Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson

[xdrta+]

Clearly not everyone. Klay has 32% of the vote at age 28.

Klay turned 30 three months ago.

[wickywack]

Mitch Richmond is a much better comp for Klay Thompson than Reggie Miller is.

Through 8 seasons, Richmond and Thompson are near dopplegangers:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Mitch+Richmond&player_id1_select=Mitch+Richmond&y1=1996&player_id1=richmmi01&idx=bbr__players&player_id2_hint=Klay+Thompson&player_id2_select=Klay+Thompson&y2=2019&player_id2=thompkl01&idx=bbr__players&player_id3_hint=Reggie+Miller&player_id3_select=Reggie+Miller&y3=1995&player_id3=millere01&idx=bbr__players

Reggie is a level above both of those guys, and it's reflected in advanced stats (higher PER, TS%, WS, WS/48, ORtg - often by big margins). Closer (but not quite) in impact to Curry than Thompson.

[dhsilv2]

Clearly not everyone. Klay has 32% of the vote at age 28. What will that number look like when he passes Reggie in threes and has twice as many All-Star and All-NBA selections?

Clearly most of the people voting put no effort into the question. Just look at how many people voted vs posted reasonable arguments for or against? Just go through this thread, how many well thought out arguments for Klay.

Here’s Reggie’s problem:


Any rational, objective observer can look at this and see that Reggie is at a major disadvantage because he’s retired while Klay Thompson just entered his prime.

For me, I’m 100% confident that by the time Klay Thompson retires he will be widely considered a better player than Reggie Miller. I'm not even worried about it.

Why would anyone care what the general opinion of either is? Unlesss you're qualifying it with people who actually put time into these things, it's completely meaningless. Nobody cares about the opinions of the kinds of people who watch ESPN's hot take shows for example have.

The gap between these two is monumental in terms of career and peak. This all before the cold reality of the injury that Klay will be coming back from likely won't leave him the same. Or that Klay's stats have declined every year since 2015, his peak stats. Which remember weren't on par with Reggie's peak stats. And please don't try using the KD excuse. Klay's useage in 17 and 19 were both at or higher than Reggie's highest usage. KD wasn't taking shots away from Klay.

Rational objective observers aren't going to focus on awards. Awards are not rational objective observations. They're voted on by emotional and irrational people.

[dhsilv2]

Klay is more well rounded but I have to with Reggie. I mean Reggie didn't back down from Spike Lee.

What does not backing down from Spike Lee have anything to do with him being a better player

Klay is a better defensive player and has put up better shooting numbers on higher volume. Reggie was often a number 1/2 option but to say thats he "carried" the offense is inaccurate. Those Pacers teams were deep and very well-rounded offensively and heavily leaned on their defense. I feel like the majority of people are penalizing Klay for his role on the Dubs but Reggie had a pretty similar role on the Pacers.

Klay Thompson has had a higher usage (24.7%) during his career than Reggie did during his prime (23.0%).

Reggie's career TS% is higher than Klay's best and that's BEFORE we adjust for the era.

Reggie has 7 seasons with the same or higher OBPM as Klay's best season. 10 seasons with a higher WS/48 than Klay's best.

[Pennebaker]

Clearly most of the people voting put no effort into the question. Just look at how many people voted vs posted reasonable arguments for or against? Just go through this thread, how many well thought out arguments for Klay.

Here’s Reggie’s problem:


Any rational, objective observer can look at this and see that Reggie is at a major disadvantage because he’s retired while Klay Thompson just entered his prime.

For me, I’m 100% confident that by the time Klay Thompson retires he will be widely considered a better player than Reggie Miller. I'm not even worried about it.

Why would anyone care what the general opinion of either is? Unlesss you're qualifying it with people who actually put time into these things, it's completely meaningless. Nobody cares about the opinions of the kinds of people who watch ESPN's hot take shows for example have.

The gap between these two is monumental in terms of career and peak. This all before the cold reality of the injury that Klay will be coming back from likely won't leave him the same. Or that Klay's stats have declined every year since 2015, his peak stats. Which remember weren't on par with Reggie's peak stats. And please don't try using the KD excuse. Klay's useage in 17 and 19 were both at or higher than Reggie's highest usage. KD wasn't taking shots away from Klay.

Rational objective observers aren't going to focus on awards. Awards are not rational objective observations. They're voted on by emotional and irrational people.

When I say "widely considered" I mean by people that matter.

"The gap between these two is monumental" - subjective

"the cold reality" - rolling my eyes

"likely won't leave him the same" - it's just an ACL bro. not that big of a deal.

Reggie Miller's peak was low. This is why so many people think he's overrated and doesn't belong in the HOF.

Klay has more 40 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.
Klay has more 50 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.
Klay has more 60 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.

Frankly, Klay is a better scorer.

