured mma fight in a ring. We're talking about a back alley fight. There aren't rules in a back alley fight. You do what you have to do. Zion is 300 pounds and insanely strong. McGregor is like half his size.

Except McGregor has some of the best instincts for counter hitting in the UFC. His eyes have been trained for finding holes in people's defense and its worked well enough for him that he became a champ. Zion would get knocked out getting within two steps of McGregor's reach

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[hyper316]

Go watch ufc1, weight is not the deciding factor. Fight will eventually go to the ground. A skill mma fighter against someone with no mma background will control the fight and win by submission

Early UFC had some stiff-legged overweight non-athletic sumo guys there... and it's was a cage fight under specific rules... Not a random free for all street brawl with no rules like it would be in this example.

And finally, nobody here is questioning whether Conor can execute stuff and win the fight. But people thinking he can just dodge out of the way of a a 6'6'', 290 pound athletic marvel like Zion coming full speed at him to grab/tackle Conor to the ground and use his size/weight to his advantage is living in a fantasy...

How many of you guys have tried maneuvering on the ground while a 6'6'' dude with a 55 kg advantage is laying on top of you? Sure, it's possible to theoretically roll yourself from under him and go in for a reverse choke or something... lots of stuff can happen in a sloppy fight, but people thinking Conor would have no trouble moving Zion around on the ground like some sort of rag doll is ridiculous.

If you ever watched ufc1, royce gracie never faced the stiffed legged sumo you referred to. Art jimmerson, ken shamrock, gerald gordeau. All heavier than royce and trained fighters. Ken shamrock billed weight is around 240lb and a skilled fighter on foot and ground. royce would have no issue taking down zion to the ground. Have no doubt conor would be able to do the same thing.

[pesfan321]

Do people not realize how much faster and durable Conor McGregor is? Zion is carrying over 300 lbs of mostly muscle. He'll tire in half a minute.

[Duke4life831]

Again for all the people that are saying Zion would just manhandle him and all this other stuff. An actual street fight video between a professional MMA fighter the same size as Conor, knocked out a 240 pound Division 1 linebacker. Yes Zion is 40 pounds heavier, but Conor is also the far superior striker compared to Roger Huerta. So this idea that Conor is just like a mosquito to Zion is just dumb.

[BigDocta898]

I guarantee Joanna Jedrezecyzk would be able to beat Zion in a fight

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Lmao Zion could put his hands behind his back and let her Tee off on him for 30 seconds and than pick her up and throw her through a wall.

[BigDocta898]

Again for all the people that are saying Zion would just manhandle him and all this other stuff. An actual street fight video between a professional MMA fighter the same size as Conor, knocked out a 240 pound Division 1 linebacker. Yes Zion is 40 pounds heavier, but Conor is also the far superior striker compared to Roger Huerta. So this idea that Conor is just like a mosquito to Zion is just dumb.

He couldn't even knock an old man out at the bar