So Klay is a better scorer and a better defender and he's bigger (mass) and stronger and he's already more decorated. I really don't know what else there is to say.

You've convinced me that Reggie actually doesn't have an argument.

[ALPHAandOMEGA]

reggie by 1,000,000 miles...

[dhsilv2]

Here’s Reggie’s problem:


Any rational, objective observer can look at this and see that Reggie is at a major disadvantage because he’s retired while Klay Thompson just entered his prime.

For me, I’m 100% confident that by the time Klay Thompson retires he will be widely considered a better player than Reggie Miller. I'm not even worried about it.

Why would anyone care what the general opinion of either is? Unlesss you're qualifying it with people who actually put time into these things, it's completely meaningless. Nobody cares about the opinions of the kinds of people who watch ESPN's hot take shows for example have.

The gap between these two is monumental in terms of career and peak. This all before the cold reality of the injury that Klay will be coming back from likely won't leave him the same. Or that Klay's stats have declined every year since 2015, his peak stats. Which remember weren't on par with Reggie's peak stats. And please don't try using the KD excuse. Klay's useage in 17 and 19 were both at or higher than Reggie's highest usage. KD wasn't taking shots away from Klay.

Rational objective observers aren't going to focus on awards. Awards are not rational objective observations. They're voted on by emotional and irrational people.

When I say "widely considered" I mean by people that matter.

"The gap between these two is monumental" - subjective

"the cold reality" - rolling my eyes

"likely won't leave him the same" - it's just an ACL bro. not that big of a deal.

Reggie Miller's peak was low. This is why so many people think he's overrated and doesn't belong in the HOF.

Klay has more 40 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.
Klay has more 50 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.
Klay has more 60 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.

Frankly, Klay is a better scorer.

So Klay is a better scorer and a better defender and he's bigger (mass) and stronger and he's already more decorated. I really don't know what else there is to say.

You've convinced me that Reggie actually doesn't have an argument.

Every reasonable stat or metric shows a huge gap between the two both in terms of peak and career. But I'm responding to someone who uses points scored in a game as a metric. Without a doubt the worse argument I've seen made for any player ever. If you have a reasonable argument, make it. But posting completely silly stuff like this does little to help.

Hell even the defensive gap is grossly misleading. Klay is far from an elite defender. We can get into the metrics but frankly it's silly to bother.


BTW show me one respected analyst who thinks Millers shouldn't be in the hall of fame who's actually made a real case for it.

[Pennebaker]

Why would anyone care what the general opinion of either is? Unlesss you're qualifying it with people who actually put time into these things, it's completely meaningless. Nobody cares about the opinions of the kinds of people who watch ESPN's hot take shows for example have.

The gap between these two is monumental in terms of career and peak. This all before the cold reality of the injury that Klay will be coming back from likely won't leave him the same. Or that Klay's stats have declined every year since 2015, his peak stats. Which remember weren't on par with Reggie's peak stats. And please don't try using the KD excuse. Klay's useage in 17 and 19 were both at or higher than Reggie's highest usage. KD wasn't taking shots away from Klay.

Rational objective observers aren't going to focus on awards. Awards are not rational objective observations. They're voted on by emotional and irrational people.

When I say "widely considered" I mean by people that matter.

"The gap between these two is monumental" - subjective

"the cold reality" - rolling my eyes

"likely won't leave him the same" - it's just an ACL bro. not that big of a deal.

Reggie Miller's peak was low. This is why so many people think he's overrated and doesn't belong in the HOF.

Klay has more 40 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.
Klay has more 50 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.
Klay has more 60 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.

Frankly, Klay is a better scorer.

So Klay is a better scorer and a better defender and he's bigger (mass) and stronger and he's already more decorated. I really don't know what else there is to say.

You've convinced me that Reggie actually doesn't have an argument.

Every reasonable stat or metric shows a huge gap between the two both in terms of peak and career. But I'm responding to someone who uses points scored in a game as a metric. Without a doubt the worse argument I've seen made for any player ever. If you have a reasonable argument, make it. But posting completely silly stuff like this does little to help.

Hell even the defensive gap is grossly misleading. Klay is far from an elite defender. We can get into the metrics but frankly it's silly to bother.

Look, this is not going to be decided by us. This will be taken up by people in the future who will see that Klay is more decorated and more accomplished.

It's not going to even be a discussion at that point.

[-TheDocOfDenial]

Klay might make more All-Star games if GSW goes back to winning 60+ games, but I think his days as an all-nba player are done.

He last made NBA 3rd team in 2016. What makes you think he gonna make it now with the likes of luka and trey in the nba now

[Scalabrine]

double post

[Scalabrine]

What does not backing down from Spike Lee have anything to do with him being a better player

Klay is a better defensive player and has put up better shooting numbers on higher volume. Reggie was often a number 1/2 option but to say thats he "carried" the offense is inaccurate. Those Pacers teams were deep and very well-rounded offensively and heavily leaned on their defense.

Reggie is a better assist man and didn't back down from spike lee.

What does not backing down from Spike Lee have anything to do with him being a better player???

Chris Childs didn't back down from Kobe, does that make him better than Chris Paul?

As far as passing goes, Reggie averaged 1 assists more per 100 possessions during his prime over Klay but neither are known at all for their passing. Klay has been a better defender, shooter, and rebounder so that slight edge that Reggie had (could easily be scheme based) is countered with the edges that Klay has there.[

[prolific passer]

What does not backing down from Spike Lee have anything to do with him being a better player

Klay is a better defensive player and has put up better shooting numbers on higher volume. Reggie was often a number 1/2 option but to say thats he "carried" the offense is inaccurate. Those Pacers teams were deep and very well-rounded offensively and heavily leaned on their defense.

Reggie is a better assist man and didn't back down from spike lee.

What does not backing down from Spike Lee have anything to do with him being a better player???

Chris Childs didn't back down from Kobe, does that make him better than Chris Paul?

As far as passing goes, Reggie averaged 1 assists more per 100 possessions during his prime over Klay but neither are known at all for their passing. Klay has been a better defender, shooter, and rebounder so that slight edge that Reggie had (could easily be scheme based) is countered with the edges that Klay has there.[

None of those guys are spike lee.

[RHODEY]

Kay is like Reggie without the Alpha Mindset and Killer instinct.

Yeah but that was Reggie's problem. The killer instinct is fine - you want all three point shooters to dream of being that guy - but he wasn't good enough to have that alpha mindset. That held him back.

Ultimately I think Klay is going to surpass Reggie Miller in the mind of the public. He's only 28 and we're already here.

It sure as hell didn't hold him back here....

Watch on YouTube

Klay may surpass Miller int he minds of the public because Klay is playing now and half the people watching are probably not old enough to remember Reggie playing.

Klay is awesome , I think he may be more physically talented as Reggie but Klay seems content with being a #2 guy, while Reggie lived for the big moment.

[RHODEY]

Kay is like Reggie without the Alpha Mindset and Killer instinct.

So Chris Mullin if given the opportunity? Don't tell me he's worse than that cuz then we're entering Dan Majerhly territory and he's definitely better than that.

Not understanding? Are you asking me if Klay was better than a Prime Mullin? I would say no ...

[RHODEY]

Clearly not everyone. Klay has 32% of the vote at age 28. What will that number look like when he passes Reggie in threes and has twice as many All-Star and All-NBA selections?

Clearly most of the people voting put no effort into the question. Just look at how many people voted vs posted reasonable arguments for or against? Just go through this thread, how many well thought out arguments for Klay.

Here’s Reggie’s problem:

Klay Thompson


Reggie Miller


Any rational, objective observer can look at this and see that Reggie is at a major disadvantage because he’s retired while Klay Thompson just entered his prime.

For me, I’m 100% confident that by the time Klay Thompson retires he will be widely considered a better player than Reggie Miller. I'm not even worried about it.

LOL and how old are you?

[dhsilv2]

When I say "widely considered" I mean by people that matter.

"The gap between these two is monumental" - subjective

"the cold reality" - rolling my eyes

"likely won't leave him the same" - it's just an ACL bro. not that big of a deal.

Reggie Miller's peak was low. This is why so many people think he's overrated and doesn't belong in the HOF.

Klay has more 40 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.
Klay has more 50 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.
Klay has more 60 point games in 8 seasons than Reggie had in 18.

Frankly, Klay is a better scorer.

So Klay is a better scorer and a better defender and he's bigger (mass) and stronger and he's already more decorated. I really don't know what else there is to say.

You've convinced me that Reggie actually doesn't have an argument.

Every reasonable stat or metric shows a huge gap between the two both in terms of peak and career. But I'm responding to someone who uses points scored in a game as a metric. Without a doubt the worse argument I've seen made for any player ever. If you have a reasonable argument, make it. But posting completely silly stuff like this does little to help.

Hell even the defensive gap is grossly misleading. Klay is far from an elite defender. We can get into the metrics but frankly it's silly to bother.

Look, this is not going to be decided by us. This will be taken up by people in the future who will see that Klay is more decorated and more accomplished.

It's not going to even be a discussion at that point.

That's just not how people grade out players today, let alone what it will be in the future when analytics are better and basketball analysis more detailed. Again, we can objectively argue that Reggie has 5-7 seasons better than Klay's peak, a peak that was 5 years ago when he was 24. He's not gotten objectively better and worse yet his defensive metrics don't pass the smell test for the accolades he gets on that end.

Your arguments amount to "some sports writers gave klay some awards". That's not objective nor how people grade players.

[iamworthy]

Reggie Miller for me.